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伊隆·马斯克的前女友格莱姆斯在将他们 4 岁的儿子带到白宫新闻发布会后发表讲话
Elon Musk's Ex Grimes Speaks Out After He Brings Their Son, 4, to White House Press Conference
作者：CORINNE HELLER 2025 年 2 月 12 日
手指塞进耳朵里之类的，有时很难听清。
观看：伊隆·马斯克的前女友格莱姆斯在将他们 4 岁的儿子带到白宫新闻发布会后发表讲话
格莱姆斯对她儿子最近的公开露面表示沮丧。
在 X Æ A-Xii（或 X）与他的父亲伊隆·马斯克和唐纳德·特朗普总统一起出现在白宫椭圆形办公室记者面前的视频在网上疯传后，这位歌手分享了她的想法。
“他不应该像这样出现在公众面前，”格莱姆斯于 2 月 11 日在 X（前 Twitter）上写道，以回应一位粉丝称赞她的儿子“非常有礼貌”以及她对他的养育方式。 “我没有看到这个，谢谢你提醒我。但我很高兴他很有礼貌。唉。”
E！新闻联系了马斯克的代表，请他对格莱姆斯的言论发表评论，但尚未收到回复。
这对前情侣——在约会四年后于 2022 年分手——自 2023 年 10 月格莱姆斯向这位亿万富翁提起诉讼，要求确立父母权利以来，一直因 X 和他们的小孩子 Exa Dark Sideræl（3 岁）和 Techno Mechanicus（2 岁）陷入法律纠纷。
这位 12 个孩子的父亲是特朗普的高级顾问之一，他带着他和格莱姆斯的大儿子来到白宫，与特朗普一起向记者介绍他新成立的政府效率部 (DOGE) 团队缩减联邦劳动力的计划。总统对此赞不绝口。
“这是 X，他是个很棒的人——智商很高，”他在活动开始时说道，“智商很高的人。”
在新闻发布会上，马斯克站在 X 的一侧讲话，X 偶尔会靠近坐在办公桌旁的特朗普。Space X 首席执行官的儿子一度抠鼻屎，偶尔在他父亲讲话时自己说话，还会对总统低声耳语。
马斯克把手放在儿子的头和肩膀上，然后大笑起来，他对记者说：“对不起，我告诉你，有时保持庄重很难。”
伊隆·马斯克，儿子，X，唐纳德·特朗普，2025JIM WATSON/AFP via Getty Images
X 有时也会坐在地板上，紧紧抓住马斯克的腿，直到他爸爸把他抱起来扛在肩上。他爸爸承认，这次外出对这个 4 岁的孩子来说可能有点过分。
伊隆·马斯克，儿子，X，唐纳德·特朗普，2025Andrew Harnik/Getty Images
“对不起，”马斯克说。“我以为我儿子可能会喜欢这个，但他把手指伸进我的耳朵里，所以有时很难听到。嘿！别这样。”
继续阅读以了解有关马斯克家谱的更多信息……
梅耶·马斯克（妈妈）
梅耶出生于加拿大萨斯喀彻温省，1950 年，7 岁时随父母移民到南非比勒陀利亚。她和埃隆的父亲埃罗尔·马斯克于 1979 年分手。
埃隆 17 岁移居加拿大后，梅耶凭借出生权获得了加拿大公民身份并移居那里。在那里，她建立了营养师诊所，并成为加拿大咨询营养师协会主席。她还做过模特。
2019 年，埃隆以 3 亿多美元的价格出售了他的公司 Zip2，他为母亲在纽约市买了一套公寓，她在那里住了 13 年，签约 IMG 模特经纪公司后继??续了模特生涯。
“我养育孩子的方式就像我父母养育我们小时候的方式一样：要独立、善良、诚实、体贴和礼貌，”梅耶在 CNBC 的一篇文章中写道。“我教会他们努力工作和做好事的重要性。”
埃罗尔·马斯克（父亲）
埃隆的父亲是一名工程师，和埃隆一样，出生于南非。尽管埃罗尔在 2015 年《福布斯》的一次采访中表示，他经常带孩子出国旅行——“他们的母亲和我分手时，孩子们和我在一起。我带着他们走遍了世界各地。”——但他与埃隆的关系并不完美。
在 2017 年《滚石》杂志的一次感人采访中，埃隆批评了他的父亲，并谈到了他的成长经历，他说父母分手后，他搬去和父亲住在一起，他说“这不是一个好主意”。
然而，埃罗尔告诉《滚石》杂志，“我爱我的孩子，愿意为他们做任何事情。”
与梅耶离婚后，埃罗尔与海德结婚，当时海德的女儿贾娜·贝祖登豪特 (Jana Bezuidenhout) 4 岁。埃罗尔和海德后来生了两个女儿，后来也分手了。
多年后，贾娜在与埃罗尔分手后向她求助。“我们都是孤独、迷茫的人，”埃罗尔在 2018 年接受《星期日泰晤士报》采访时解释道。“一件事引出了另一件事——你可以称之为上帝的计划或自然的计划。”
无论如何，两人变得浪漫起来，并于 2017 年迎来了儿子埃利奥特 (Elliott)，然后在 20 年迎来了一个女婴19. 埃罗尔在接受《太阳报》采访时表示：“我们来到这个世界上的唯一目的就是繁衍后代。如果我可以再生一个孩子，我一定会生下来。我看不出有什么理由不生。”
Elon Musk's Ex Grimes Speaks Out After He Brings Their Son, 4, to White House Press Conference
Grimes criticized her ex Elon Musk after he brought their son X Æ A-Xii to a press conference with President Donald Trump at the White House Oval Office.
Grimes is expressing frustration over her son’s latest public appearance.
After videos of X Æ A-Xii, or X, appearing in front of reporters with his dad Elon Musk and President Donald Trump in the White House Oval Office went viral, the singer shared her thoughts.
"He should not be in public like this," Grimes wrote about the 4-year-old Feb. 11 on X, formerly Twitter, in response to a fan praising her son for being "very polite" and her over her parenting of him. "I did not see this, thank u for alerting me. But I'm glad he was polite. Sigh."
E! News has reached out to Musk's rep for comment about Grimes' remarks and has not heard back.
The former couple—who split in 2022 after four years of dating—has been locked in a legal dispute over X and their younger children Exa Dark Sideræl, 3, and Techno Mechanicus, 2, since October 2023, when Grimes filed a petition against the billionaire to establish parental rights.
The father of 12, one of Trump's top advisers, had brought his and Grimes' eldest son along to the White House to appear with him while speaking to reporters about his newly created Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) team's plans to shrink the federal workforce. And the president had glowing words.
"This is X, and he's a great guy—high IQ," he said at the beginning of the event, "high-IQ individual."
During the press conference, Musk spoke while standing on one side of X, who occasionally inched neared to Trump, sitting at his desk. The Space X CEO's son at one point picked his nose, and occasionally spoke himself while his dad was talking and also whispered at the president.
Putting his hands on his son's head and shoulders and then bursting out laughing, Musk told reporters, "Sorry, I tell you, gravitas can be difficult sometimes."
JIM WATSON/AFP via Getty ImagesX also sat on the floor at times and latched onto Musk's leg until his dad picked him up and carried him on his shoulders. And his dad admitted that the outing may have been a bit much for the 4-year-old.
Andrew Harnik/Getty Images"Sorry for this," Musk said. "I thought my son might enjoy this, but as he's sticking his fingers in my ears and stuff, so it's been hard to hear sometimes. Hey! Stop that."
Read on to find out more about Musk's family tree...
Maye Musk (Mom)
Maye was born in Saskatchewan, Canada and emigrated with her parents to Pretoria, South Africa in 1950, when she was 7. She and Elon's father, Errol Musk, split in 1979.
After Elon moved to Canada at age 17, Maye obtained Canadian citizenship by birthright and moved there too. There, she established a dietician practice and became President of the Consulting Dieticians of Canada. She also worked as a model.
In 2019, after Elon sold his company Zip2 for more than $300 million, he bought his mom an apartment in New York City, where she lived for 13 years and continued her modeling career after being signed to the IMG Models agency.
"I brought my children up like my parents brought us up when we were young: to be independent, kind, honest, considerate and polite," Maye wrote in an essay for CNBC. "I taught them the importance of working hard and doing good things."
D
Errol Musk (Dad)
Elon's father is an engineer and like Elon, was born in South Africa. Though Errol said in a 2015 Forbes interview that he used to often take his kids on trips overseas—"Their mother and I split up when they were quite young and the kids stayed with me. I took them all over the world."—his relationship with Elon isn't picture perfect.
In an emotional 2017 Rolling Stone interview, Elon criticized his father and talked about his upbringing, saying that after his parents split, he moved in with his dad, which, he said, "was not a good idea."
However, Errol told Rolling Stone, "I love my children and would readily do whatever for them."
Following his divorce from Maye, Errol married Heide, whose daughter Jana Bezuidenhout was 4 years old at the time. Errol and Heide went on to have two daughters together before they, too, broke up.
Years later, Jana reached out to Errol following a breakup of her own. "We were lonely, lost people," Errol explained in a 2018 interview with The Sunday Times. "One thing led to another—you can call it God's plan or nature's plan."
Either way, the duo became romantic and welcomed son Elliott in 2017 and then a baby girl in 2019. As Errol put it to The Sun, "The only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce. If I could have another child I would. I can't see any reason not to."
特朗普总统和埃隆·马斯克在椭圆形办公室：完整讲话
彭博播客 2025 年 2 月 11 日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAuTb-yMNk4
据白宫官员称，唐纳德·特朗普总统指示各机构配合埃隆·马斯克的政府削减成本计划，以削减员工数量，这是他削减联邦官僚机构的最新举措。
据彭博新闻周二早些时候看到的白宫情况说明书称，特朗普的行动命令各机构负责人与马斯克的政府效率部协调，“大幅缩减政府规模”并“将招聘限制在关键职位”。
该文件称，每四名离开政府的员工中，各机构最多只能雇用一名员工。执法、国家安全、移民和公共安全角色将例外。目前尚不清楚 DOGE（白宫内部的一个办公室）是否有权实施大规模解雇。
周二，马斯克罕见地与特朗普一同出现在椭圆形办公室，为他的做法辩护。他的这种做法包括让年轻员工在各个机构之间穿梭，获取敏感的计算机系统和员工数据，在某些情况下还关闭办公室并让员工休假——所有这些都是为了缩小政府规模。
这位亿万富翁实业家在没有提供证据的情况下表示，财政部系统缺乏“基本控制”，包括防止资金流向“拒付名单”上的实体的措施。
马斯克说：“这就像从大楼里飞出大量空白支票。”
特朗普声称，DOGE 发现了“数十亿美元的浪费、欺诈和滥用”，但同样没有得到证实。
Trump
X 你还好吗 这是 X 他是个很棒的人 智商很高 他是个高智商的人 他有这个 我有这个 很酷的火车已经开走了 所以非常感谢 我们今天很忙 国王刚刚离开 我们进行了一次很棒的讨论 关于加沙和其他一切的讨论 我们还讨论了
星期六 12:00 这将是一个重要时刻 我们会看到会发生什么 我并不指望这些人会发生什么 但我们会看看会发生什么 今天我们将签署一项非常重要的协议 这是 Doge 我要请 Elon 告诉你一些关于它的事情 我们发现的一些事情 令人震惊的是 数十亿美元的浪费 欺诈和滥用 我认为这非常重要 这也是我当选的原因之一 我说我们要这样做 没有人知道它是如此糟糕 如此病态 如此腐败似乎很难相信法官会试图阻止我们寻找腐败，尤其是当我们在短短的时间内发现了价值远超这一数亿美元的腐败时，我们想清除腐败，似乎很难相信法官会说，我们不希望你这样做，所以也许我们必须看看法官，因为这是非常严重的，我认为这是非常严重的违法行为，我会请埃隆·马斯克说几句话，我们会回答一些问题，埃隆，请继续
Elon Mask
当然，所以在高层，你说总督的目标是什么，或者和我认为这个总统任期的一个重要部分是恢复民主，这似乎看起来好像我们处于民主之中，如果你没有反馈，好吧，我们必须，如果你，如果你抱歉告诉你，有时 gravatas 可能很难，嗯，所以如果如果人民和政府之间没有一个好的反馈循环，如果你有规则如果官僚机构掌权，那么民主实际上有什么意义，如果人民不能投票，他们的意愿由他们选举的代表决定，即总统、参议院和众议院，那么我们就不是生活在民主国家，而是生活在官僚机构中，因此，关闭反馈小组、修复反馈循环非常重要，公众选举的代表，总统、众议院和参议院决定会发生什么，而不是一个庞大的非选举官僚机构，这并不是说联邦官僚机构中没有好人，但你不能有一个自治的联邦官僚机构，你必须有一个对人民负责的官僚机构，这是民主的全部意义，所以，如果你看看这个，如果你问今天的创始人，你觉得事情的结果如何，我们有这个非选举的，第四个违宪的政府部门，也就是官僚机构在很多方面，它目前比任何民选代表都更有权力，这不是人民想要的，它不符合人民的意愿，所以这是我们必须要解决的问题，我们还必须解决赤字问题，所以我们有 2 美元巨额赤字，如果我们不采取措施解决这个赤字国家，那么这个国家就会破产，我的意思是，仅国家债务的利息支出就超过国防部的预算，这真是令人震惊，因为我们在国防上花了很多钱，但如果这种情况持续下去，我们基本上会破产，所以我真正想说的是，我们别无选择，必须减少联邦开支，美国必须保持偿付能力，美国必须拥有必要的资源为其公民提供生活用品，而不仅仅是偿还巨额债务，您能否提到您的团队发现的一些疯狂数字，包括那个带走约 3000 万美元的女人，对吧，等等，我们都觉得这有点奇怪，嗯，你知道，在官僚机构中有不少人表面上几百美元的薪水，但他们在那个职位上却以某种方式设法获得了数千万美元的净资产，你知道美国国际开发署发生了什么事吗？我们只是好奇这些钱是从哪里来的，嗯，他们非常擅长投资，在这种情况下，我们应该听取他们的投资建议，嗯，但他们似乎神秘地变得富有，我们不知道为什么，这些钱是从哪里来的，嗯，我认为现实是，他们不惜一切代价致富，这就是事实，所以你知道，我们正在看嗯，嗯，我们只是如果你看看比如说财政部，嗯，任何公司都应该有的基本控制，比如确保任何给定的付款都有一个付款分类代码，有一个描述付款的注释字段，嗯，如果一笔付款在“不付款”名单上，你实际上不会支付它，这些都没有目前情况确实如此，所以部门无法传递命令的原因是因为付款没有分类代码，就像大量空白支票从大楼里飞出来一样，所以你无法核对空白支票，嗯，你的注释字段也是空白的，你不知道为什么要付款，嗯，然后我们就得到了一个真正荒谬的拒绝付款名单，一个组织可能需要一年的时间才能进入拒绝付款名单，嗯，我们谈论的是恐怖组织，我们谈论的是呃已知的欺诈者，已知的浪费方面，已知的与国会拨款不符的事情，可能需要一年的时间才能进入名单，即使上了名单，名单也没有使用，这令人难以置信，所以我们在这里谈论的其实只是在谈论添加应该存在的常识控制，呃，但这些还没有出现，所以他们说，好吧，这样的事情怎么会发生，这看起来很疯狂，当你明白这一切的时候旨在减少投诉，这样你就能理解动机了，如果人们收到了钱，他们显然不会抱怨，但是如果人们没有收到钱，他们就会抱怨，而骗子会抱怨得最响亮，最快，所以当你理解了这一点，那么它就说得通了，这就是为什么他们批准国库的所有付款，因为如果你批准了所有的付款，你就不会收到投诉，但现在我们要说的是，实际上我们都会抱怨，如果钱花得不好，如果纳税人的钱没有以明智和节俭的方式花，那就不行，你的税款需要明智地花在对人民重要的事情上，我的意思是这些事情，就像常识一样，这不是严苛的或激进的，我认为这只是说让我们看看这些支出中的每一个，说这是否真的符合人民的最佳利益，如果是，那就批准了，如果如果不是，我们应该考虑一下，嗯，你知道有些疯狂的事情，比如对社会保障进行粗略的检查，我们让 150 岁的人进去，你知道有谁是 150 岁吗？我不知道，他们应该被列入吉尼斯世界纪录，他们是明明的，嗯，所以你知道，在这种情况下，我认为他们可能已经死了，这是我的猜测，或者他们应该非常有名，两者之一，然后一大堆社会保障金，没有身份识别信息，为什么没有身份识别信息。嗯，显然你想让我们确保那些应该得到社会保障的人确实得到了它，而且他们迅速而准确地得到了它，嗯，我还有另一件疯狂的事情，你知道其中一件事，就像我们正在试图对联邦官僚机构进行适当的规模调整，只是确保这显然需要那里的需要
President Trump & Elon Musk in the Oval Office: Full Remarks
Bloomberg Podcasts 2025年2月11日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAuTb-yMNk4
President Donald Trump directed agencies to work with Elon Musk’s government cost-cutting effort to slash their workforces, according to a White House official, his latest move to gut the federal bureaucracy.
Trump’s action orders agency heads to coordinate with Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency to “significantly reduce the size of the government” and “limit hiring to essential positions,” according to a White House fact sheet seen earlier Tuesday by Bloomberg News.
Agencies will be permitted to hire no more than one employee for every four workers leaving the government, the document said. Exceptions will be made for law enforcement, national security, immigration and public safety roles. It’s unclear if DOGE — an office within the White House — has the authority to enact mass dismissals.
Musk on Tuesday made a rare appearance in the Oval Office alongside Trump to defend his approach, which has involved young staffers fanning across agencies, obtaining access to sensitive computer systems and employee data, and in some cases shuttering offices and placing workers on leave — all in an effort to reduce the size of government.
The billionaire industrialist said without providing evidence that Treasury Department systems lacked “basic controls,” including measures preventing money going to entities on a “do-not-pay list.”
“It’s like just a massive number of blank checks just flying out of the building,” Musk said.
Trump asserted DOGE had uncovered “billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse,” again without substantiation.
Trump
X are you okay this is this is X and he's a great guy high IQ he's a high IQ
individual and he's got this i got this cool train is gone so thank you very much we had a busy day today the king just left and we uh we've had a great discussion terrific discussion concerning Gaza and everything else uh we had uh discussions also about
Saturday at 12:00 it's going to be a big moment we'll see what happens I don't expect
much happening with these people but we'll see what happens and we're going to be signing a very important uh deal today it's Doge and I'm going to ask Elon to tell you a little bit about it and some of the things that we found which is shocking billions and billions of dollars in waste Fraud and Abuse and uh I think it's very important and that's one of the reasons I got elected I said we're going to do that nobody had any idea it was that bad that sick and that corrupt and it seems hard to believe that judges want to try and stop us from looking for corruption especially when we found hundreds of millions of dollars worth much more than that in just a short period of time we want to weed out the corruption and it seems hard to believe that a judge could say uh we don't want you to do that well so maybe we have to look at the judges because that's a very serious I think it's a very serious violation uh I'll ask Elon Musk to say a few words and uh we'll take some questions Elon go ahead
Mask
sure so the uh at at a high level you say what is the goal of Doge or or and and I think a significant part of this presidency is to restore uh democracy this may seem seem
like well are we in a democracy well if you don't have a feedback gr okay we would have to if you if you sorry tell you gravatas can be difficult sometimes um so uh if if if there's not a good feedback loop from the people to to the government and if if you have
rule of the the bureaucrat if the bureaucracy is in charge and then then
what meaning does democracy actually have if the people cannot vote and have their will be decided by their elected representatives in the in the form of the president and and the Senate and the house then we don't live in a democracy we live in a bureaucracy so it's incredibly important that we close that feedback group we fix that feedback loop and that the public uh the Public's elected representatives the president the house and the Senate decide what happens as opposed to a large unelected bureaucracy this is not
to say that there aren't some good there are good people who who uh are in the federal bureaucracy but but you can't
have an autonomous Federal bureaucracy you have to have one that is responsive to the people that's the whole point of
a democracy um and so um and if if you looked at this if you asked looked at
the founders today and said what do you think of the way things have turned out well we have this
unelected uh fourth unconstitutional branch of of government which which is the bureaucracy which has in a lot of
ways currently more power than any elected representative and this is uh this is
not something the people want um and it's it's it's not it does not match the
will of people so it's just something we've got to we've got to fix and we've also got to address the the deficit so
we've got a $2 trillion deficit and if this if we don't do something about this
deficit country is going bankrupt I mean it's it's really astounding that the uh
the interest payments alone on the national debt exceed the defense department budget which is shocking
because we've got a lot we spend a lot of money on defense but and and if that just keeps going
we're essentially going to bankrupt the country so what what I really want to say is like it's not optional for us to
S to reduce the federal expenses it's essential it's essential for America to
remain solvent as a country and it's essential for America to have the resources necessary to provide things to
its citizens and not simply be servicing vast amounts of debt and also could you mention some of
the things that your team has found some of the crazy number numbers including the woman that walked away with about 30
million right Etc well we we we all we do find it sort of rather odd that um
you know there there are quite a few uh people in in um in the bureaucracy who
who have a ostensibly a salary of a few hundred, but somehow managed to acrw
tens of millions of dollars in net worth uh while they are in that position which is you know what what happened at usaid
we're just curious as to where it came from um they very good at investing they which case we should take their
investment advice perhaps um but uh just they seems to be mysteriously they they
get wealthy we're don't why where does it come from um and uh I think the
reality is that they're getting wealthy at tach be expense that's that's the that's the honest truth of it so uh you
know we we're looking at um say uh well we just if you look at say say treasury
for example um basic control that should be in place uh that are in place in in
any company uh such as making sure that any given payment has a payment categorization code that there is a
comment field that describes the payment um and that if it if a payment is on the do not pay list that you don't actually
pay it none of those things are true currently so the reason that departments
can't pass ords is because the payments don't have a categorization code it's like just a massive number of blank
checks just flying out the building so you can't reconcile blank checks um you've got comment fields that are
also blanks you don't know why the payment was made um and then we've got this a truly absurd a do not pay list
which can take up to a year for an organization to get on a du on pay list um and and this we're talking about
terrorist organizations we're talking about uh known fraudsters known aspects of waste known things that do not match
any Congressional appropriation can take up to a year to get on the list and even once on the list the list is not used
it's mindblowing so so what we're talking here we're really just talking about
adding Common Sense controls that should be present uh that that haven't been
present so they say like well how could such a thing arise that's that seems that seems crazy that when you
understand that that really everything is geared towards complaint minimization so that that then you
understand the motivations so if people receive money they don't complain obviously um but if people don't receive
money they do complain and and the frauds do complain the loudest and of the fastest
so uh then when you understand that then then it makes sense oh that's why everything just they approve all the
payments at treasury because if you approve all the payments you don't you don't get
complaints but now now we're saying that no actually we we all going to complain if if money is spent badly if the if
your taxpayer dollars are not spent in a sensible and Frugal manner then that's not
okay your your tax dollars need to be spent wisely on things that matter to the
people I mean these things like it's just common sense it's not it's it's not Draconian or radical I
think it's it's really just saying let's look at each each of these expeditures and say is this actually in the best
interest of the people and if it is it's approved if if it's not we should think about it so um you know there's crazy things
like just cursy examination of Social Security and we got people in there that are 150 years old now do you know anyone
is 150 I don't okay um they should be on the Guinness Book of World Records they're Ming out um so you know that's a
case where like I think they're probably dead it's my guess or or they should be very famous one of the two um and then
that a whole bunch of Social Security payments where there's no identifi identifying information well why is there no identifying information
um obviously you want to make we want to make sure that people who deserve uh to receive Social Security do receive it um
and that they receive it quickly and accurately um I'll another crazy thing so you know one of the things is like
we're are trying to sort of right size the the federal bureaucracy just make sure that this
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obviously need there need to be a lot of people working for the
federal government but not as many as currently so we're saying well okay well let's if if people can retire you know
with full benef benefits and everything that that would be good they can retire get their retirement payments everything
and then we were told this is actually I think a great anecdote because we're told no the the most number of people that could retire possibly in a month is
10,000 we're like well why why why is that well because all the the all the
retirement paperwork is manual on paper it's manually calculated then written down on a piece of paper then it goes
down a mine and like what do you mean a mine like yeah there's a limestone mine where we stole all the retirement
paperwork that look and you look a picture at a picture of this mine we'll post some pictures afterwards um and this this
mine looks like something out of the 50s because it was started in 1955 so it looks like it's like a Time
Warp and then the speed then the limiting factor is the speed at which the mine shaft elevator can move
determines how many people can retire from the federal federal government and the elevator breaks down
sometimes and then you can't nobody can retire doesn't that sound crazy there's
like a thousand people that work on this so I think if we can take those people and say like you know what instead of
working in in a m shaft and uh carrying manila envelopes to you know boxes in a
m shaft you could do practically anything else and you you would add to the the goods and services of the United
States um in a more useful way so anyway so I think you know that's an
example at like at a high level if you say like how do we increase inre Prosperity is we get people to do to to to shift from roles that are low to
negative productivity to high productivity roles and so you increase the total output of goods and services
which means that that there's a higher standard of living available for everyone that's that's the actual
goal everyone's very quiet by the way quiet your your detractors Mr mus I
have what including a lot of Democrats I have detractors you do sir I don't believe it that you're orchestrating a
hostile takeover of government and doing it in a non-transparent way what's your response to that criticism well first of
all uh you couldn't ask for a stronger mandate from from the public uh the
public voted uh you we to have a majority of the public vote voting for
president Trump uh we won the house we won the Senate um the people voted for
major govern reform there should be no doubt about that that was on the campaign the president spoke about that
at every rally the people voted for for major government reform and that's what people are going to get they're going to
get what they voted for and and a lot of times that you know people that don't get what they voted for but in this
presidency they are going to get what they voted for and that's what democracy is all
about Mr musk the White House says that you will identify and excuse yourself from any conflicts of interests that you
may may have does that mean that you are in effect policing yourself what are the checks and balances that are in place to
ensure that there is accountability and transparency no well we we actually are trying to be as transparent as possible
in fact our actions WE Post our actions to the the Doge handle uh onx um and to
the Doge website so all of our actions we are are maximally transparent in fact I don't think there's been I I don't
know of a case where where an organization has been more transparent than the Doge organization
um and and so you know and the kind of things we're doing are I think very very
simple and basic they're they're not we're you know what I mentioned BR for example about treasury just making sure
that that payments that go out taxpayer money that goes out is C categorized correctly that the that the the payment
is explained that organizations on the do not pay list which are takes a lot to get there actually are not paid which
currently they are paid these These are these are not individual judgment decisions these about Simply Having
sensible checks and balances in the system itself to ensure that taxpayer money is spent well so it's got nothing
to do with like say a contract for some company of fine at all but if there is a conflict of interest when it comes to
you yourself for instance you've received billions of dollars and federal contracts when it comes to the Pentagon
for instance uh which the president I know has directed you to look into are you policing yourself in that is there
any sort of accountability check and balance in place that would provide any transparency for the American people
well all of our actions are are fully public so if you see anything you say like wait a second hey you that does
that seems like maybe that's you know there's a conflict there it's s like
people are going to be shy about saying that they'll say it immediately you know including you yourself yes but it's it
transparency is what builds trust not simply somebody asserting trust so not somebody saying they're trustworthy but
transparency so you can see everything that's going on and then you can see am I doing something that benefit that's one of my companies or not it's totally
obvious and if we thought that we would not let him do that segment or look in
that area if we thought there was a uh lack of transparency or a conflict of interest and uh we watched that also is
a big businessman he's a successful guy that's why we want him doing this we don't want a an unsuccessful guy doing
this now one thing also that uh Elon hasn't really mentioned are the groups
of people that are getting some of these payments they're ridiculous and we're talking about billions of dollars that
we've already found we found Fraud and Abuse uh I would say those two words as
opposed to the third word that I usually use but in this case Fraud and Abuse
it's abusive because most of these things are virtually made up or
certainly money shouldn't be sent to them and you know what I'm talking about it's crazy so uh but we're talking about
uh tens of billions of dollars that we've already found and now a judge who's an activist judge uh wants to try
and stop us from doing this why why would they want to do that I campaigned on this I campaigned on the fact that I
said government is corrupt and it is very corrupt it's very very uh it's also
foolish as an example a man has a contract for three months and the
contract ends but they keep paying them for the next 20 years you know because nobody ends the contract you get a lot of that you have a contract that's a
three a three-month contract now normally if you're in a small it's in in all fairness it's the size of this thing
is so big yeah but if you have a contract and you're in a regular business you end the contract in three
months you know it's a consultant here's a contract for three months but it goes on for 20
years and the guy doesn't say that he got money for 20 years you know they don't say it they just keep getting
checks month after month and you have various things like that and even much wor wor than that actually much worse
and I guess you call that incompetence maybe it could be corruption it could be a deals made on both sides you know
where you got get some money he kicks I think he has a lot of Kickback here I see a lot of Kickback here there's a lot
of Kickbacks a tremendous Kickback because nobody could be so stupid to give out some of these contracts so he has to get a kickback so uh that's what
I got elected for that and borders and Military and a lot of things but this is
a big part of it and I hope that the court system is going to allow us to do
what we have to do we got elected to to among other things find all of this fraud abuse all of this this horrible
stuff going on and we've already found billions of dollars not like a little bit billions many billions of
dollars and when you get down to it it's going to be probably close to a trillion
dollars it could be close to a trillion dollars that we're going to find that will have quite an impact on the budget
uh and and you'll go to a judge where they handpick a judge and he has certain leanings I'm not knocking anybody for
that but he has certain leanings and he wants us to stop looking how do you stop looking I mean
we've already found it we have a case in New York where a hotel has paid $59
million 59 million because of because it's housing migrants illegal migrants
all illegal I believe and and they were being paid tce the normal room rate at 100% occupancy unbelievable so it's a i
a question if I may sort of just um going for the president's comments U at at a
at a higher level say well what how exact how do what what are the two ingredients
that are really necessary in order to cut the budget deficit in half from 2 trillion to 1 trillion and it's really
two things competence and caring and if you add competence and caring you'll cut
the budget deficit in half and and and I fully expect to be scrutinized and get
you know a daily proctology exam basically um my soldiers camp out there um so it's not like I think I can get
away with something I'll be scrutinized non-stop um and uh but with support of the president we can we can cut the
budget deficit in half from 2 trillion to one um and then with uh deregulation
because there's a lot of sort of uh regulations that don't ultimately serve the public good uh we need to free free
the Builders of America to build and if we do that that means I think we can get
the economic growth to be maybe 3 4% maybe 5% um and that means if you can
get a trillion dollars of economic growth and you can cut the the budget deficit by a trillion between now and next year there
is no inflation there's no inflation in 26 and if the government is not
borrowing as much it means that interest costs decline so everyone's the mortgage the car payment their credit card bills
anything their student debt the the monthly payments drop that's a fantastic
scenario for the average American I mean imagine they're going down the grocery roale and the prices
from one year to the next are the same and they're and they their you know
their mortgage all their debt payments dropped how great is that for the average
American we had we had no idea we were going to find this much and it's open
it's it's not like complicated it's complicated it's it's a lot of work we can't believe it a lot of work a lot of
smart people involved very very smart people but uh it's you're talking about anywhere maybe 500 billion it's
crazy the kind of numbers you're talking about you know normally when you're looking at something you'll find you
looking for one out of a 100 here you're almost reversing it you look for one that's good yeah and you can look at the
title and you say why are we doing this why are we doing that and the public gets it you know the public gets it
you've seen the polls the public is saying why are we paying all this money this for years this has gone
on yeah go ahead wait go ahead uh Senator ran Paul today said that Doge Cuts will ultimately need a vote in
Congress do you agree with that is that the plan I really don't know I I know this we're finding tremendous fraud and
tremendous abuse if I need a vote of Congress to find abuse it be it's fine
with me I think we'll get the vote although there'll be some people that wouldn't vote and how could a judge want
to hold us back from finding all of this fraud and finding all of this
incompetence why would that happen why would even Congress want to do that now Congress if if we do need a vote I think
we'd get a very easy vote because we have a track record now we've already found billions of dollars of abuse
incompetence and Corruption a lot of corruption judge does block one of your
policies part of your agenda will you abide by that ruling will you comply I always abide by the courts and then I'll
have to appeal it but then what he's done is he slowed down the momentum and it gives crooked people more time to
cover up the books you know if a person's crooked and they get caught other people see that and all of a
sudden it becomes hotter later on so yeah the answer is I always abide by the
courts always abide by him and will appeal on but appeals take a long time
and I would hope that a judge if you go into a judge and you show him here's a corrupt situation we have a check to be
sent but we found it to be corrupt do you want us to send this corrupt check to a person or do you want us not to
give it and give it back to the taxpayer I would hope a judge would say don't send it give it back to the taxpayer
yeah if I can add to that what we're finding is that a bunch of the fraud is not even going to Americans so I think
we can all agree that if there's going to be fraud it should at least go to Americans uh but a bunch of the fraud rings that are operating in the United
States and taking advantage of the federal government especially in the entitlements programs are actually foreign FR rings they're operating in
other countries and actually exporting money to other countries we should stop that Mr M and
this is big big numbers talk about1 to $200 billion a year sure serious Muny U Mr MK you said on X that an example of
the fraud uh that you have cited was $50 million of condoms was sent to Gaza but
after fact check this it apparently Gaza in mosm Beque and the program was to
protect them against HIV so can you correct this statement it wasn't sent to Hamas actually it was sent to mozek
which makes sense why condoms was sent there and how can make we make sure that all the statements that you said were uh
correct so we can trust what you say well first of all uh some of the things that I say will be incorrect and and
should be corrected so nobody's going to b a thousand I mean any you know we will make mistakes but we'll act quickly to
correct any mistakes um so uh you know if if the I'm not sure we should be
sending $50 million with econom to anywhere uh frankly I'm not sure that's something Americans would be really
excited about um and that that is really an enormous number of condoms you think about it um but uh you know if it if it
went to Moos and said of Goa I'm like okay that's not as bad but still you know why are we doing that much can you
talk a little bit about how closely you're working with agency heads as you're directing these Cuts do they have
the how much input do agency heads have when you're making these decisions uh yeah we work closely with the agency
heads um and um yeah so so there there is there are sort of checks in place so
it's not us just going in and doing things willy-nilly it's it's in uh uh partnership with the agency heads and uh
and I check prly with the president to make sure that you know these this this is what the president wants to have happen so um you we talk almost every
day and I I you know I I double check things to make sure is this something Mr
President if you want us to do this we'll we'll then we'll do it USA usaid has been one of your main targets are
you concerned at all that some of the cuts or that shutting that agency altoe may lead to diseases or other bigger
problems starting in other countries that then come to to the United States yeah so that's that's an interesting example so that's something where we
work closely with the state po uh and SEC Rubio um and we have for example uh turned on funding for Ebola
prevention uh and for HIV PR prevention uh left that you said yes correct um and
and and we are we are moving fast so we all make mistakes but we'll also fixed the mistakes very quickly so you see
that's a worthy cause usaid I I think that there's some worthy things but but overall if you say what
was the bang for the bunk I would say it's it was not very good um and there was part too much of what US was doing
was influencing influencing elections in ways that I think were dubious and do
not stand at the light of day I just have to follow up to the uh the Pentagon contracts if you have received billions
of dollars in contracts from the Pentagon and the president's directing you to look into the Department of
Defense is that are going to do at the president's request does that present a conflict of interest for you uh no
because you'd have to look at the individual contract and say first of all I'm not the one you know fing the
contract it's people at SpaceX or something will be putting for the contract and I'd like to say if if you see any contract where the the where it
was watered to SpaceX and it wasn't by far the best value for money for the taxpayer let me know because every one
of them was the president said the other day that you might look at treasuries
could you explain that a little bit what kind of fraud or and that question goes to both of you what kind of fraud are
you expecting to see or do you see right now in US treasuries yeah I I think you mean the treasury
Department as opposed to treasury bulls or um you also referenced treasuries on Air Force One the other night well the
as I mentioned earlier really the the first order of business is to make sure we're actually collecting sorry for this
I thought my son might might enjoy this but it's he's sticking his fingers in my ears and stuff um um so it's been hard
to hear sometimes hey stop that um so um
no the stuff we're doing with with treasure department is so basic um that you can't believe it doesn't exist
already so so so for example like I mentioned just making sure that that
when a payment goes out it has to have a payment categorization code like what type of payment is this um you can't
just leave the field blank currently many payments the field is left blank and you have to describe what's the
payment for some basic rationalization that also is left blank so this is why you know the Pentagon when's the last
time the Pentagon passed an ordered I mean that decade ago maybe or ever really um and we want to just in order
to actually pass audits you have to have financial information that allows you to trace the payments um so uh you know and
and once in a while the the treasury has to has to pause payments um if it thinks
the payment is going to a fraudulent organization like if if if a if a company or
organization is on a do not pay list we should not pay it I'm sure you would agree like if it's quite hard to get on
that payment do no pay list it means that this is someone that is it's like
dead people terrorists uh known fraudsters uh that kind of thing we
should not pay them but currently we do which is crazy we should stop that many
transactions and by the way hundreds thousands of transactions like that you know we have a big team and for the sake of the country I hope that the person that's in charge and the other people that report to me that are in charge are allowed to do the right thing namely make sure everything's
honest legitimate and competent but we're looking at just uh when you look
at us Aid that was that's one we're going to look at the military we're going to look at education they're much
bigger areas but the US Aid is really corrupt I'll tell you it's corrupt it's
incomp competent and it's really corrupt and I can't imagine a judge saying well it may be corrupt but you don't have the
right you got elected to look over the country and to as we say make America great again but you don't have the right
to go and look and see whether or not things are right that they're paying or that things are honest that they're
paying and nobody can even believe this other people law professors they've been saying you can't how can you take that
person's right away You're supposed to be running the country but we're not allowed to look and who they're paying it to and what they're paying we have
massive amounts of fraud that we caught I think we probably caught way over a
lot of billions of dollars already in what two weeks yes and it's going to go
uh to numbers that you're not going to believe and much as I said much is incompetence and much is dishonesty we
have to catch it and the only way going to catch it is to look for it and if a judge is going to say you're not allowed to look for
it that's pretty sad for our country I don't understand how it could even work on the program can you personally
guarantee that the buyout program the operative federal workers can you personally guarantee that the workers
who opt in to resign now will be paid through SE they get their money but uh they're getting a good deal they're
getting a big buy out and what we're trying to do is reduce government we have too many people we have office
space it's occupied by 4% nobody's showing up to work because they were told not to and then Biden gave them a
5-year pass some of them 48 ,000 of them gave him a 5year pass that for five
years you don't have to show up to work and and let me tell you this is largely much of the stuff is because of Biden
it's his fault he allowed this country what he did on our border what he did on
our border is almost not as bad as what he did with uh all of these contracts that have come out it it's it's a very
sad day when we look at it I can't even believe it but many contracts just extend and they just keep extending and
there was nobody there to correct Ed and uh that cannot be I can't imagine that
could be held up by the court any court that would say that the president or his
Representatives like Secretary of the Treasury Secretary of State whatever doesn't have the right to go over their
books and make sure everything's honest I mean how can you have a country you can't have anything that way you can't
have a business that way you can't have a country that way thank you very much everybody thank you back.
