Elon Musk 人类已彻底忘记了战争的教训

2024年12月24日，YouTube【人类灭亡】Elon Musk 马斯克 - 人类已彻底忘记了战争的教训 |特斯拉 SpaceX 创始人

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON1mfmNiUlE

特别感谢莱克斯·弗里德曼和埃隆·马斯克接受这次鼓舞人心的采访。

我认为他们中的大多数人并没有真正这样做过，他们并不恨对方，那些不认识彼此的年轻男孩，为了认识彼此的老人而互相残杀，如今活着的人已经很少了谁真正理解战争的恐怖，有多少人还活着，记得第二次世界大战，显然没有多少人，全球核战争很有可能永远终结文明，所以让我问你关于今天正在发生的战争，看看会发生什么和平之路可能是您希望如何结束以色列和加沙目前的战争呃您认为哪条道路可以长期最大限度地减少该地区的人类苦难没有简单的答案这只是我的观点你知道吗，哈马斯的目标是激起以色列的过度反应，他们显然不指望取得军事胜利，但他们确实想尽一切办法激起以色列的愤怒。以色列会做出最激进的回应，然后施加影响力这种对全世界穆斯林为加沙和巴勒斯坦事业而团结起来的积极回应，他们成功地做了违反直觉的事情，我认为我认为应该做的事情，即使这非常困难，嗯，我建议以色列尽可能采取最明显的善举，每一件事都是真正能阻止火星目标的事情，我不知道是谁说的，这是一个启示录的说法，但以眼还眼确实现在每个人都是盲目的，他们真的相信以牙还牙的事情，但如果你不打算直接承诺反对整个民族，这显然是不可接受的，真的不应该被任何人接受，那么你基本上会留下很多人活着，然后你知道他们会恨以色列，所以真正的问题是，对于你杀死的每一个哈马斯成员，你创造了多少，如果你创造的比你杀死的还多没有成功，这就是你知道那里的真实情况，嗯，可以肯定地说，如果你知道，如果你在加沙杀死某人的孩子，你至少让几个哈马斯成员为了杀死一个以色列的情况就是这样，但我的意思是，这是人们可能讨论的最具争议的话题之一，但我认为，如果最终目标是某种长期和平，那么人们必须从
的角度来看待这个问题随着时间的推移，恐怖分子的数量是增加了还是减少了？其中一件让我担心的事情是，现在很少有人真正深刻地理解战争的恐怖，至少在美国是这样，我的意思是，显然前线有人乌克兰和俄罗斯的人们知道战争有多可怕，但西方有多少人
知道这一点，你知道我的祖父参加过二战，他受到了严重的精神创伤，我的意思是，我想他在那里待了将近六年他所有的朋友都被杀了在他面前，呃他也会死的，除非他们随机给了我一些智商测试之类的东西，呃他的分数很高，嗯现在他不是一名军官，我想他是下士或中士之类的，所以因为他没有高中毕业，所以他没有资格加入军官团，所以你知道他基本上被归类为炮兵战士，嗯，他患有创伤后应激障碍，下一个级别，就像下一个级别，我的意思是只是不说话，只是没有' t说话，如果你试图跟他说话，他只会叫你闭嘴，所以他会说，不，你绝对不想再做一次，但是现在有多少人，他显然死了你知道 20 年前有多少人还记得第二次世界大战吗？没几个人，也许核战争的威胁也是如此，是的，我的意思是有足够多的核弹指向美国，足以让放射性核弹反弹很多时候现在有两场大战正在进行，你担心核战争我认为我们不应该忽视
核战争的可能性嗯，这是一种文明威胁嗯，有很多核武器瞄准我们，所以我们也有很多核武器瞄准其他人，它们还在那里，没有人把他们的呃，他们的枪已经拿走了，导弹还在发射井里，呃，领导人似乎不是
拿着核武器互相交谈的人，没有战争，在当地，战争是悲惨和艰难的，然后还有战争哪些文明会终结或者有这种潜力显然全球核战争很有可能会永久终结文明但你肯定知道严重的伤害，也许会阻碍人类进步，回到石器时代，或者我不知道的什么，无知，在我看来，也许才是需要对抗的真正敌人，我真的建议人们详细阅读第一次世界大战，那很粗糙，我的意思是，那里死亡的人数之多令人难以置信，几乎无法想象它的结局，它看起来与开始时几乎完全不同，在哪些土地属于谁等方面，但在许多人遭受痛苦、死亡和基础设施被破坏的另一边，是的，我一年前提出某种形式的和平，是因为我几乎准确地预测了会发生什么，那就是很多人死于土地几乎没有变化，这是乌克兰和俄罗斯青年之花的损失，我们应该对他们表示同情俄罗斯男孩和乌克兰男孩，因为俄罗斯男孩没有要求上前线，他们必须上前线，所以有很多儿子没有回到父母身边，你知道，我认为他们中的大多数人并没有真正仇恨另一方，你知道，这有点像这句话，就像这句话来自第一次世界大战，就像不认识彼此的年轻男孩为了认识彼此的老人而互相残杀，这到底是什么意思，呃，确实感觉有一种深刻的真理，呃，明显的 ACC 是这种现象的解毒剂，必须阻止这种相互暴力的循环，某种东西会阻止它，否则它永远不会停止，只是我以眼还眼，以牙还牙，以肢还肢，以命换命，直到永远永远

2024年12月24日，YouTube 【人類滅亡】Elon Musk 馬斯克 - 人類已徹底忘記了戰爭的教訓 | Tesla SpaceX創始人
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON1mfmNiUlE 
Special thanks to Lex Fridman and Elon Musk for this inspiring interview.

I think most of them don't don't really
have they don't hate the other side
young boys who don't know each other
killing each other on behalf of old men
that do know each other there are very
few people alive today who actually just
really understand the horrors of War how
many people are alive that remember
World War II not many obviously Global
th nuclear warfare has high potential to
end civilization perhaps permanently so let me ask you about the
wars going on today and to see what the
path to peace could be how do you hope
the current war in Israel and Gaza comes
to an end uh what path do you see that
can minimize human suffering in the long
term in that part of the world there is
no easy answer this strictly my opinion
of you know is that uh the goal of Hamas
was to provoke an overreaction from
Israel um they obviously do not expect
to uh you know have a military Victory
um but they they they really wanted
to commit the worst atrocities that they
could in order to provoke the the most
aggressive response possible from Israel
um and then leverage that aggressive
response to um rally Muslims worldwide
uh for the cause of uh Gaza and
Palestine which they have succeeded in
doing counterintuitive thing here I
think that the the thing that I think
should should be done even though it is
very difficult uh is that um I I would
recommend that Israel engage in the most
cons conspicuous acts of kindness
possible every everything that is the
actual thing that would thwart the goal
of mar and I'm not sure who said it it's
an apocal saying but an eye for the for
an eye makes everyone blind now now that
neck of the woods they really believe in
the whole eye for ey thing but if if
you're not going to just outright commit gen side like against an
entire people which obviously would not
be acceptable to to really shouldn't be
acceptable to anyone um then you're
you're going to leave basically a lot of
people alive who subsequently you know
hate Israel so really the question is
like how for for every Hamas member that
you kill how many did you create mhm and
if you create more than you kill you've
not succeeded that's the you know the
real situation there um and it's safe to
say that if if you know if if you kill
somebody's child in Gaza you you you've
made at least a few uh Hamas members who
will die just just to kill an Israeli
that's the situation so but but I mean
this is one of the most contentious
subjects one could possibly discuss but
but I I think if if the if the goal
ultimate is some sort of long-term peace
one has to be look at this from
standpoint of over time are there more
or fewer um terrorists being created one of the
things that does concern me is that
there are very few people alive today
who actually viscerally understand the
horrors of War at least in the US I mean
obviously there people in on the front
lines in Ukraine and Russia who
understand just how terrible war is um
but how many people in the west
understand it um you know my grandfather
was in World War II uh he was severely
traumatized I mean he was there I think
in for almost six years in the uh all
his friends were killed uh in front of
him and uh he would have died too um
except they randomly gave some I guess
IQ test or something and uh he scored
very high um now he was not an officer
he was a I think a Corporal or Sergeant
or something like that so because he
didn't graduate high school he was not
eligible for the officer Corp so you
know he kind of got put into the cannon
fighter category basically um he he had
PTSD next level like next level
I mean just didn't talk just didn't talk
and if you tried talking to him he'd
just tell you to shut up so he would say
like no no way in hell do you want to do
you want to do that again but how many
people um now he he obviously he died
you know 20 years ago how many people
are alive that remember World War II not
many and the same perhaps applies to the
threat of nuclear war yeah I mean there are enough nuclear
bombs pointed at at uh United States to
make the reubel the radioactive reubel
bounce many times there's two major Wars going on
right now do you worry about nuclear
war I think we shouldn't discount the
possibility of nuclear war um it is a
civilizational threat um there are a lot of nukes
pointed at us so and we have a lot of
nukes pointed at other people they're still there nobody's put
their uh their guns away the missiles are still in the silos
and uh the leaders don't seem to be the
ones with the nukes talking to each
other no there are Wars which are tragic
and difficult on a on a local basis and
then there are Wars which are civilization ending or has that
potential obviously Global ther nuclear
warfare has high potential to end
civilization perhaps permanently but
certainly you know to severely
uh wound and and perhaps uh set back uh
human progress by you know to the Stone
Age or something I don't know ignorance
is perhaps in my view the Real Enemy to
be countered I I really recommend people
read uh World War I Warfare in detail that's rough um I mean the sheer number of people that died there was mind bugling and it's almost impossible to um imagine the end of it that doesn't look
like almost exactly like the beginning
in terms of what land belongs to who and
so on but on the other side of a lot of
human suffering death and destruction of
infrastructure yes the thing that the
reason I I you know proposed a a some
sort of Tru or or peace a year ago was
because I predicted pretty much exactly
what would would happen uh which is a
lot of people dying for basically almost
no changes in land um and this the the loss of the the
flower of Ukrainian and Russian Youth
and we should have some sympathy for the
the Russian boys as well as the
Ukrainian boys cuz they Russian boys
didn't didn't ask to be on their front
line they have to be so there's a lot of
sons not not come back to their parents
you know and and I think most of them don't don't really
have they don't hate the other side you
know it's sort of like is this saying
about like this saying comes from World
War I it's like young boys who don't
know each other killing each other on
behalf of old men that do know each
other the hell's the point of that there's uh does feel like there's a profound truth to uh conspicuous ACC of kind is being an antidote to this something must stop the the cycle of reciprocal violence something will stop it or it
will you know it'll it'll it'll never stop just I eye for an eye tooth for a tooth
limb for a limb life for a life forever and ever