all right we welcome to the show in a
special interview with Mr Elon Musk who
of course is famed Trump advisor CEO of
Tesla SpaceX chair of excorp Elon thank
you for doing this we appreciate it
thanks for having me uh among I want to
begin with among other things everyone's
attacking you for your position what are
you doing in the government um there was
a Cyber attack on X today which shut it
down and may have been far and sourced
it's a big story you want to give us a
moment on that uh well we don't we're
not sure exactly what happened but there
was a massive Cyber attack to try to
bring down the E system uh with the IP
addresses originating in the Ukraine
area oh well so that's your suspicion is
is the website is is the internet up is
is it up yet it's up it's up yet okay
good but I just was looking back let me
see if I get this right they're setting
fire to various uh Tesla charging
stations near
Boston uh shots were fired at a Tesla
dealership uh in
Oregon various nonviolent shots fired
not a metaphor shots fired yes um
downtown New York um marching marching
against the Tesla uh showroom your stock
is way down you've been criticized left
and right but look on the right side I
mean why why are you doing
this on the bright side of life yes I'm
an
optimist but besides besides that yes I
mean how's how's your day what motivates
you to do this was was the opera good
it's tough sledding yeah it is tough
sleding um but I think we're doing the
right thing here uh the you know there's
been a tremendous amount of of waste and
fr in the in the government um you know
when you're part of the government you
you you saw a lot of that and it's and
there there's been uh you know if you
look at the Inspector General reports
and the government accountability office
um th
there have been many audits that have
pointed out uh that there's tremendous
amount of waste and frud in the
government in fact there was a report
issued by by the ga GAO the government
accountability office um last year so
dur during the Biden Administration
which estimated the the federal
government fraud to be uh half a
trillion dollars so just to be clear
that's that's not a trump Administration
thing that's a Biden Administration
thing so what we're trying to do is uh
get that number down to a much smaller
uh figure um save money for the American
taxpayer uh stop money being spent on
things that are that I think very few
taxpayers would agree makes sense uh you
know transgender animal surgeries or why
are we spending why are American tax
dollars being spent on this um and uh
the presidents are gone through a long
list of of of absurd things um why are
the 20 million people who are definitely
dead mocked as alive in the Social
Security
database um why were uh hundreds of
hundreds of millions of dollars of small
business administration loans were given
out to people aged 11 and under
according to according to the Social
Security I mean like these must some
very enterprising eight-year-olds you
know and some pretty strong 150 year
olds yes ex exactly as as president said
uh you know we have an enormous number
of people marked uh as alive who 160 he
didn't know the country was that
healthy yes you know so demystify this
how do you do it okay how big is your
team yeah uh where did you recruit most
of them from and what is it that makes
you choose you know the treasury or so
security or usaid how does it work let
the public know please right well we
just basically uh follow the money uh
you know we look at the president's
executive orders um and and we also just
follow the money so the the we we
started looking closely at usci because
they were completely violating the
president's executive orders uh to
suspend uh foreign foreign aid you know
what what's called foreign aid but in
our view is a lot of corruption um so
what we saw there is just a tremendous
amount of money being sent uh to uh
non-governmental organizations but
actually it's a this by the way is I
think one of the biggest sources of
fraud in the world is government funded
non-governmental organizations this this
is a gigantic fraud loophole uh where
the government can give money to um an
NGO uh and then that that there are no
controls over that NGO so they've given
billions of dollars in fact we estimate
tens of billions of dollars to NOS that
are essentially scams M
um and uh trying to put us stuff to that
you know so I don't want to interrupt
but uh Secretary of State Rubio just
come out I think he tweeted today um he
has accepted over 80% of your
recommendations to shut down in usaid so
your review and Analysis was spot on uh
yes um so I
think when people criticize say what
doge is doing we say well which part
specifically because we put all of the
actions of do of the Doge team on the
doe.gov website um and on the Doge
handle onx so we post the receipts so
it's like this this action has been
taken this action has been taken so
when when we get criticism we say like
of what of what which which line do you
disagree with like which which C which
cut which cost saving do you disagree
with and then people usually can't think
of any no uh you know so it's
transparent line by line it's
transparent line by line which is quite
remarkable right and so and and then
with respect to um the treasury for
example um we we the the two main
recommendations we uh suggested which
have not been implemented was that any
payments going out of the treasury um
especially the treasury's main payment
computer which is called Pam um uh
things like payments account manager or
something like that but it's like almost
5 trillion a year so about a billion an
hour um that the payments uh be coded
with the Congressional appropriation and
that there be an explanation for the
payment very basic stuff um and just
doing that we estimate we'll save $100
billion a year you're not really let me
see if I get this right particularly
with so you're not really changing
policy no we're you're auditing the
fiscal mechanisms to make sure that you
know from point A gets to point B and
that's where it's supposed to get to in
some cases it doesn't get there or some
cases it may go over there but that's it
it's not a policy exercise you're not
changing laws you just doing what any
business would do in a in a in a profit
and loss audit uh I think really um what
what what we're adding here is caring
and competence um and the there's a
massive amount of fraud of of basically
people submitting uh Social Security
numbers for uh Social Security benefits
unemployment small business
administration loans um and uh and and
medical where where those are those are
those are fake Social Security numbers
or or they've stolen somebody else's
social security number and we're try
we're trying to put a stop to all that
um and that that's the number which is
estimated to be on the order of 10% of
federal expenditures which is you know
half a half a trillion dollars a huge
number yeah um you're working with the
agency heads you're working with the
cabinet secretaries yes I saw Howard
lutnick was on TV yesterday saying you
were partnering with them is that fair
uh yeah what we do is in consult
consultation with the cabinet
secretaries and with their departments
so um we're really uh trying to be uh I
sort of will refer to ourselves as as
tech tech support you know we're really
U helping the uh Department uh get a
handle on things
because what actually happens here is
you've got this this sort of vast
Federal bureaucracy
and then you've got a a very thin layer
on top of the of the politically
appointed officials um
and what tends to happen is that the
bureaucracy frankly is in control um and
they largely ignore the the politically
appointed people why should the
bureaucracy I'm sure you must have seen
that I've lived with this twice I worked
for Reagan many years ago and I worked
for Trump in the first term yeah it's
like a permanent bureaucracy I might add
it's a permanently liberal Bureau
bureaucracy yes very much so and it
doesn't it's it's not a bureaucracy that
necessarily enforces or implements
presidential policy they don't in fact
they try their best to uh thwart
presidential policy so the but the
president is the elected representative
of the people and the if the president
cannot get things implemented as a
reflection of the will of the people
then what we have is not a democracy we
have a bureaucracy we have rule of the
bureau not rule of the people and that's
what we're trying to defeat here is uh
the bureaucracy and have rule of the
people um you know
the uh
and as you mentioned the uh the
bureaucracy is overwhelmingly uh
Democrat so uh Washington DC was 92 and
a half% I believe voted for Kamala so
this
overwhelmingly uh a de a deep blue
situation how do you pick your next uh
targeted agency or
Department um well
we're uh we're trying to act broadly
across all departments so it's not just
one department at a time um but uh are
you in all of them now all of them uh
pretty much yeah yes oh um we're trying
to make trying to make the government
more efficient across the board so yeah
how big's your team uh we're a little
over 100 at this point get to 200 you're
going to get to 200 yeah okay and you're
recruiting from
where uh more or less basically it's a
software people you know information
security software people uh and uh
Finance you know it's basically yeah
finance and and and Technology um and uh
I mean frankly I can't believe I'm here
doing this it's kind of bizarre but
I I kind of think that
the you know we've got this enormous
federal budget deficit and it's a it's a
true trillion dollar deficit it keeps
growing
um our interest payments are higher than
our defense department budget that's
that's I think was the real wakeup call
for me was looking at at seeing that the
interest payments on national debt
exceeded the defense department budget
and that was only growing over time
which meant if if we didn't do something
about this uh then there won't be any
money for anything we'll just be
servicing debt and you know how to read
an income statement and you know how to
read a balance sheet you've had some
business experience I'm kidding but you
know about this
stuff yeah I mean really I just don't
want America to go bankrupt so it's a
call to action you're feel you're
hearing a call to
action yeah um you given up your other
stuff I mean what do you how are you
running your other
businesses uh with great
difficulty
um yeah I mean but there's no turning
back you're
saying I'm just here trying to make uh
government more efficient uh eliminate
waste and fraud
and so far we're making good progress
actually so
our uh savings at this point exceeded $4
billion a day mhm so it's it's pretty
significant you think you'll wind up
getting to a trillion dollars yeah of
savings I mean unless someone unless
we're unless we're stopped we we will
get to a trillion dollars of savings and
that stuff can be translated I mean
we've been talking we had Russell vote
the OM director on earlier uh through
very recision Authority empowerment
Authority but I believe you said it
earlier um it's an audit that will not
gather dust on shelves this is actually
going to wind up with real savings bend
the base spending base line down uh yeah
uh there' have been many good audits
like I said done by inspector generals
and by government accountability office
and and they just haven't been
implemented nothing's been done um the
uh you know the I think the GAO
identified there was 17 million dead
people in the Social Security database
several years ago it's now 20 million uh
but not nobody did anything about it
um and I mean I think you can sort of
look at this as a complaint minimization
optimization so so basically if the
government sends money out to whether
it's a waste flow or ful fraudulent
nobody complains if they receive money
but but they do they do complain if they
don't receive money and the people that
complain the loudest are the ones
receiving the the fraudulent money
and you're on it yeah um I mean just
like I said the goal the goal here is
let's not have America go bankrupt uh
with waste and
fraud um so that's what I'm here for and
uh we're making good progress yes you
are um you're going to go another
year yeah I think so I final report
middle of next
year well we're we're just getting
things done as opposed to writing a
report
like say reports don't mean anything you
just you got to actually take action yes
um
so
the I mean the waste Import in in
entitlement spending you know which is
all of the which is most the federal
spending is entitlements um
so that that's that's like the big one
to eliminate because that's the sort of
half trillion maybe six 700 billion a
year um that is also a mechanism by
which the uh Democrats attract and
retain illegal immigrants by essentially
paying them to to come here yes and then
turning them into voters yes so this is
why the Democrats are so upset about the
situation because they're losing you
know if we turn off this gigantic money
magnet uh for illegal immigrants then
they will leave and they'll lose voters
you have President support he said so
again yesterday he completely supps your
operation yeah uh well thanks I but
that's super without the president's
support we couldn't we couldn't make any
progress here um but
um yeah I mean where you'll see the
biggest outcry is from the the Democrats
who are um they don't want the waste and
P to be turned off because it is uh a
gigantic magnet to attract illegal
immigrants and have them stay in the
country um I mean you see some of the
crazy stuff like where money from FEMA
you know which is meant FEMA is an
agency that's meant to take care of
Americans in distress um and a bunch of
their money was being sent to pay for
luxury hotels in New York for illegal
immigrants and and that was happening
even after the president was elected and
even after he signed an executive order
saying that needs to stop so we actually
made sure that that money did stop going
because it's obviously it's outrageous
that American taxpayer money is spent on
luxury hotels for legal
you have to say like why was that being
done it was because the Democrats are
trying to import voters basically
yes I agree yeah and that's also why
there's no voter ID uh in needed in in
fact in California and and New York
State uh you're not allowed to show
voter ID mhm that's a doesn't that seem
insane insane yeah I say that as a New
Yorker it's insane insane and it
violates
the entire Constitution and the
principles behind it yes producers are
yelling at me to get out I don't want to
end this interview because too much fun
yeah can I just ask you one thing 20
seconds um nothing to do with uh nothing
to do with um Doge can you rescue the
astronauts uh yes we're bringing them
back in a few weeks there's not near
enough attention being paid to this
you'll going to get them back we're
going to get them back God bless thank
you thank you for all your service Elon
Musk we appreciate it very much
appreciate it take care thank you
