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尼日利亚 美国 关系破裂的原因

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尼日尔总理称,美国“威胁”是导致关系破裂的原因

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2024 年 5 月 14 日

尼亚美——尼日尔总理阿里·马哈曼·拉明·泽内 (Ali Mahaman Lamine Zeine) 在周二发表的《华盛顿邮报》采访中表示,尼日尔军政府领导的尼日尔于 3 月切断了与美国的军事关系,因为美国威胁实施制裁。

尼亚美于 3 月中旬宣布将终止与华盛顿的军事合作协议,此前不久,美国代表团离开了这个萨赫勒国家。

尼日尔一直是西非反恐行动的重要基地,在阿加德兹市附近有一个主要的美国无人机基地。

泽内说,率领代表团访问的美国负责非洲事务的助理国务卿莫莉·菲 (Molly Phee) 威胁说,如果尼日尔签署向伊朗出售其生产的铀的协议,将对尼亚美实施制裁。

“首先,你们来这里是为了威胁我们国家。这是不可接受的,”泽内说他告诉菲。

“你们来这里是为了告诉我们可以和谁建立关系,这也是不可接受的。你们用居高临下的语气和缺乏尊重的态度做这一切,”泽内回忆道。

当被问及泽内的说法时,国务院发言人维丹特·帕特尔没有否认菲向军政府提出了一个“选择”,并表示她正在传达“美国政府的协调立场”。

帕特尔在华盛顿告诉记者,菲提出了“一个植根于我们对民主原则的信仰和符合我们国家安全利益的选择”。

他说,在意识到双方无法达成谅解后,美国决定“以有序和负责任的方式”撤军。

美国于 4 月同意撤出 1,000 多名美国人员,与尼日尔的谈判正在进行中。

“美国人留在我们的土地上,在恐怖分子杀人、烧毁城镇的时候什么也没做,”领导与美国谈判的泽内说。

“进入我们的土地,让恐怖分子袭击我们,这不是友谊的象征。

“我们已经看到了美国将采取什么措施来保卫其盟友,因为我们看到了乌克兰和以色列。”

去年 7 月的政变推翻了民选总统穆罕默德·巴祖姆后,美国暂停了军事支持。

相比之下,俄罗斯、土耳其和阿联酋“张开双臂”欢迎新领导人,泽内告诉邮报。

政变后,军政府在 2023 年底前将军队驱逐出前殖民大国法国,并加强了与俄罗斯的关系,俄罗斯在 4 月和 5 月派遣了军事教官和装备。

据尼日尔外交部称,美国的发展援助将继续进行,新协议为期三年,价值近 5 亿美元。

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因此,华盛顿邮报写了一篇关于一个国家的文章,该国领导人通过政变掌权,并将政变领导人作为其主要信息和观点来源。

拜托。
是的……这让我很困扰。这篇有偏见的文章有很多错误。
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有偏见还不足以形容它。我见过美国媒体夸大我们自己政府(例如伊拉克)的宣传。但这是为一个杀人、非法的军事独裁政权进行的直截了当的宣传。

最重要的是,它不符合其自身的内部逻辑。文章本身指出,菲女士的访问是尼日尔已经威胁要驱逐美军之后的“最后一次努力”。

他的主要抱怨是,美国不像他的独裁同僚那样“张开双臂”接受非法政变,我们不会向非法政府出售武器,我们威胁说,如果他们向伊朗出售铀,就会实施制裁?你在开玩笑吗?

这些新盟友在尼日尔的主要存在似乎是瓦格纳集团重组的部队,他们在其他六个非洲国家制造了浩劫并窃取了自然资源。

如果你想反对一项有原则的(并且公认不完美)外交政策,即推进民主价值观和人权,那就去吧。尽管我们在遏制与其他压迫盟友谋求利益的独裁轴心方面面临着新的挑战,但我认为,通过推进这些原则(再次:公认不完美),美国的利益仍然得到了推进。

继续采访任何推翻合法政府只是为了聚集权力和让少数人致富的政权的领导人吧。祝贺你的独家新闻(“独家”——大获全胜!)。但请把情况放在比本文中埋藏的平淡无奇的描述更具体的背景中。看在上帝的份上,问一些更尖锐的问题。如果那只是专制政府的宣传讲台,那它就毫无意义。
“我看到美国媒体放大了我们自己政府的宣传(例如伊拉克)。”

你现在每天都可以看到它!只要看看《纽约时报》(例如以色列)的头版。大多数文章都直接来自以色列。
我更喜欢华盛顿邮报写这篇文章,相信我能辨别出信息可能由于来源而可疑。知道 DOS 必须处理什么总比不知道好。

我认为作者非常清楚地表明我们应该对 Zeine 先生的话持怀疑态度。评论清楚地表明我们大多数人都注意到了这一点。

我唯一的抱怨是关于标题,这不是作者的错。华盛顿邮报确实需要一些工作。
不,它太不平衡了,不值得发表。它的指控没有得到一方的回应——毫无意义。
大多数读者从不看评论。大多数读者只看表面,最糟糕的是,这可以用来支持更多的虚假信息和宣传,引用邮报是诚实和公正的。
这是一篇宣传文章,是这位作者的众多文章之一。
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我赞扬华盛顿邮报的努力——这使它有别于其他 90% 的美国新闻机构。BBC 和《经济学人》是国际报道的两个主要来源。
卫报和 BBC 是国际报道最好的。《经济学人》和半岛电视台也很棒。
通常,主流媒体对非洲的报道完全基于美国政府的新闻稿和泄密。引用不在美国领薪水的非洲人的话是不寻常的。
泽纳总理不是政变领导人。他是政变领导人雇佣来管理政府文职部分的技术官僚。
观察得很好!喜欢主要来源——除非它对你来说太令人困惑,因为这种文章需要你自己思考。

另外,我们能不能把玛丽·凯瑟琳“莫莉”·菲去掉。我关注她的职业生涯已经有一段时间了,她完全浪费了篇幅。

我在那个困难的地区有一些经验,虽然反对政变和支持民主是重要的立场,但每一种情况都有复杂的特点和不同的美国利益,而国会强加的具有约束力的一般政策(例如,切断所有援助)对我们有效解决这些问题没有多大帮助。

关于助理国务卿莫莉·菲:她是我们系统中最有成就的外交官之一,在开罗、安曼、伊拉克(在那里她得到了我们英国盟友的高度赞扬)、美国驻联合国代表团和驻南苏丹大使期间取得了重大成就。她会说阿拉伯语、法语和意大利语。我们很幸运有她在我们服务。

读了这篇文章后,我确实想知道 Phee 的傲慢、无能的干预是否是特朗普掏空国务院的结果?
华盛顿邮报做了这些独家报道,他经常让你感到困惑为什么?

写一些有趣的新闻故事来影响很多人怎么样?

哦,等等,你可以在纽约时报上找到它。
你反对外国新闻?
每篇关于哈马斯的文章都是这样。用途

哈马斯作为消息来源,并将其作为事实。华盛顿邮报早就失去了洞察力。
“让恐怖分子袭击我们,这不是友谊的象征,而是进入我们的领土。我们已经看到了美国将采取什么措施来保卫其盟友,因为我们已经看到了乌克兰和以色列。”
而这种裂痕至少部分是由于美国政府不愿代表一个未经选举的政府干预尼日尔的内部民事纠纷。听起来美国做出了一个明智的政策决定。
让我们问问俄罗斯收买的腐败独裁者,他为什么要驱逐美国军队。我相信他会说实话。
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很难相信他们不想成为乔的美国的一部分。总是赢。尽快让布林金过去
他们会与特朗普的美国融为一体,通过放弃民主选举来掌权,与希望在全世界都有独裁者的普京的俄罗斯合作。特朗普总是赢,特别是在拖延法庭案件审理,以便他可以使用专制手段逃避犯罪行为的责任。
看来你无法理解发生了什么。
美国是一个民主国家,并且支持民主国家。
尼日尔的新政府通过非法政变推翻了民选政府。
虽然特朗普会张开双臂拥抱新独裁者,因为这是他想要成为的,但热爱民主的美国人却不能。

你支持哪个:民主还是独裁者?
贡佐蒂克是一位著名的普京付费宣传员。多年来一直如此。
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好吧,美国(在英国的帮助下)帮助伊朗推翻了一位民选领导人,并扶植了自己的傀儡——当时他是一个残暴甚至恶毒的独裁者。这为毛拉们用自己的残暴手段接管政权铺平了道路。

试图用自己的傀儡控制另一个国家永远不会成功。我们是一个非常无知的国家。
WAPO,你真丢脸!多么可怕的、误导性的标题。根据你自己的故事,美国的“威胁”是,如果他们不恢复民主,不停止因非法军事政变而虐待/监禁自己的人民,我们将停止向他们的国家提供援助。你的标题听起来好像美国是个恶霸,而事实上,我们是在为弱者挺身而出对抗恶霸。再说一次,你真丢脸!啊,又一个国家建设者。不知道你是怎么从那条评论中得到“国家建设者”这个词的。自由主义者们醒了,麦格罗因!快跑,躲起来!我很困惑,事实上,WAPO 只是根据收到的信息讲述一个故事。请解释一下 WAPO 在什么时候站队。如果我们只根据我们想听到的内容获取信息,我们就会回到生活在黑暗中。美国没有下最后通牒。你读过这篇文章吗?它批评美国,站在尼日尔一边,称美国在欺凌。这是尼日尔的观点。
我们绝对有最后通牒,你为什么说不是呢?你可以认为最后通牒是理性和道德的(恢复我们所定义的民主,否则就会失去军事支持),或者你可以认为它很糟糕。但我们确实敦促新政府在激励措施和时间限制下做出选择。这是最后通牒。
华盛顿邮报在标题中站在了一边,指责美国对尼日尔发出“威胁”。

如果没有上下文,“威胁”就被认为是暴力。这不是这里发生的事情。

华盛顿邮报的编辑是专业的文字匠,所以他们知道什么时候是在误导。
华盛顿邮报的编辑是专业的文字匠

我不太确定。
你读过标题吗?
如果你读过这篇文章,它指责美国促进民主。
我同意。这篇文章对美国有负面的解读。尼日尔领导人感到屈尊俯就?也许他们只是没有安全感。为什么美国会在政变后立即卷入战斗?

也许是因为“政变就是我们”?
因为美国要求每个国家都成为民主国家的政策是无法实现的,也不符合美国利益。

国会必须重新制定限制性法律,允许美国机构与外国政府合作,为美国利益服务。然后国务院必须振作起来,为我们的利益服务。
“美国要求每个国家都成为民主国家的政策是无法实现的,也不符合美国利益。”

民主确实符合美国利益。

独裁者用谎言和暴力来反对美国利益。

没有一个理想是 100%“可实现的”,但这并不意味着我们应该向暴力独裁者投降,或者帮助他们。

把你的反民主宣传带到别处去。
我们不再接受对美国有负面报道的新闻了吗?你认为这是民主吗?
不……这是文化敏感性的严重缺乏。在世界许多地方,进入一个家庭(国家)并告诉他们如何做事是一种极其恶劣的侮辱。

他们不是美国,我们允许其他国家(如以色列)来教训我们。

如果有人不喜欢,我们可能会认为这是不安全的。在某些文化中,这被视为严重的蔑视

尊重你的主持人。
“如果你不会跳舞,那你真丢脸。”
他们只是在报道尼日尔政府的立场。这难道不值得报道吗?他们还得到了美国政府对这个话题的答复——由你来决定哪一方值得信任,哪一方不值得信任。
这是一篇荒谬的文章。瓦格纳,或者说他的遗留物,帮助策划了尼日尔的政变。当然,美国不会给一群反民主独裁者武器。除了简单地重复谎言和虚假信息之外,记者还必须对拜登进行挖苦。在这一点上,令人惊讶的是,你们的天气预报和电影评论没有包括对拜登的一些攻击。
这是一个荒谬的评论。仅仅因为你不喜欢这些事实,并不意味着记者做错了什么。文章中没有任何内容表明美国应该“给一群反民主独裁者武器”。记者只是在报道双方的言论和行为。这就是新闻。你应该查一下这个概念。
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但是他们真的查过了吗?除了 Zeine 先生,没有任何人发表过独立声明。美国的立场与 Zeine 先生的报道一致——没有引用美国官员的声明,甚至没有引用尼日尔大学的专家的声明。

编辑后补充——有两段话来自“一位美国官员”,但没有提及具体引用。其他所有内容均引用自 Zeine 先生。
“针对 Zeine 的评论,一位美国官员表示:“3 月份向 CNSP 传达的信息是美国政府的协调立场,以专业的方式传达,以回应对尼日尔事态发展的合理担忧。CNSP 面临的是一个选择,而不是最后通牒,即他们是否希望继续与我们合作,尊重我们的民主价值观和国家安全利益。”

这篇文章在文章中的位置相当靠后;它肯定是为了报道尼日尔的声明和观点而写的,但它确实包括了美国官员的反驳。

我的第一反应是,是政变造成了美尼关系的裂痕,而不是美国的“欺凌”。

我们失去了非洲的一个重要盟友,这非常令人担忧。

另一方面,尼日尔也失去了美国的一个重要盟友。

Zeine 的选择。

然而,尼日尔人民失去了民主,发现自己成了俄罗斯最新的“朋友”,这真是不幸。

你的评论是赤裸裸的谎言。你读过这篇文章吗?
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新闻不需要淫秽的标题来推销故事。
根据标题,我预计会有特朗普任命的混蛋对尼日尔提出不可能的要求。
不,是俄罗斯支持的独裁者抱怨他不能像我们的盟友那样从美国纳税人那里得到免费的东西。
“新闻不需要淫秽的标题来推销故事。”

你这个可爱的夏日孩子。我们已经阅读黄色新闻一个多世纪了。
????????????????美国似乎并不关心他们向反民主独裁者提供武器和支持。看看美国帮助了多少令人作呕的国家。
以色列
如果不一次改变一个独裁者的政策,你就无法改变美国支持独裁者的政策。

拜登本可以代表全球石油公司拥抱新政府,但他却向新政府施加压力,要求其恢复民主。

这不是你想要的吗?
有一个模因在流传,展示了最近的北极光事件,上面写着“天空现在是同性恋!因为觉醒了。”华盛顿邮报将用拜登取代觉醒。正如你所说,这篇文章只是一篇片面的宣传文章。作者现在可以和臭名昭著的纽约时报记者沃尔特·杜兰蒂一起进入耻辱堂了。
没错。
对,我们卖给沙特的所有武器怎么办?我们甚至在那里支持一个基地。
沙特阿拉伯想和你谈谈。
当然,美国不会给一群反民主独裁者提供武器。
胡说。解释一下卖给沙特阿拉伯的武器
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我们的基地在那里为法国提供有关北非圣战分子在沙漠中袭击马里、布基纳法索和尼日尔的情报。随着法国人被赶出这三个国家,我们的基地不再有用。

我们不需要尼日尔的铀或黄金。尼日尔人民需要他们的矿产财富带来的钱,但大部分将被精英与俄罗斯人勾结盗走。
这里只有一件事要做。在乌克兰击败俄罗斯。
一次几个好结果。
你看过另一个标题了吗?
击败俄罗斯!你在吃什么快乐药丸
俄罗斯正在利用乌克兰缺乏武器和飞机。
这种短缺是西方政策(和 GQP 愚蠢行为)的结果,我主张改变这种“谨慎”的做法。
俄罗斯完全可以被击败。
没错。如果美国简单地向乌克兰提供我们所有的炮弹,这种情况很容易改变。然后国会可以决定是否要为我们的军队购买更多。这仍然将是美国参与过的最便宜的战争。
梦想家。
乌克兰必须赢,

俄罗斯必败无疑。
越快越好。
必胜无疑???
你的核武器在哪里?
泽内先生刚刚将国家控制权移交给俄罗斯人。他可能会发现俄罗斯人比美国更不守规矩、更不顺从——更倾向于追求自己狭隘的经济利益。如果俄罗斯人想留在俄罗斯,他们不太可能主动辞职。
与美国不同,俄罗斯不会要求你尝试建立民主。他们会很乐意帮助你压制任何政治反对派——提供武器和军事领导。他们也更愿意向当权者提供贿赂和回扣。那么你认为统治这个国家的盗贼政权会支持谁呢?他们的选择是俄罗斯还是中国。
所以现在邮报正在听信美国专制暴君的话?我没有看到新政变暴徒发来的信息中有任何令人反感的东西。肆虐的伊斯兰恐怖分子很快就会明白为什么西非迫切需要美国和法国的支持。
殖民主义已经消亡。尼日尔需要独立,但仍然需要外国援助来资助贪污。
因此,政变领导人希望继承其前任与美国的关系。哦,好吧,我相信他会更喜欢瓦格纳雇佣兵。
也许美国应该停止训练这些政变领导人。
只要泽纳的口袋里装满了瓦格纳的现金,他和他的新俄罗斯朋友就会过得很好。归根结底,一切都是为了钱。
听起来泽纳想要权力,并试图将援助以民主规范和盟友为条件的责任推给美国。
对你写这篇文章没有任何抱怨——最近似乎有很多关于应该或不应该写的意见——但是,我很难为没有向一个新成立的政变军政府提供设备、武器和情报而感到不安,这个军政府对向伊朗出售铀没有意见。

整个事情都散发着俄罗斯支持的瓦格纳式的恶臭(他们在我们搬出去之前就搬进来了)和中国的虚假信息运动。
“菲在之前的一次采访中说,美国官员在 12 月的会议上“尽可能明确地做出了选择”,强调美国援助将暂停,直到尼日尔设定恢复民主的时间表。”
这不是作者所暗示的拜登政府的失败。这完全是尼日利亚人民的失败。祝你的新政权好运。现在普京拥有你。
谁为邮报写头条新闻?这里的问题不是美国威胁了尼日尔。美国向这些通过政变上台的新领导人解释说,如果他们向伊朗出售铀,我们就不能支持他们。标题难道不应该是这样的:政变上台,尼日尔政府希望向伊朗出售铀;美国不会继续支持。
你的标题似乎暗示我们的政府代表做错了什么,而不是采取必要行动来确保美国的安全。
以及它的盟友?
为什么 Phee 指责尼日尔政府做了她一无所知的事情?这是傲慢和不尊重。
认为说了什么就成真,这是傲慢和不尊重。
显然她有信息。
那是什么信息?
这太搞笑了。人们不可能这么天真,不是吗?
俄罗斯支持尼日尔的政变。这是显而易见的。他们想要在非洲拥有影响力(他们已经拥有了影响力,并且正在迅速扩张),他们想在地缘政治上尽可能地与我们作对,而这是一个轻松的机会。

因此,尼日尔的新独裁者想说什么就说什么。击退美军几乎肯定是俄罗斯情报界向他们提供任何援助的先决条件。

当然,如果他们不喜欢我们,他们会和他们的新俄罗斯“朋友”度过一段真正美好的时光,但这似乎是两个彼此应得的群体。

俄罗斯没有支持尼日尔的政变。
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当然他们支持了。不管有没有大写字母,反其道而行之都是幼稚的。纳兹普京对生存空间、有用的白痴和好东西的渴望几乎是无限的。
这种“独家”是不合情理的。因此,一个俄罗斯支持的独裁者发动了政变,然而华盛顿邮报却批评美国没有支持独裁者清洗他的“恐怖分子”。明白了。
我没有这样读。但它似乎严重依赖读者去阅读字里行间的内容,以弄清楚到底发生了什么。

我认为他们试图保持中立,实际上让美国听起来不讲道理,但很明显谁只是在试图敲诈美国,俄罗斯十多年来一直在推动他们在这个领域的利益。

他们先把铀卖给伊朗,然后提起“伊拉克大规模杀伤性武器的谎言”,这尤其愚蠢。(人们从来没有提到萨达姆公开表现得好像他确实有一个计划,不让检查员进来!)
他说他告诉了 Phee 和 Ca

Niger Prime Minister says US 'threats' responsible for broken ties

https://www.voaafrica.com/a/niger-prime-minister-says-us-threats-responsible-for-broken-ties-/7611219.html

14 May 2024 22:48

FILE—Prime Minister Ali Mahaman Lamine Zeine, appointed by the military on his firsr presser in Niamey, Niger September 4, 2023.

Prime Minister Ali Mahaman Lamine Zeine, appointed by the military on his firsr presser in Niamey, Niger September 4, 2023.

 

NIAMEY—Junta-led Niger cut military ties with the United States in March because it threatened sanctions, Prime Minister Ali Mahaman Lamine Zeine said in a Washington Post interview published Tuesday.

Niamey announced in mid-March it was ending a military cooperation agreement with Washington, shortly after a US delegation left the Sahelian country.

Niger has been a key base for counter-terrorism operations in West Africa, with a major US drone base near Agadez city.

Zeine said Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Molly Phee, who led the delegation's visit, threatened Niamey with sanctions if Niger signed an agreement to sell the uranium it produces to Iran.

"First, you have come here to threaten us in our country. That is unacceptable," Zeine said he told Phee.

"And you have come here to tell us with whom we can have relationships, which is also unacceptable. And you have done it all with a condescending tone and a lack of respect," Zeine recounted.

Asked about Zeine's account, State Department spokesman Vedant Patel did not dispute that Phee presented the junta with a "choice" and said that she was conveying a "coordinated US government position."

Phee offered "a choice that was rooted in our belief in democratic principles and what was in our national security interests," Patel told reporters in Washington.

He said that the United States decided to withdraw forces "in an orderly and responsible" way after realizing that the two sides could not come to an understanding.

The United States in April agreed to withdraw the more than 1,000 American personnel and discussions with Niger are underway.

"The Americans stayed on our soil, doing nothing while the terrorists killed people and burned towns," said Zeine, who has led negotiations with the United States.

"It is not a sign of friendship to come on our soil but let the terrorists attack us.

"We have seen what the United States will do to defend its allies, because we have seen Ukraine and Israel."

After a July coup last year overthrew elected president Mohamed Bazoum, the United States suspended military support.

By contrast, Russia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates welcomed the new leaders with "open arms," Zeine told the Post.

Following the coup, the junta expelled troops from former colonial power France before the end of 2023 and ramped up ties with Russia, which sent military instructors and equipment in April and May.

US development aid is set to continue with a new agreement worth almost $500 million over three years, according to the Niger Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

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So Wapo wrote an article about a country where a leader took power as the result of a coup and used the coup leader as its primary source of information and perspective.

C’mon.
Yeah.. that bothers me. There’s so much wrong with this slanted article.
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Slanted doesn't begin to describe it. I've seen the US press amplify propaganda from our own government (e.g. Iraq). But this is straight-propaganda for a murderous, illegitimate, military dictatorship.

On top of that, it doesn't hold up to its own internal logic. The article itself specifies that Ms. Phee's visit was "a last ditch effort" after Niger had already threatened to kick US troops out.

Among his chief complaints are that the US didn't accept the illegitimate coup "with open arms" as his fellow autocrats did, that we wouldn't sell the illegitimate government weaponry, and that we threatened sanctions if they sold uranimium to Iran? Are you kidding me?

The main presence of these new allies in Niger appears to be the reconstituted troops from the Wagner Group, who have wreaked havoc and stolen natural resources in half a dozen other African countries.

If you want to argue against a principled (and admittedly imperfect) foreign policy that advances democratic values and human rights, go right ahead. Even though we're facing new challenges in stemming the axis of autocrats who seek interest with other oppresive allies, I'd argue that US interests are still advanced by advancing those principles (again: admittedly imperfectly).

Go ahead and interview the leader of any regime that overthrows a legitimate government simply to gather power and enrich a handful of people. Congratulations on your scoop (an "exclusive" -- whooped-de-do!). But place the situation in more context than the anodine descriptions buried in this piece. And for God's sake, ask tougher questions. That scoop means nothing if its merely a soapbox for a despot's propaganda.
"I've seen the US press amplify propaganda from our own government (e.g. Iraq)."

You can actually see it everyday, right now! Just look at the front page of the New York Times (e.g. Israel). Most of those articles are straight from Israel.
I prefer WAPO write the article and trust me to discern that the information may be suspect due to the source. Better to know what DOS had to navigate than not.

I think the authors made it very clear that we should be suspicious of Mr. Zeine's words. The comments make it clear that most of us caught that.

My only gripe would be about the headline, which isn't the authors fault. WAPO does need some work there.
Nah it s so unbalanced that it doesn’t merit publication. Its accusations without answer from one side - pointless.
Most readers never go to the comments. Most readers take what is written at face value, and worst, this can be used to support more disinformation and propaganda by citing the Post as honest and fair.

This is a propaganda article, one of many from this author.
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I applaud Wapo for making the effort -- which separates it from the other 90% of US journalistic orgs. BBC and The Economist are the two main sources for international coverage.
The Guardian and the BBC are the best for international coverage. Economist and Al Jazeera also great.
Usually MSM reports on Africa are based solely on US government press releases and leaks. It is unusual to quote an African who isn't on the US payroll one way or another.
PM Zeine was not the coup leader. He was a technocrat the coup leaders hired to administer the civilian portions of the government.
Good observation! Love primary sources — unless it's too confusing for you, since this kind of article requires you to think on your own.

Also, can we please get rid of Mary Catherine "Molly" Phee. I've been following her career for a while, and she's a total waste of space.

I have some experience in that difficult part of the world, and, while opposing coups d’etat and supporting democracy are important positions, every one of these situations has complicating characteristics and varying US interests which Congressionally-imposed binding general policies (e.g., cut off all aid) do little to help us address effectively.

Re Asst. Secretary Molly Phee: She is one of the most accomplished diplomats in our system, with significant achievements in service in Cairo, Amman, in Iraq (where she received high praise from our UK ally), at the US Mission to the UN and as Ambassador to South Sudan. And she speaks Arabic, French and Italian. We are fortunate to have her in the Service.

On reading the article i did wonder if the arrogant, inept intervention by Phee was the fruit of drumpf's hollowing out of the State Department?
WaPo does these exclusives, and often times he scratch your head why?

How about writing some interesting news stories that impact many people.

Oh wait, you can find that on the New York Times.
You object to foreign news?
Every article written about Hamas does the same thing. Uses Hamas as a source and presents it as fact. WaPo lost perspective long ago.
“It is not a sign of friendship to come on our soil but let the terrorists attack us. We have seen what the United States will do to defend its allies, because we have seen Ukraine and Israel.”
And the rift appears at least partly based in the U.S. government’s unwillingness to intervene in Niger’s internal civil dispute on behalf of an unelected government. Sounds like a sound policy decision by the U. S.
Let’s ask a corrupt despot bought by Russia for his opinion as to why he kicked out US troops. I’m sure he'll tell the truth.
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It's hard to believe that they don't want to be apart of Joe's America. Always winning. Get Blinkin over there asap
They’d fit right in with Trump’s America, taking power by discarding democratic elections and working with Putin’s Russia who wants despots throughout world. Trump always winning, particularly in getting delays in court cases so he can use autocratic means to escape culpability for criminal actions.
It seems you’re not able to grasp what’s going on.
The United States is a democracy, and supports democracies.
This new government in Niger ousted a democratically elected administration in an illegal coup.
While Trump would embrace the new dictator with open arms, because that’s what he wants to be, Americans who love democracy cannot.

Which do you support: democracy or dictators?
Gonzotic is a well-known paid putin propagandist. Has been for years.
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Well, the US (with help of the UK) helped remove a democratically elected leader in Iran back in the day to put in their own puppet -- who then was a brutal, even vicious dictator. And this made the way for the Mullahs to take over with their own brutality.

Trying to control another country with your own puppets never works out. We are a very ignorant nation.
Shame on you WAPO! What a terrible, misleading headline. According to your own story the US "threat" was that we would stop propping up their country with aid if they didn't restore democracy and stop mistreating/jailing their own people as a result of their illegal military coup. Your headline makes it sound like the US was being a bully, when in fact we were standing up for the weak against a bully. Again, shame on you!
Ah, another nation-builder.
Don't know how you got "nation builder" out of that comment.
The freier's are waking up, mcgloin! Run and hide!
I'm confused, if factual WAPO is simply telling a story based on the information received. Please explain at what point did WAPO take sides. If we only intake information based on what we want to hear, we will go back to living in the dark.
The U.S. didn’t give an ultimatum. Did you read the article? It criticizes the U.S. by sort of taking the side of Niger in indicating the U.S. was bullying. That’s an opinion by Niger.
We absolutely have an ultimatum, why are you saying otherwise? You can think the ultimatum is rational and moral (restore democracy as we define it, or else lose military support) or you can think it's bad. But we definitely pressed the new government to make a choice with incentives, with a time constraint. That is an ultimatum.
WAPO took sides in the headline, when they accused the USA of making a "threat" against Niger.

Without context, "threat" is taken as that's of violence. That is not start happened here.

WAPOs editors are professional wordsmiths so they know when they are being misleading.
WAPOs editors are professional wordsmiths

I’m not so sure of that.
Did you read the headline?
It blames the US for promoting democracy if you read the article.
I agree. The article has a negative US spin to it. Niger leader feels condescension? Maybe they’re just insecure. Why would the U.S. jump into a fight just after a coup anyway?


Maybe because 'Coups are us'?
Because the US policy demanding that every nation be a democracy is unachievable and DOES NOT SERVE AMERICAN INTERESTS.

Congress must re-write the limiting laws to allow American institutions to work with foreign governments to serve American interests. Then the State Dept must get its head out of its keister and serve our interests.
"US policy demanding that every nation be a democracy is unachievable and DOES NOT SERVE AMERICAN INTERESTS."

democracy does serve American interests.

Authoritarians oppose American interests with lies and violence.

No ideal is 100% "achievable," but that doesn't mean we should just surrender to violent authotarians, or help them.

Take your anti-democracy propaganda elsewhere.
Are we no longer accepting of news that has a negative US spin? Thought this was a DEMOCRACY?
No... It was a terrible lack of cultural sensitivity. In many parts of the world, to go into a home (country) and tell them how to do things is an atrocious affront.

They are not the US where we allow other countries (like Israel) to come lecture us.

We might see that as insecurity if one doesn't like it. In some cultures it is seen as grave disrespect of your host.
“Shame on you if you can’t dance too.”
They are just reporting the position of the Niger government. Isn't that newsworthy? They also got the US government reply on the topic - it's up to you to decide which side is trustworthy and which is not.
This is a ridiculous article. Wagner, or what's left of it, helped stage the coup in Niger. Of course the US isn't going to give a bunch of anti democracy authoritarians weapons. And besides simply repeating lies as well as Ru disinfo the reporter just had to get that dig in at Biden. At this point it's surprising y'all's weather reports & movie reviews don't include some attack on Biden.
This is a ridiculous comment. Just because you don't like the facts it doesn't mean the reporter did anything wrong. Nothing in the article suggests that the U.S. should "give a bunch of anti democracy authoritarians weapons". The reporter was simply reporting what was said and done by both sides. It's called journalism. You should look up the concept.
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Were they, though? There are no independent statements attributed to anyone but Mr. Zeine. The US position is as reported by Mr. Zeine — there are no cited statements by US officials, or even by, say, university Niger experts.

Edited to add -- there are two paragraphs sourced to "a U.S. official," but no named citations. Everything else is cited to Mr. Zeine.
"In response to Zeine’s comments, a U.S. official said: “The message to the CNSP in March was a coordinated U.S. government position, delivered in a professional manner, in response to valid concerns about developments in Niger. The CNSP was presented with a choice, not an ultimatum, about whether they wished to continue their partnership with us, respectful of our democratic values and national security interests."

This was fairly far down in the article; it was definitely written to report Niger's statements and point of view, but it did incude a rebuttal by US officials.

My first reaction was that it was the coup that created the rift in US-Niger relations, not US "bullying."

We have lost an important ally in Africa, which is very concerning.

On the other hand, Niger has also lost an important ally in the US.

Zeine's choice.

Unfortunate for the people of Niger, though, to lose their democracy and to find themselves Russia's newest 'friend.'
Your comment is a blatant lie. Did you even read the article?
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Journalism doesn't need prurient headlines to sell the story.
Based on the headline, I expected that there was some trump appointed jerk making impossible demands on Niger.
Nope, it was a russian backed autocrat complaining that he can't get freebies from US taxpayers like our allies get.
"Journalism doesn't need prurient headlines to sell the story."

You sweet summer child. We've been reading Yellow Journalism for over a century.
????????????????The United States doesn’t seem to bother when they give anti democracy authoritarians weapons and support. Look at how many States worldwide the United States helps that are absolutely disgusting
Israel
You can't change U.S. policy on supporting dictators without changing that policy one dictator at a time.

Biden could have just embraced the new government on behalf of global oil companies, but instead is putting pressure on this new one to bring back democracy.

Isn't that what you would want?
There's a meme going around that shows the recent Northern Light event which says, " Sky's gay now! Because of woke." WaPo would replace woke with Biden. This article is, as you noted, simply a one sided propaganda piece. The author can join the infamous NYT reporter Walter Duranty in the Hall of Shame now.
Exactly.
Right, what about all the weapons we sell to the Saudis? We even support a base there.
Saudi Arabia would like to have a word with you.
Of course the US isn't going to give a bunch of anti democracy authoritarians weapons.
Nonsense. Explain weapons sold to Saudi Arabia
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Our base was there to provide intelligence to the French on N African jihadists in the desert attacking Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger. With the French ousted from all three countries, our base is no longer useful.

We don't need Niger's uranium or gold. Niger's people need the money from their mineral wealth but most of it will be stolen by the elites in concert with the Russians.
Only one thing to do here. Defeat Russia in Ukraine.
Several good outcomes at once.
Have you seen the other headline?
Defeat Russia! What happy pills are you taking
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Russia is making use of Ukraine's lack of weapons and planes.
This shortage is an outcome of Western policies (and GQP idiocy), I am advocating for a change in this 'cautious' approach.
Russia is entirely defeatable.
Exactly. That could easily change if the US simply provided ALL our artillery ammunition to Ukraine. Then Congress could decide whether they want to buy more for our troops. It still would be the cheapest war the US ever was involved in.
Dreamer.
Ukraine must win, Russia must loose.
The sooner the better.
Must win???
Where are your Nukes?
Mr Zeine has just handed over control of his country to the Russians. He may find them a little more unruly and less compliant than the USA - and more inclined to pursue their own narrow economic self interest. And if it suits their purposes to stay the Russians are unlikely voluntarily to quit on demand.
Russia, unlike the U.S., doesn’t ask that you try and create a democracy. They’ll gladly help you shut down any political opposition - providing arms and military leadership. They are also more amenable to providing bribes and kickbacks to those in power. So who do you think the kleptocracy that runs the country will go for? Their choice is Russia or China.
So now the Post is taking the word of a despotic tyrant over the USA? I don’t see anything in the message sent the new coup making thugs that is offensive. The Islamic terrorists on the rampage will soon make it clear why American and the French support is desperately needed for West Africa.
Colonialism is dead. Niger needs to stand on its own, but stills needs foreign aid to fund the graft.
So a coup leader expects to inherit the relationship his predecessor had with the US. Oh well, I'm sure he'll like Wagner mercenaries better.
Maybe the US should stop training these coup leaders.
So long as Zeine gets his pockets stuffed with cash by Wagner, and he will, everything will be just fine with him and his new Russian friends. At the end of he day, it's all about the cash money.
It sounds like Zeine wants power and is trying to shift blame to the US for making aid conditional on democratic norms and allies.
No complaints about you writing the article — seems to be a lot of opinions what should or shouldn’t be written about lately — but, I’m having a hard time feeling upset about not providing equipment, weapons, and intel to a brand new coup established junta that is fine with selling uranium to Iran.

Whole thing stinks of Russian backed Wagnertypes (who are moving in before we’ve even moved out) and Chinese misinformation campaigns.
"Phee said in a previous interview that American officials “made the choice as stark and clear” as they could during the December meeting, emphasizing that U.S. assistance would remain suspended until Niger set a timeline for restoring democracy."
This is not a failure of the Biden administration as the author implies. It is solely a failure of the Nigerian people. Good luck with your new regime. Putin owns you now.
Who writes the headlines for the Post? The issue here is not that the US threatened Niger. The US explained to these new leaders, who were put in place through a coup, that we cannot support them if they sell uranium to Iran. Should the headline not have been something like: Coup Installed Nigerien Government Wishes to Sell Uranium to Iran; US will not continue to support.
Your headline seems to imply that our government representative has done something wrong, rather than the actions necessary to attempt to ensure the safety and security of the US.
And its allies?
Why did Phee accuse the Nigerien govt. of something she had no information on? That is arrogance and disrespect.
It's arrogance and disrespect to think that saying something makes it true
Obviously she had information.
And what is that information?
This is hilarious. People can't actually be this naive, can they?

Russia backed the coup in Niger. It's painfully obvious. They want influence in Africa (which they have already and are rapidly expanding) and they want to screw with us geopolitically wherever they can, and this was an easy opportunity.

So Niger's new dictator can say whatever he wants. Seeing off US forces was almost certainly a precondition of whatever aid the Russian intelligence community offered them.

Of course if they disliked us, they will have a truly great time with their new Russian "friends", but this seems like two groups who deserve one another.
RUSSIA DID NOT BACK THE COUP IN NIGER.
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Of course they did. It is naïve to think opposite - with or without caps lock. NazPutin’s hunger for lebensraum, useful idiots and goodies is almost limitless.
This “exclusive” is unconscionable. So a Russian-supported despot staged a coup, and yet WaPo criticizes the US for not supporting the despot as he purged his “terrorists.” Got it.
I didn't read it like that. It did seem to heavily rely on the reader to read between the lines to figure out what is actually going on, though.

I think they were trying to be too neutral and actually made it sound like the US is being unreasonable, when it's fairly clear who is just trying to shake the US down and Russia has been pushing their interests in this area for over a decade now.

That they'd sell Uranium to Iran then bring up the "lie ahout WMDs in Iraq" is particularly .. stupid. (people never mention that Saddam was openly acting like he did have a program and wouldn't let inspectors in!)
He said he told Phee and Campbell that Niger would rather have American investors than soldiers.
Basically they want American dollars and Russian bodyguards.
Duh!
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What a dummy! He thinks he can get investors after welcoming the Russians and kicking out the U.S.? He thinks the West are fools. He wants investors to build the resource infrastructure so he can then nationalize it because of the bad westerners “demands”.
He's talking to China, not dumb Americans who give aid in exchange for resources but won't invest in infrastructure. Why would anyone align with the US when all it does in third world countries is try to export democracy when they can get all the aid and infracture without any peaky political meddling?
“If American investors arrived, we would give them what they wanted,” he recounted telling the States Department officials. “We have uranium. We have oil. We have lithium. Come, invest. It is all we want.”
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Let's not get bent out shape because an African dictator is making demands that change on a weekly basis. More or less, he wants our money to do whatever he wants to do.
Nope. He said that if US troops weren't going to join their fight against terrorism, then what were they doing in Niger?
This is a perfectly rational response. But the inability of US readers to stomach any external criticism of US policy is little short of hilarious.
I have a healthy skepticism of US foreign policy toward non-aligned countries. But Niger seems to have invited all of the US' adversaries into town before talking to or finalizing new deals with the US.

Of course the US will be skeptical of a military coup government that suddenly is visiting Iran and setting up Russian troops on the other side of an airbase.
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Zeine said Niger was asking for additional military equipment and what it considered a more equitable relationship between the two forces, according to his account.

Translation - Zeine was asking for additional money for his account
and if the US will not cooperate- Russia and China will.

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