Yanis Varoufakis 中国如何打赢与美国的冷战

中国如何打赢与美国的冷战，这里有四点建议 | 亚尼斯·瓦鲁法基斯

How China Can Win the Cold War with the U.S., Here are Four Suggestions | Yanis Varoufakis

Thinkers Forum 2024年11月15日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsAa_94dao&t=59s

在这场长达30多分钟的演讲中，希腊前财政部长亚尼斯·瓦鲁法基斯阐述了他对当前中美竞争性质的理解，以及他对中国如何反击美国遏制中美竞争的努力的建议。

遏制中国、扼杀中国是他们的共同点，他们只是在如何最好地做到这一点上意见不一，是通过乌克兰战争，还是像特朗普所说的那样，乌克兰战争和中国的骗局，非常感谢，感谢你们给我这个机会进行一次亲密的闭门讨论，这样我们就可以畅所欲言了，所以我要直奔主题，因为我的话题我认为是目前人类最紧迫的问题，美国对中国发动的新冷战，这不是共同的责任，这是华盛顿特区对中国发动冷战的决定，它始于唐纳德·特朗普，早在奥巴马政府时期就已经在酝酿，但在乔·拜登的领导下得到了成倍的加强，我之所以说这是人类最紧迫的问题，是因为我们正迅速走向核对抗的边缘，而美国当局明知故犯，制造了真正的核对抗，问题是为什么第一个问题，一旦我们进行了分析，当然还有第二个问题，同样重要的是，我们该怎么做呢？我非常乐意把美国和英国的记者，特别是作为宣传机器一部分的记者，你知道《金融时报》、《卫报》、《华盛顿邮报》将他们置于一个困难的境地，提出一个非常简单的问题，为什么美国要对中国宣布一场新的冷战，他们首先说的是台湾，我对他们说台湾怎么样，中国人想接管台湾，我说他们一直想接管台湾，有什么新鲜事，我的意思是，北京一直认为台湾是中国的一个省，在某个时候，他们会像香港一样承担责任，不是吗？理查德·尼克松在 1971 年访问北京与中国交朋友时知道吗？克林顿在将中国引入世界贸易组织时不知道吗？为什么台湾不是问题？现在发生了什么变化，他们看着我，哦，是的，中国在监视我们，美国国家安全局在监视你，我有 CI，这是事实，这条线知??道我们有美国国家安全局对我的手机进行三点监听，这三点意味着如果我和你说话，你就被监视了，如果你和你的妻子说话，你的妻子就是间谍，如果你的妻子和你的孩子说话，你就被监视了，你的孩子，我知道他们告诉过我，所以我不相信中国人在监视方面和美国国家安全局一样好，我的意思是美国国家安全局在监听德国总理安格拉·默克尔的谈话，这是被揭露的，然后你知道当安格拉·默克尔被告知这件事时，她立即说，好吧，你想让我说大声点，这样你就能听得更清楚，所以现在这不是问题，突然间中国正在开发监控技术，我希望中国正在开发监控方法，因为你知道，如果你被监视了，你需要反击，这是唯一的方法，我的一个好朋友，我对此感到非常自豪，这可能会让你们中的一些人感到震惊，他是维基解密的朱利安·阿桑奇，朱利安·阿桑奇是一个非常勇敢的人，他曾经对我说，呃，你会怎么对待B老大哥你能阻止老大哥吗？你所做的就是开发技术，这样当他监视你时，你也能监视他，所以反监视是应对监视的唯一方法，这样他们就知道你知道他们知道这对于保持任何程度的自治都是必不可少的，所以我希望中国正在发展其对抗美国国家安全局监视的能力，嗯，这是个笑话，我的意思是，当美国国家安全局的人听到《华尔街日报》的记者说新一轮 C 战争的原因是中国正在攻击美国时，他们笑得前仰后合，然后我听到其他愚蠢的答案，比如你知道中国人正在建造海军舰艇，他们正在投射海军力量，嗯，我会相信这一点，我的意思是，当然，你正在建造海军舰艇，你正在扩大你的经济，你正在扩大
你投射自己力量的能力，这是至关重要的，这是每个国家都必须做的，如果它尊重自己的利益，但当我看到圣地亚哥和洛杉矶外的中国船只和中国军事基地时，我会担心
中国帝国主义直到我们发现这是荒谬的
只要看看太平洋地图，你就会发现美国到处都有基地，为中国制造咽喉点，这是他们40年来的官方政策，他们竟然厚颜无耻地说中国是一个威胁，因为， 无论如何，中国已经浪费了足够多的时间在这些对新冷战的非解释上，现在你可能已经听说过，嗯，我不会提及他，但美国更老练的分析师会援引所谓的 FUSD 陷阱或因此诅咒它，用非常 V 的术语来说，如果你生活在一个无政府的世界里，如果你是一个孩子，一个男孩，你去上学，学校很粗暴，有很多恶霸，你应该成为最大和最卑鄙的恶霸，这是美国地缘政治愤世嫉俗的现实主义思想流派，美国在这个无政府的世界里，因为他们并不真正相信上帝，他们不相信上帝会帮助他们，他们认为他们必须成为世界上最卑鄙最大的恶霸，才能保卫自己作为一个国家的生存和繁荣，这将取决于他们欺负其他人的能力，以及防止任何变得过于自大的人成为同样大小的恶霸，他们会对你说，他们世界各地都有恶霸，比如日本帝国、德国帝国、苏联，而美国成功做到的是有效地消灭他们，消灭他们，让他们走开，现在中国正在崛起，中国是下一个，因此，对于这种经历，一场新的冷战，现在毫无疑问，美国的深层国家，我毫不怀疑，美国不是一个民主国家，它是一个寡头政治，选举为这个一党制国家继续存在提供了合法性，当我说一党制国家时，我的意思是一党制国家，呃，举个例子，维多利亚·纽，你可能熟悉这位华盛顿建制派的外交官，维多利亚·纽为比尔·克林顿工作，她为乔治·W·布什工作，她在克林顿手下工作，她在特朗普手下工作，毫无疑问，她将再次为 11 月获胜的人工作，维多利亚·纽就是美国单一国家深层国家的一个例子，现在，深层国家单一政党建制美国沿着两条线分裂不同的
相互冲突的观点，既不是对中国来说的好消息，也不是更聪明的
细致入微的思想，在学术界，芝加哥大学的非常聪明的人约翰·米默 (John M mimer) 代表了这种观点，他们非常批评华盛顿无法将注意力集中在必要的事情上，以及他们的过度扩张，他们认为美国正在过度扩张，所以他们非常批评美国在战争中的作用，首先是通过维多利亚和通过 2014 年针对当时乌克兰总统维克多·亚努科维奇的 kud 创造环境，他们创建了一个 kudeta，以便在种族上清洗乌克兰东部的俄语使用者，以激怒普京，在 2014 年对乌克兰发动第一阶段的战争，从而推动北约在斯堪的纳维亚半岛以及格鲁吉亚和乌克兰的扩张，所以这种务实的观点只是说我们不应该这样做是因为这样我们就会把俄罗斯推向中国的怀抱尼克松政府的全部目的是分裂苏联和中国，从而赢得冷战，所以他们批评乌克兰和以色列的支持，因为他们认为这只会迷惑美国的政策，它会在美国敌人之间建立联盟，比如俄罗斯和中国、伊朗和俄罗斯之间的联盟等等，这是愚蠢的政治，因为敌人是中国，中国需要被遏制，如果你问他们为什么中国需要被遏制，中国没有帝国主义的历史，中国绝对没有兴趣在美国墨西哥边境建立军事基地，把海军力量和专业力量带到圣地亚哥、洛杉矶或旧金山，中国不想要中国想要贸易，你知道他们说什么是的，我们同意，但如果我们让中国成为太平洋地区的区域超级大国，在自己的后院，如果我们允许中国在南海和印度洋地区占据主导地位海洋
那么中国将来就会开始尝试做我们已经做过的事情，他们
将成为西半球的一股帝国主义力量，对他们来说，美国人就是这样说的，他们明白中国不是帝国主义的，但他们担心，如果他们不通过印度尼西亚北部的咽喉要道来遏制中国，你知道
第一组岛屿，第二组岛屿，中国和菲律宾之间，那么中国
就会效仿美国，因此你最好通过扼杀中国来防止这种情况发生，所以这是一条论据，第二条论据是相反的论据，即美国必须是世界各地包括欧洲和乌克兰在内的欺凌者，例如，我曾听布什政府中位高权重的人说过，他在指挥链中位居很高布鲁塞尔的北约秘书长，一位美国共和党人，他对我说，我们需要扩大北约，这违背了欧洲人的利益，他显然违背了欧洲人的利益，我问他为什么，鲍勃，他说有三个原因，首先，因为我们必须在欧洲，美国，我们要保持自己，第一个原因，他告诉我，第二个原因，就是压制德国人，看看今天德国的电价，乌克兰战争的结果，德国的工业机器完蛋了，不仅仅是因为这个，这是原因之一，第三，为了把俄罗斯拒之门外，所以这是，如果你在华盛顿特区的权力走廊里，你会听到这样的讨论，遏制中国，扼杀中国是他们所有人的共同点，他们只是在如何最好地做到这一点上存在分歧，是通过乌克兰战争来实现的，还是像特朗普所说的那样，乌克兰战争和中国的骗局，到目前为止，我向你展示的，或多或少是任何曾经参与过的人的常识在华盛顿，在布鲁塞尔，和这些人交谈，和冷战战士交谈，和新冷战战士交谈，这是众所周知的，但我认为，我到目前为止给你讲的故事是不完整的，为什么克林顿政府和之后的布什政府在与中国的贸易上如此热衷，为什么他们不在20世纪90年代，也就是2000年，2004年，2005年，2008年对中国发动新冷战，为什么直到2014年左右，这个机构才决定对中国发动战争，不是因为他们，一种解释是，克林顿政府的人看不到中国会发展到如此大的程度，我不相信，我从不相信那些假设相关人员愚蠢的解释，我不相信这些人是愚蠢的，我不相信他们没有看到这一点，通过将美国制造业的一半转移到中国西海岸，对不起，中国东海岸你知道中国
不会发展壮大，他们知道这一点，他们为此而庆祝，我记得
多年来，人们一直说资本主义很棒，因为看看中国，它引入了
市场经济，然后他们就成为了超级大国，所以他们知道他们想要它，为什么他们现在不想要它，为什么
突然出现扼杀点和遏制，你知道，把靴子踩在他们脖子上，对我来说，真正改变的是什么
美国对中国发动新冷战的本质
顺便说一句，欧洲无关紧要，欧洲只是按照吩咐去做
欧洲不想对中国发动冷战，但你知道他们收到了来自
华盛顿特区的电子邮件，他们这样做违背了他们的利益，违背了他们的意愿，所以不要在乎
欧洲人，这是华盛顿，如果你
我们像亨利·基辛格这样的战略思想家，他现在已经死了，但你知道这是深思熟虑的美国
官员的例子，你真正担心的是什么，因为我提到了基辛格，让我先说一下，那是 1970 年，当时基辛格正在为尼克松总统工作，你还记得，他当时不是外交部长，也不是国务院官员，他是国家安全委员会主席，也是美国总统的国家安全顾问，他一生都是美国战略思想的缩影，一党制国家的思想，美国的深层政府，当他看到宏观经济统计数据时，他发现从 1968 年开始，美国自 1930 年代以来首次成为赤字国家，这是它历史上第一次成为赤字国家，因为它在竞标战争期间成为超级大国或重要大国，当然，自 1950 年代以来，它是唯一的经济超级大国，美国从一个贸易顺差国家滑落到贸易逆差，这孩子很担心，因为他知道从历史上看基辛格说，每一个从盈余变成赤字的帝国都开始衰落，所以他召集了国家安全委员会的人，问了他们一个简单的问题，既然我们是赤字国家，我们该怎么做才能保持我们的霸权，他说，让人们去思考这个问题，我希望你们每个人写半页纸，非常有趣，不是20页，半页，不是一页，半页，这就是基辛格的工作方式，这些人非常聪明，他们中的大多数人回来后给出了一个非常德国式的答案，如果我们有赤字，我们必须削减开支，我们必须提高利率等等，以减少进口，实现进出口平衡，消除我们的贸易赤字，一个人在他的半页纸上写下了这句话，我实际上是在15年前写一本书的过程中获得的rs 前打字写
打字了半页他说我们必须做什么我们必须将我们的赤字增加三倍我们的赤字我们有赤字这是不好的我们必须使它扩大三倍并让世界其他国家的资本家为此买单这正是发生的事情美国应该增加赤字并用它来创造对德国和日本以及后来的中国净出口的总需求因为美国的贸易赤字吸收了美国你的铝你的电动汽车赤字美元就像我一样你知道当人们问保罗·沃卡宁但这不会影响美元的价值他说不只要它是唯一的世界储备货币唯一有需求的货币人们需要它即使他们不想从生产它的国家购买任何东西印刷它所以如果你今天是一个与红发人相当的人那么你就知道为什么美国如此霸权为什么它能够承受成为世界大欺凌是因为支付系统的垄断，让我给你举个例子，呃，当我们在中国进行这次谈话时，特朗普当选，因为他非常讨厌奥巴马，他想推翻奥巴马非常自豪的东西，奥巴马对两件事感到非常自豪，那就是奥巴马医改和西方与伊朗就伊朗核计划达成的协议，以及终止制裁，这是伊朗、美国和整个欧盟热情签署的，特朗普想要摧毁这项协议，只是因为他讨厌奥巴马，所以他拿起与伊朗的协议，把它撕毁，德国总理安格拉·默克尔非常恼火，因为她和奥巴马一起努力促成了与伊朗的协议，她德国企业已经在伊朗进行谈判进入伊朗，伊朗是一个充满机遇的土地，多年来对像德国这样的大型企业集团实施了制裁，特别是在能源、消费品和汽车制造方面他们都准备好了加入，特朗普说不，默克尔出来了
并举行了针对美国总统的新闻发布会，这是史无前例的，并不经常发生，她说我不知道??美国会怎么做，我们尊重
他们的意见和立场，但德国将维持与伊朗的和平协议，德国企业将继续在这项国际协议的基础上在伊朗做生意，我们将在 12 小时内履行这项协议，每个德国企业集团的首席执行官都站出来表示，不是我们，我们不加入，我们退出，我们将跟随美国人
为什么这真的很简单，因为他们依赖于他们对美国的净出口，特朗普政府威胁他们，他们不会从减税中受益，特朗普带来的企业税削减
他对他们说，你想从他们那里受益，就不要在伊朗做生意，你想保持对美元支付系统的使用权，不要与伊朗做生意，所以德国国会集团在德国总理举行新闻发布会的第二天，德国领导人转而反对她
实际上是在说对不起，总理，我们将与特朗普总统站在一起，违背他们在伊朗和欧洲的经济利益，这正是他们现在正在做的事情，你知道美国和乌克兰联手轰炸北溪管道，每周给德国工业造成数十亿美元的损失
你听过德国工业说什么吗？什么也没有，因为他们依赖美国的贸易逆差
但这整件事让美国的贸易逆差像吸尘器一样运转，吸进美国的德国、法国、日本和中国的净出口，你需要美元来保持垄断地位，垄断交易体系，因为只有交易垄断，美国人才能继续没有资金的赤字
然后你看看我所说的美国和中国的云资本的崛起
云资本我说的是算法资本，大科技就是建立在算法资本之上的，这是一种新的资本形式，因为与其他形式的资本不同，总是一种生产资料一种生产出来的生产资料
机器人、拖拉机是你为了生产其他东西而生产的东西这不是一种生产资料
这是一种生产手段一种人工行为修改手段这就是阿里巴巴这就是抖音这就是10cent这就是亚马逊
谷歌Facebook等等它们是创造非市场平台的资本品看起来像市场但不是市场允许云资本的所有者将我们带入买家作为卖家、影响者、舆论制造者、娱乐消费者，并向我们所有人收取租金，这是云资本的所有权赋予云资本所有者的巨大权力，现在世界上有两个国家拥有大量集中的云资本，一个是美国，另一个是中国，你们之所以在这里拥有它，是因为你禁止了硅谷，欧洲没有禁止硅谷，所以我们都依赖谷歌、Facebook 元所有这些，我们没有开发自己的云资本，所以那里有美国云资本，中国云资本，中国云资本比美国云资本有优势，这是你必须明白的，不是因为我的意思是你的技术并不比美国人好，在某些方面你已经超越了美国的能力，但在其他方面，美国人比你更大、更好、更快，不，这不是你的技术优势，而是政治优势和组织优势，在中国，中国人民银行，中国中央银行控制着美国的银行家银行家控制着中央银行，他们拥有中央银行，他们创建了中央银行
美国中央银行，美联储是由 JB Morgan 创建的，而不是
相反，好吧，了解我们国家和美国之间的制度差异很重要
美国是一个非常非常奇怪的地方，所以云资本硅谷
美国的金融业不合作，Apple pay 存在，Google pay
存在，所以就像我们一样，你可以通过 Apple pay 支付，但其中很大一部分钱会作为租金流向华尔街，所以
存在一种阶级战争，或者说是阶级战争
在西海岸的华尔街和西海岸的云资本之间，他们正在发生冲突，这种冲突不会发生在中国，因为你们的金融部门
和你们的大型科技或云资本部门都在共产党的领导下，我非常诚实和坦率地告诉你，
这是件好事，这是一个优势，但如果你坐在华盛顿，
特别是在乌克兰战争之后，特别是在你的中央银行创建数字货币之后一、数字技术是一项了不起的发明，你应该珍惜它，你应该使用它，你应该发展它，我们讨论过如何做到这一点，你的国家已经为金钱建造了一条数字超级高速公路，它比摇摇欲坠的道路要先进得多，那就是美元之路，因为今天超级高速公路没有使用，就像你知道，想象一下你在这里有过这样的经历，你修建了一条两边各有五条车道的高速公路，但路上没有多少车，这就是现在你的数字支付系统正在发生的事情，而美国的道路非常古老，到处都是坑坑洼洼，只有两条车道，而不是五条车道，交通繁忙，因为所有的资本主义利润和贸易都是通过那条旧公路上的交易来融资的，但已经有人从美国高速公路迁移到中国超级高速公路，这是从俄罗斯人开始的，这就是乌克兰的战争，如果你是沙特阿拉伯人，好吧，你是沙特阿拉伯寡头，你的大部分生意都是和美国做的，你知道你爱你的美元，但你在想这些人，美国人没收了俄罗斯的 4000 亿美元，因为他们不喜欢俄罗斯人，不管是什么，也许俄罗斯人应得的，这并不重要，我在这里没有提出道德观点，好吧，你认为你是沙特阿拉伯人，我自己也不是一个很好的人，也许他们明天不会喜欢我，也许我明天会做一些事情来惹恼他们，也许他们会参与我的 d 对吧，所以我为什么不把一些钱分散一下，我会通过中国人修建的高速公路进行交易，你为什么认为沙特阿拉伯有兴趣加入砖块，这就是原因，没有其他原因，这就是原因，现在回到你正在看的那个，你认为这些中国人修建的这条高速公路对我的德国是一个明显而现实的危险，这就是为什么他们有筹码行动，因为他们想减少你投资这条高速公路的能力，并让它对其他所有人都有吸引力，这就是为什么他们创造扼杀任何外部人士的情况，美国想与中国进行贸易因为他们不想要这条高速公路，所以不是中国变得更大，不是中国在进行间谍活动，不是台湾，而是中国已经建立了基于数字云资本的支付高速公路，这对美元支付系统的垄断是一个明显而巨大的危险，而美元支付系统的垄断是美国霸权的唯一原因，所以问题是我们该怎么做，请允许我很快说四件事，然后我停止这个，然后我们可以进一步讨论，你需要做的第一件事是你必须减少对美国贸易赤字的依赖，但请允许我作为一名微观经济学家说，你只能这样做，如果你增加这个国家的工资份额，这些钱最终会落入工人阶级、小人物和这个国家的中产阶级的口袋，因为从微观经济的角度来说，在五年计划下，不可能在不依赖美国贸易赤字的情况下，对制造业进行必要的投资，以实现五年计划的增长率，维持这种投资和保持增长率的唯一方法是在不依赖美国贸易赤字的情况下，通过提高国内总需求，有简单的方法可以做到这一点，你的数字支付系统就是其中一种方式，如果你愿意的话，我可以稍后再讨论，这是你需要做的第一件事，减少对美国贸易赤字的依赖，其次，你需要通过软实力来吸引当地社区，在埃塞俄比亚建造工厂或一些基础设施或一些能源中心或者在纳米比亚，或者

任何有助于当地国家发展的地方，但你必须与当地社区互动，你必须接受，是的，你必须

记住，纳米比亚、刚果、埃塞俄比亚都存在阶级冲突，当地

统治阶级正在摧毁当地工人阶级和中国人的前景，我知道你不想干涉政党政治，但

你必须让纳米比亚人民明白，中国、中国企业和中国存在是他们的盟友，而不是寡头政治的盟友，这就是你赢得非洲人心的方法，你需要在欧洲做同样的事情，因为在欧洲，保守派正努力让欧洲人民反对中国人，就像纯粹的种族主义、仇外心理、东方主义等等，正是那些让意大利人、希腊人、法国人、德国人反对中国人的人，本质上就是在努力

减少德国人和法国人的生活前景意大利人和希腊人，所以当例如 Costco 进入福斯港时，我知道他们管理港口比希腊人更好，我知道那里腐败现象减少了，我知道港口工人的工作条件现在更好了，但 Costco 犯了一个错误，没有参与社区关系，这是第三件事，好吧，嗯，第四件事，美国的软实力，我们必须一起思考，我说我们我不是中国人，但我有兴趣结束冷战，因为避免核对抗符合人类的利益，其次是找到一种沟通和合作的方式来结束人类快速走向气候灾难的进程，没有合作就不可能发生，我们无法成功拯救我们的星球，所以这就是为什么我说我们与美国进步人士接触很重要，比如我给你举个例子，美国的民主社会主义者在美国变得相当有影响力，他们中的许多人都是我的朋友就像伯尼·桑德斯一样，他们被建制派卷入了
反华思维，让他们回来很重要，因为他们不明白贸易战是阶级战争，如果你这样对他们说，如果我们这样对他们说，他们就有可能理解，一旦你对中国发动贸易战，美国工人阶级就会受到影响，一些工作可能会通过关税来挽救，如果他们重新创造一些制造业工作，但那是行不通的，那是行不通的，这不是你知道你阻止几辆比亚迪汽车进入美国，俄亥俄州就会突然出现更多制造业工作的情况，那是愚蠢的，但我们需要说服美国的进步人士，他们的利益在于缓和美国和中国之间的新冷战，谢谢

How China Can Win the Cold War with the U.S., Here are Four Suggestions | Yanis Varoufakis

Thinkers Forum 2024年11月15日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsAa_94dao&t=59s
  
In this more than 30-minute speech, former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis elaborated on his understanding of the nature of the current U.S.-China competition, as well as his suggestions on how China can counter U.S. efforts to contain it.

the containment of China the choking of China is common ground for all of them they simply disagree on how to do it best whether to do it through the war in Ukraine or As Trump suggests and the war in Ukraine and con of China well thank you so much and thank
you for this opportunity to have um an intimate closed door discussion so that
um we can speak freely so I'm going to cut to the chase because my topic I think is the most uh pressing issue for Humanity at the moment the new cold war that the United States
Unleashed against China this is not a shared responsibility it is a decision by Washington DC to unleash a cold war against China it started with Donald Trump it was already in the making from the Obama Administration but it has been reinforced exponentially under Joe Biden and the reason why I'm saying that this is the most pressing issue for Humanity is because we are being quick marched towards the precipice of a nuclear confrontation that the United States authorities knowingly are making a real
possibility and the question is why the first question and once we go through the analysis then of course the second question and of equal importance is so what do we do about it I enjoy very much placing American and British in particular journalists who are part of this propaganda machine you know Financial Times Guardian Washington
Post placing them in the difficult position with a very simple question why
why is the United States declaring essentially a new Cold War against CH
China and the first the first the first word that comes out of their mouth is
Taiwan and I said to them what about Taiwan said well the Chinese want to take it over well I said they always wanted to take it over what's new I mean it was
always the position of Beijing that Taiwan is a province of China and at
some point they will have to fall under the fault like Hong Kong did didn't
Richard Nixon know that in 1971 when he was visiting Beijing making friends with China didn't Clinton know that when he was inducting China into the World Trade Organization why wasn't Taiwan a problem then what has changed now they they look
at me oh yeah well China is spying on us the NSA spying on you the CI I have and
that is the truth and the line knows this we have a three-point NSA tap on me
my phone that is three points means that if I talk to you you spied on if you
talk to your wife your wife is spy don't if your wife talks to your child your spy your your child so I I know that they've told me that so I don't believe the Chinese are as good as the NSA at spying I mean the NSA was listening in to Chancellor Angela Merkel this was revealed and then you know when Angela Merkel was told that immediately she said okay do you want me to speak louder so you can hear hear me better so it wasn't a problem right now suddenly that China is developing surveillance and I hope China is developing
surveillance methods because you know if if you're being spied on you need to spy back on it's the only way my one of my great friends and I'm very proud of that that may shock some of you is Julian Assange of WikiLeaks and Julian Assange a very brave man said to me once uh that what do you do with B Big Brother how do you stop Big Brother well what you do is you develop the technology so that you spy on him while he's spying on you so counter surveillance is the only way of dealing with surveillance so that they
know that you know that they know this is essential for maintaining any degree
of autonomy so I hope China is developing its capacity to counter the surveillance of the
NSA um and it's a joke I mean the people in the NSA are laughing the heads off
when they hear journalists from The Wall Street Journal saying that the reason for the new C war is that China is fing
on the on the Americans and then I hear other idiotic answers like you know the
the Chinese are building Naval vessels uh they are projecting Naval power well
I will believe this I mean of course you're building Naval vessels you're expanding your economy you're expanding
your capacity to um project your own power that is essential that's what
every every country must do if it respects its own interests but I'm going to be worried
about Chinese imperialism when I see
Chinese vessels outside San Diego and Los Angeles and Chinese army
bases next to El Paso on the US Mexican border until we see that it is ludicrous
you just look at the map of the Pacific and you see American bases everywhere
creating choke points for China and this is their official policy for 40 years and they have the audacity to say that
China is a threat because China is anyway enough time wasted on these non-
explanations of the new Cold War now you may have heard of um well I won't
mention him yet the more sophisticated analysts in the United States would
invoke the so-called FUSD trap or thusi curse that to put it in very um V terms
if you live in an anarchic world if you are a child a boy and you go to school
with a very rough school and there are lots of bullies you should be the biggest and
nastiest bully that is the cynical realist school of thought of American
geopolitics that America in this anarchic world because they don't really believe in God they don't believe that
it's a God that will help them they think that they must be the nastiest biggest bully in the world in order to
defend themselves their survival as a nation and their prosperity will depend on their capacity to bully everybody
else and from preventing anyone who is getting too big for their boots to become an equally sized bully and they
will say to you that they wear bullies around the world like for instance Imperial Japan Imperial Germany the
Soviet Union and what the United states have succeeded in doing is effectively
eliminating them annihilating them getting them out of the way and that now China is rising China is next and
therefore for that experience a new Cold War now there's no doubt that the Deep
state in the United States I make no mistake the United States is not a democracy it's an oligarchy with
elections that are providing the legitimacy for this one party state to
continue to exist and when I say one party State I mean one party State uh
take for instance Victoria newand you may be familiar with this Diplomat of the
Washington establishment Victoria nand worked for Bill Clinton she worked for
George W bush she worked under Clinton she worked under Trump and no
doubt she was going to work again for whoever wins in November Victoria nand is an example of
the single state deep state of the United States now that deep State single
party establishment United States is split along the line of two different
conflicting views neither which of which is good news for
China there is the the more intelligent
nuanced line of thinking that which in Academia is uh represented by that very
intelligent man from the University of Chicago John M mimer the view is this
they they are very critical of the inability of
Washington to focus Fus on what is necessary and
their overreach they think that the United States is overreaching so they
are very critical of the war of the United States role in firstly through
Victoria nand creating the circumstances through the kud against Victor yanukovich the
then president of Ukraine in 2014 they created a kudeta in
order ethnically to cleanse Russian speakers from the Eastern side of
Ukraine in order to provoke Putin into
the first stage of war in 2014 against Ukraine so as to push for NATO expansion
in uh Scandinavia and of course Georgia
and Ukraine and so this pragmatic Viewpoint simply says that we shouldn't
be doing this because that way we we are pushing Russia into the arms of
China the whole point of the Nixon Administration was to split the Soviet
Union from China and therefore win the Cold War so they're
critical of the support of Ukraine and of
Israel because they think that this simply disorient the United States
policy it creates alliances amongst Americans enemies like alliances between
Russia and China Iran and Russia and so on and that this is silly politics
because the enemy is China and China needs to be contained and if you ask them why does China need to be
contained China doesn't have a history of imperialism China has absolutely no interest in uh building military bases
on the US Mexican border in taking you know Naval power and Pro in it to San
Diego or Los Angeles or San Francisco China doesn't want that China wants to trade you know what they say yes we
agree but if we let China become a regional
superpower in the Pacific area in its own area in its backyard if we allow
China for instance to become dominant in the South China Sea and in the Indian Ocean
then China in the future will start trying to do what we have done and they
will become an imperialistic force in the western hemisphere which for them is
the Americans this is what they say they understand that China is not imperialistic but they fear that if they
do not contain China through choke points just north of Indonesia you know
the first array of islands the second array of islands between China and the Philippines and so then China
will emulate the United States and therefore you better prevent that by
choking China today so that's one line line of argument the second line of
argument is the opposite argument that the United States must be a bully
everywhere all over the world including in Europe including the Ukraine and that
for instance I I have been told that by somebody who was very high up in the Bush
Administration and who was very high up in the chain of command of NATO in Brussels an American Republican he said
to me that we need to expand NATO against the interest of of the Europeans he was clear against the
interest of the Europeans and I said to him Bob why he said because of three reasons first because we must be in
Europe the United States we to keep ourselves in number one reason he gave
me number two to keep the Germans down look at the price of electricity in
Germany today as a result of the war in Ukraine the German industrial machine is finished kaput as a result not just of
that but that is one of the reasons and thirdly to keep the Russ out so this is
you know if you were in the corridors of power in Washington DC this is the discussion you would hear
the containment of China the choking of China is common ground for all of them they
simply disagree on how to do it best whether to do it through the war in Ukraine or As Trump suggests and the war
in Ukraine and con of China well this so far what I have presented to you is more
or less common knowledge amongst anyone who's ever been in Washington been in
Brussels spoken to these people to the cold Warriors to the new cold Warriors this is common knowledge but I think
that that story that I've given you so far is incomplete why did the Clinton
Administration and the Bush Administration after that were so gangho about trading with China why did they
not start the new Cold War against China in the 1990s in the year 2000 in
2004 2005 200 8 why was it only around
2014 that this establishment decided to unleash the war against China it's not that they one explanation is that the
Clinton Administration people could not see that China would develop to the extent that China developed that it
would become so big I don't believe that I never believe explanations which
presume the stupidity of the people involved I don't believe that these people were stupid and I don't believe
that they didn't see that by shifting half of American manufacturing to the
West Coast of China sorry to the east coast of China that you know that China
would not grow and develop they knew it they were celebrating it I remember you
know for years hearing that you know capitalism is fantastic because look at China the moment it introduced the
market economy so and they become a superpower so they knew it that they wanted it why don't they want it now why
is it suddenly choking points and containment and you know putting a boot
on their neck what what really changed for
me the essence of the pursuit of a new Cold War
against China by the United States by the way Europe is irrelevant Europe is
simply doing as it's told Europe doesn't want to unleash a cold war against China but you know they get the email from
Washington DC do it and they do it against their interest and against their wishes so don't care about the the
Europeans it's Washington if you
we somebody like you know a strategic thinker like
Henry Kissinger who is now dead but you know this is the example of the deep thinking American
official what would you really be worried about since I mentioned Kissinger let
me stick to him for a moment the year was
1970 Kissinger at the time who was working for President Nixon you'll
recall was not the foreign minister was not in the is the state department yet
he was the head of the National Security Council and he was the National Security advisor to the American president and he
was the epitome all his life of American strategic thinking the thinking of that
one party State the Deep state of the United States being a smart man when he
saw the macroeconomic statistics and he saw that from 1968 from 1968 onwards America for the
first time since the 1930s had become a deficit country for
the first time in its history since it became a superpower or an important power in the bid War period and
certainly since the 1950s when it was the only superpower in terms of economic
superpower the United States slipped from being a surplus country from having a surplus in its trade balance uh to
having a deficit and kid was worried because he knew that historically speaking
every Empire that went from being a surplus to a deficit economic entity
started fading so he got together his people at the National Security Council and he
asked them a simple question how should we what should we do in order to retain our
hegemony now that we are a deficit country and he said to the people go
away and think about it and I want from each one of you half a page of a
note very interesting right not 20 Pages half a page not a page half a page this
is how Kissinger worked and these were very smart people right most of them
came back and gave a very Germanic answer if we have a deficit we must cut
down expenditure we must increase uh interest rates and so on and so forth in
order to reduce Imports and bring about a balance between exports and imports to
eliminate our trade deficit one man in his half a page which
I actually acquired in the process of writing a book 15 years ago typ written
a typewritten half a page he said what we must do we must treble our
deficit treble our deficit we have a deficit which is bad we must make it three times as big and make the
capitalists of the rest of the world pay for it which is exactly what happened the
United States should increase its deficit and use it to create aggregate
demand for the net exports of Germany and Japan and later on China because it
is the trade deficit of the United States that sucks into the United States
your aluminum your electric vehicles deficit dollars like I
us and you know when people ask Paul vulkanen but will that not affect the
value of the dollar he said no not as long as it is the only World Reserve currency the only
currency that has demand people demand it even if they don't want to buy anything from the country which is
producing it which is printing it so if you are today somebody of a mind
comparable to gingers then you know that the reason why the
United States is so hegemonic why it can afford to be the big bully around the world is because of
the Monopoly of the payment system and let me give you an example which I gave
uh when we with way way were having this conversation at China today China now
China now now today um when Trump was
elected because he hated Obama so deeply he wanted to take down something that Obama was very proud of Obama was very
proud of two things Obamacare and the agreement between the
west and Iran over the nuclear program of Iran and the ending of the sanctions
which was signed by Iran by the United States and by the whole of the European Union enthusiastically
and Trump wanted to destroy that agreement just because he hated Obama so he takes the agreement with Iran and
tees it up tears it up the chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel was very annoyed
because she had worked very hard together with Obama to bring about that
agreement with Iran and she German businesses were
already in negotiations in Iran to enter Iran Iran is a land of opportunity after
so many years of sanctions for large conglomerates like the German ones especially when it came to energy to
Consumer products to car manufacturing they were all ready to get in and Trump says no Merkel comes out
and gives a press conference against the president of the United States this is unprecedented that doesn't happen
often and she says I do not know what the United States will do we respect
their opinion and their position position but Germany is going to maintain the agreement the peace
agreement with Iran and German businesses will continue to do business in Iran on the basis of this
International agreement which we are going to fulfill and which we are going to honor within 12 hours every single
CEO of every German conglomerate came out and said not us we're not in we're out we will follow the Americans
why it's really very simple because they depended on their net exports to the
United States and the Trump Administration threatened them that they
would not benefit from the tax cuts the corporate the the reductions in the corporate tax that Trump was bringing in
he said to them you want to benefit from them no business in Iran you want to maintain your access to the dollar
payment system no business with Iran so the German Cong con glomerate leaders
turned against the German Chancellor the day after she gave a press conference
effectively saying sorry Chancellor we are going with President Trump on this against their own Financial interests in
Iran and in Europe which is exactly what they're doing now you know the United States together with Ukraine bomb the
pipeline northstream one that costs billions every week for German industry
have you heard a German industry say anything nothing because they are dependent on the American trade deficit
but this whole thing for the trade deficit of the United States to function
as a vacuum cleaner that sucks into the United States the net exports of Germany
of France of Japan and of China you need the dollar to
remain the Monopoly the monopolistic transaction system because it is only
the monop of transactions that allows the Americans to
continue with unfinanced unfunded deficits
then you look at the rise of what I call Cloud capital in the United States and
China by Cloud Capital I'm talking about what lives in here the algorithmic capital on which
big Tech is built which is a new form of capital because unlike like other forms
of capital which are always a means of production a produced means of
production a robot a tractor is something you produce to produce something else this is not a produced
means of production it's a produced means an artificial means of Behavioral
modification that's what Alibaba is that's what Tik Tok is that is what 10cent is that is what of course Amazon
Google Facebook and so on they are capital goods that create nonm
markets platforms that look like markets but are not markets which allow the
owner of that cloud Capital to bring us in as buyers as Sellers as influencers
as opinion makers as simply consumers of entertainment and charge all of us a
form of rent that's enormous power that the ownership of this Cloud Capital
confers to the owners of cloud Capital now there are two countries in the world
that have a lot of concentrated Cloud Capital One is the United States and the other is China and the reason why you
have it here is because you banned Silicon Valley Europe didn't ban Silicon Valley so we all depend on Google
Facebook meta all that and we didn't develop our own cloud Capital so there's American Cloud Capital there Chinese
Capital Cloud Capital Chinese Cloud Capital has an advantage over American Cloud Capital this is something you've
got to understand not so much because I mean your technology is not better than the
Americans in some things you have gone beyond American capabilities but in
other things the Americans are bigger and better and faster than you are at this stage no it's not a technological
advantage that you have it is a political advantage and an organizational advantage here in
China The People's Bank the Central Bank of China controls the bankers in the
United States the bankers control the central bank they own the central bank they created the Central Bank the
Central Bank of the United States the Federal Reserve was created by JB Morgan it was not the
other way around okay it's important to understand the institutional differences between our countries and the United
States the United States is a very very strange place so Cloud Capital Silicon Valley in the
United States and finance don't work together Apple pay exists Google pay
exists so like wej you can pay through Apple pay but a large segment of that money goes to Wall Street as a rent so
there is a class like something like class war between or a fudal l war
between the fom of Wall Street on the West CO east coast and the fom of cloud
capital on the west coast they're clashing that Clash doesn't happen in China because both your Finance sector
and your big Tech or Cloud Capital sector are under the Communist party I'm being very honest and Frank with you and
that's a good thing that is an advantage but if you sitting in Washington
especially after the war in Ukraine especially after your Central Bank created the digital one
the digital one is a fantastic invention you should treasure it and you should use it and you should develop it and we
have discussions about how to do this your country has built a digital Super
Highway for money which is much much more advanced than the rickety road that is the
American dollar road cuz today that super wi highway is not used it's like
you know imagine you have you've had this experience here you build a highway five Lanes each side but not many cars
are going on it that's what's happening now with your digital payment system and
the American road which is very old full of poth holes two lanes not five it's
full of traffic because all the capitalist profits and trade is being
financed through transactions on that old highway but already there's a
migration from the American Highway to the Chinese Super Highway it started
with Russians that's what the Ukraine wared and then if you're a Saudi
Arabian okay you're a Saudi Arabian an oligarch you do most of your business
with the United States you you know you love your dollars but you're thinking these people the Americans confiscated
400 billion of the Russians money because they didn't like the Russians
for whatever it is maybe the Russians deserve it doesn't matter I'm not making an ethical Point here okay you think
you're Saudi Arabian I'm not a very good person myself maybe they will not like me tomorrow maybe I will do something to
annoy them tomorrow maybe they will take part of my d right so why don't I diversify some of that money I will
transact through the Super Highway that the Chinese have built why do you think Saudi Arabia is interested in joining the bricks that's the reason there's no
other reason that is the reason now go back to what you're looking at that and you think this super highway that these
Chinese have built is a clear and present danger to my Germany that's why they have the chips
act because they want to reduce Your Capacity to invest in this super highway
and make it attractive for everybody else this is why they are creating circumstances of choking anyone outside
the United States wants to trade with China because they don't want this Super Highway way so it's not that China is
getting bigger it is not that China is spying it is not Taiwan it is that China
has built a digital Cloud Capital based super highway for payments which is a
clear and prais danger to the Monopoly of the dollar payment system which is the only reason why the United States is
hegemonic so the question is what do we do about that allow me just to say four things very quickly and then I stop this
and then we can take this up further the first thing you need to do is you must
reduce your dependency on the American trade deficit but allow me as a microeconomist to say that you can only
do this is if you increase the weage
share in this country the amount of money which is essentially ending up in
the pockets of the working class the working class and the petty Bui and the middle class in this country because
micro economically speaking it is impossible under the Cent 5year plan to
have the degree of investment in manufacturing that is
necessary in order to meet the growth rates of the 5year plan without depending on the American
trade deficit the only way of maintaining this investment and maintaining the growth rate without
dependency of the American trade deficit is by boosting aggregate demand domestically and there are simple ways
of doing that and your digital payment system is a way of doing it I can
discuss this later if you want that's number one thing you need to do reduce your dependency of the American trade deficit secondly you need to
appeal through soft power through
engagement with the local communities in the global south building a factory or
some infrastructure or some some energy Hub in Ethiopia or in Namibia or
wherever it contributes to the development of the local country but you've got to engage with the local community you have to take yeah you have
to remember your marks that there is class conflict happening in Namibia in the Congo in Ethiopia and the local
ruling class is destroying the prospects of the local working class and the
Chinese I know you don't want to interfere in a party political level but
you have to gr you the people of Namibia must understand that China and Chinese
business and the Chinese presence are their allies not the allies of their oligarchy that's how you win hearts and
Minds in Africa you need to do the same in Europe because in Europe there is a
conservative effort to turn the people of Europe against the Chinese along the lines of pure racism
xenophobia orientalism and so on the same people who are turning the the the
Italians the Greeks the French the Germans against the Chinese are the people who are essentially working
towards the diminution of the life prospects of the Germans the French the
Italians and the Greeks so when for instance Costco entered the port of fos
I know it that they run the port better than the Greeks did I know that there is less corrup corruption and I know that
the work the conditions of the workers in the port are better now but cost made a mistake by not engaging in community
relations that's um the third thing okay um and the fourth
thing soft power within the United States we must think to together and I
say we I'm not Chinese but I have an interest in ending the Cold
War uh because it is in the interest of humanity to avoid firstly nuclear
confrontation and secondly to find a way of communicating and collaborating to end
the very fast March of humanity towards a climate catastrophe without
cooperation it can't happen we cannot succeed in saving our planet so this is
why I'm saying we it is important to approach American progressors like I
give you an example the Democratic socialists of America who are becoming have become rather
influential in the United States many of them are my friends people like Bernie Sanders they have been sucked into the
anti-chinese mindset by The Establishment it is important to bring them
back because they don't understand that trade Wars are class Wars if you put it
to them that way if we put it to them that way there's a chance that they will understand it that the moment you have a
trade War being imposed on China the American working class is going to suffer some jobs may be saved through
tariffs if they recreate some manufacturing job but that won't work
that is not going to work it is not a situation where you know you stop a few
byd cars from coming to the United States and suddenly there will be more manufacturing jobs in Ohio that is
idiocy but we need to convince the progressives in the United States that
they interests are in deescalate the new cold war between United States and China
thank you

How China Can Win the Cold War with the U.S., Here are Four Suggestions | Yanis Varoufakis

Thinkers Forum 2024年11月15日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsAa_94dao&t=59s
中国如何打赢与美国的冷战，这里有四点建议 | 亚尼斯·瓦鲁法基斯

思想者论坛 2024年11月15日
在这场长达30多分钟的演讲中，希腊前财政部长亚尼斯·瓦鲁法基斯阐述了他对当前中美竞争性质的理解，以及他对中国如何反击美国遏制中美竞争的努力的建议。

遏制中国、扼杀中国是他们的共同点，他们只是在如何最好地做到这一点上意见不一，是通过乌克兰战争，还是像特朗普所说的那样，乌克兰战争和中国的骗局，非常感谢，感谢你们给我这个机会进行一次亲密的闭门讨论，这样我们就可以畅所欲言了，所以我要直奔主题，因为我的话题我认为是目前人类最紧迫的问题，美国对中国发动的新冷战，这不是共同的责任，这是华盛顿特区对中国发动冷战的决定，它始于唐纳德·特朗普，早在奥巴马政府时期就已经在酝酿，但在乔·拜登的领导下得到了成倍的加强，我之所以说这是人类最紧迫的问题，是因为我们正迅速走向核对抗的边缘，而美国当局明知故犯，制造了真正的核对抗，问题是为什么第一个问题，一旦我们进行了分析，当然还有第二个问题，同样重要的是，我们该怎么做呢？我非常乐意把美国和英国的记者，特别是作为宣传机器一部分的记者，你知道《金融时报》、《卫报》、《华盛顿邮报》将他们置于一个困难的境地，提出一个非常简单的问题，为什么美国要对中国宣布一场新的冷战，他们首先说的是台湾，我对他们说台湾怎么样，中国人想接管台湾，我说他们一直想接管台湾，有什么新鲜事，我的意思是，北京一直认为台湾是中国的一个省，在某个时候，他们会像香港一样承担责任，不是吗？理查德·尼克松在 1971 年访问北京与中国交朋友时知道吗？克林顿在将中国引入世界贸易组织时不知道吗？为什么台湾不是问题？现在发生了什么变化，他们看着我，哦，是的，中国在监视我们，美国国家安全局在监视你，我有 CI，这是事实，这条线知??道我们有美国国家安全局对我的手机进行三点监听，这三点意味着如果我和你说话，你就被监视了，如果你和你的妻子说话，你的妻子就是间谍，如果你的妻子和你的孩子说话，你就被监视了，你的孩子，我知道他们告诉过我，所以我不相信中国人在监视方面和美国国家安全局一样好，我的意思是美国国家安全局在监听德国总理安格拉·默克尔的谈话，这是被揭露的，然后你知道当安格拉·默克尔被告知这件事时，她立即说，好吧，你想让我说大声点，这样你就能听得更清楚，所以现在这不是问题，突然间中国正在开发监控技术，我希望中国正在开发监控方法，因为你知道，如果你被监视了，你需要反击，这是唯一的方法，我的一个好朋友，我对此感到非常自豪，这可能会让你们中的一些人感到震惊，他是维基解密的朱利安·阿桑奇，朱利安·阿桑奇是一个非常勇敢的人，他曾经对我说，呃，你会怎么对待B老大哥你能阻止老大哥吗？你所做的就是开发技术，这样当他监视你时，你也能监视他，所以反监视是应对监视的唯一方法，这样他们就知道你知道他们知道这对于保持任何程度的自治都是必不可少的，所以我希望中国正在发展其对抗美国国家安全局监视的能力，嗯，这是个笑话，我的意思是，当美国国家安全局的人听到《华尔街日报》的记者说新一轮 C 战争的原因是中国正在攻击美国时，他们笑得前仰后合，然后我听到其他愚蠢的答案，比如你知道中国人正在建造海军舰艇，他们正在投射海军力量，嗯，我会相信这一点，我的意思是，当然，你正在建造海军舰艇，你正在扩大你的经济，你正在扩大
你投射自己力量的能力，这是至关重要的，这是每个国家都必须做的，如果它尊重自己的利益，但当我看到圣地亚哥和洛杉矶外的中国船只和中国军事基地时，我会担心
中国帝国主义直到我们发现这是荒谬的
只要看看太平洋地图，你就会发现美国到处都有基地，为中国制造咽喉点，这是他们40年来的官方政策，他们竟然厚颜无耻地说中国是一个威胁，因为， 无论如何，中国已经浪费了足够多的时间在这些对新冷战的非解释上，现在你可能已经听说过，嗯，我不会提及他，但美国更老练的分析师会援引所谓的 FUSD 陷阱或因此诅咒它，用非常 V 的术语来说，如果你生活在一个无政府的世界里，如果你是一个孩子，一个男孩，你去上学，学校很粗暴，有很多恶霸，你应该成为最大和最卑鄙的恶霸，这是美国地缘政治愤世嫉俗的现实主义思想流派，美国在这个无政府的世界里，因为他们并不真正相信上帝，他们不相信上帝会帮助他们，他们认为他们必须成为世界上最卑鄙最大的恶霸，才能保卫自己作为一个国家的生存和繁荣，这将取决于他们欺负其他人的能力，以及防止任何变得过于自大的人成为同样大小的恶霸，他们会对你说，他们世界各地都有恶霸，比如日本帝国、德国帝国、苏联，而美国成功做到的是有效地消灭他们，消灭他们，让他们走开，现在中国正在崛起，中国是下一个，因此，对于这种经历，一场新的冷战，现在毫无疑问，美国的深层国家，我毫不怀疑，美国不是一个民主国家，它是一个寡头政治，选举为这个一党制国家继续存在提供了合法性，当我说一党制国家时，我的意思是一党制国家，呃，举个例子，维多利亚·纽，你可能熟悉这位华盛顿建制派的外交官，维多利亚·纽为比尔·克林顿工作，她为乔治·W·布什工作，她在克林顿手下工作，她在特朗普手下工作，毫无疑问，她将再次为 11 月获胜的人工作，维多利亚·纽就是美国单一国家深层国家的一个例子，现在，深层国家单一政党建制美国沿着两条线分裂不同的
相互冲突的观点，既不是对中国来说的好消息，也不是更聪明的
细致入微的思想，在学术界，芝加哥大学的非常聪明的人约翰·米默 (John M mimer) 代表了这种观点，他们非常批评华盛顿无法将注意力集中在必要的事情上，以及他们的过度扩张，他们认为美国正在过度扩张，所以他们非常批评美国在战争中的作用，首先是通过维多利亚和通过 2014 年针对当时乌克兰总统维克多·亚努科维奇的 kud 创造环境，他们创建了一个 kudeta，以便在种族上清洗乌克兰东部的俄语使用者，以激怒普京，在 2014 年对乌克兰发动第一阶段的战争，从而推动北约在斯堪的纳维亚半岛以及格鲁吉亚和乌克兰的扩张，所以这种务实的观点只是说我们不应该这样做是因为这样我们就会把俄罗斯推向中国的怀抱尼克松政府的全部目的是分裂苏联和中国，从而赢得冷战，所以他们批评乌克兰和以色列的支持，因为他们认为这只会迷惑美国的政策，它会在美国敌人之间建立联盟，比如俄罗斯和中国、伊朗和俄罗斯之间的联盟等等，这是愚蠢的政治，因为敌人是中国，中国需要被遏制，如果你问他们为什么中国需要被遏制，中国没有帝国主义的历史，中国绝对没有兴趣在美国墨西哥边境建立军事基地，把海军力量和专业力量带到圣地亚哥、洛杉矶或旧金山，中国不想要中国想要贸易，你知道他们说什么是的，我们同意，但如果我们让中国成为太平洋地区的区域超级大国，在自己的后院，如果我们允许中国在南海和印度洋地区占据主导地位海洋
那么中国将来就会开始尝试做我们已经做过的事情，他们
将成为西半球的一股帝国主义力量，对他们来说，美国人就是这样说的，他们明白中国不是帝国主义的，但他们担心，如果他们不通过印度尼西亚北部的咽喉要道来遏制中国，你知道
第一组岛屿，第二组岛屿，中国和菲律宾之间，那么中国
就会效仿美国，因此你最好通过扼杀中国来防止这种情况发生，所以这是一条论据，第二条论据是相反的论据，即美国必须是世界各地包括欧洲和乌克兰在内的欺凌者，例如，我曾听布什政府中位高权重的人说过，他在指挥链中位居很高布鲁塞尔的北约秘书长，一位美国共和党人，他对我说，我们需要扩大北约，这违背了欧洲人的利益，他显然违背了欧洲人的利益，我问他为什么，鲍勃，他说有三个原因，首先，因为我们必须在欧洲，美国，我们要保持自己，第一个原因，他告诉我，第二个原因，就是压制德国人，看看今天德国的电价，乌克兰战争的结果，德国的工业机器完蛋了，不仅仅是因为这个，这是原因之一，第三，为了把俄罗斯拒之门外，所以这是，如果你在华盛顿特区的权力走廊里，你会听到这样的讨论，遏制中国，扼杀中国是他们所有人的共同点，他们只是在如何最好地做到这一点上存在分歧，是通过乌克兰战争来实现的，还是像特朗普所说的那样，乌克兰战争和中国的骗局，到目前为止，我向你展示的，或多或少是任何曾经参与过的人的常识在华盛顿，在布鲁塞尔，和这些人交谈，和冷战战士交谈，和新冷战战士交谈，这是众所周知的，但我认为，我到目前为止给你讲的故事是不完整的，为什么克林顿政府和之后的布什政府在与中国的贸易上如此热衷，为什么他们不在20世纪90年代，也就是2000年，2004年，2005年，2008年对中国发动新冷战，为什么直到2014年左右，这个机构才决定对中国发动战争，不是因为他们，一种解释是，克林顿政府的人看不到中国会发展到如此大的程度，我不相信，我从不相信那些假设相关人员愚蠢的解释，我不相信这些人是愚蠢的，我不相信他们没有看到这一点，通过将美国制造业的一半转移到中国西海岸，对不起，中国东海岸你知道中国
不会发展壮大，他们知道这一点，他们为此而庆祝，我记得
多年来，人们一直说资本主义很棒，因为看看中国，它引入了
市场经济，然后他们就成为了超级大国，所以他们知道他们想要它，为什么他们现在不想要它，为什么
突然出现扼杀点和遏制，你知道，把靴子踩在他们脖子上，对我来说，真正改变的是什么
美国对中国发动新冷战的本质
顺便说一句，欧洲无关紧要，欧洲只是按照吩咐去做
欧洲不想对中国发动冷战，但你知道他们收到了来自
华盛顿特区的电子邮件，他们这样做违背了他们的利益，违背了他们的意愿，所以不要在乎
欧洲人，这是华盛顿，如果你
我们像亨利·基辛格这样的战略思想家，他现在已经死了，但你知道这是深思熟虑的美国
官员的例子，你真正担心的是什么，因为我提到了基辛格，让我先说一下，那是 1970 年，当时基辛格正在为尼克松总统工作，你还记得，他当时不是外交部长，也不是国务院官员，他是国家安全委员会主席，也是美国总统的国家安全顾问，他一生都是美国战略思想的缩影，一党制国家的思想，美国的深层政府，当他看到宏观经济统计数据时，他发现从 1968 年开始，美国自 1930 年代以来首次成为赤字国家，这是它历史上第一次成为赤字国家，因为它在竞标战争期间成为超级大国或重要大国，当然，自 1950 年代以来，它是唯一的经济超级大国，美国从一个贸易顺差国家滑落到贸易逆差，这孩子很担心，因为他知道从历史上看基辛格说，每一个从盈余变成赤字的帝国都开始衰落，所以他召集了国家安全委员会的人，问了他们一个简单的问题，既然我们是赤字国家，我们该怎么做才能保持我们的霸权，他说，让人们去思考这个问题，我希望你们每个人写半页纸，非常有趣，不是20页，半页，不是一页，半页，这就是基辛格的工作方式，这些人非常聪明，他们中的大多数人回来后给出了一个非常德国式的答案，如果我们有赤字，我们必须削减开支，我们必须提高利率等等，以减少进口，实现进出口平衡，消除我们的贸易赤字，一个人在他的半页纸上写下了这句话，我实际上是在15年前写一本书的过程中获得的rs 前打字写
打字了半页他说我们必须做什么我们必须将我们的赤字增加三倍我们的赤字我们有赤字这是不好的我们必须使它扩大三倍并让世界其他国家的资本家为此买单这正是发生的事情美国应该增加赤字并用它来创造对德国和日本以及后来的中国净出口的总需求因为美国的贸易赤字吸收了美国你的铝你的电动汽车赤字美元就像我一样你知道当人们问保罗·沃卡宁但这不会影响美元的价值他说不只要它是唯一的世界储备货币唯一有需求的货币人们需要它即使他们不想从生产它的国家购买任何东西印刷它所以如果你今天是一个与红发人相当的人那么你就知道为什么美国如此霸权为什么它能够承受成为世界大欺凌是因为支付系统的垄断，让我给你举个例子，呃，当我们在中国进行这次谈话时，特朗普当选，因为他非常讨厌奥巴马，他想推翻奥巴马非常自豪的东西，奥巴马对两件事感到非常自豪，那就是奥巴马医改和西方与伊朗就伊朗核计划达成的协议，以及终止制裁，这是伊朗、美国和整个欧盟热情签署的，特朗普想要摧毁这项协议，只是因为他讨厌奥巴马，所以他拿起与伊朗的协议，把它撕毁，德国总理安格拉·默克尔非常恼火，因为她和奥巴马一起努力促成了与伊朗的协议，她德国企业已经在伊朗进行谈判进入伊朗，伊朗是一个充满机遇的土地，多年来对像德国这样的大型企业集团实施了制裁，特别是在能源、消费品和汽车制造方面他们都准备好了加入，特朗普说不，默克尔出来了
并举行了针对美国总统的新闻发布会，这是史无前例的，并不经常发生，她说我不知道??美国会怎么做，我们尊重
他们的意见和立场，但德国将维持与伊朗的和平协议，德国企业将继续在这项国际协议的基础上在伊朗做生意，我们将在 12 小时内履行这项协议，每个德国企业集团的首席执行官都站出来表示，不是我们，我们不加入，我们退出，我们将跟随美国人
为什么这真的很简单，因为他们依赖于他们对美国的净出口，特朗普政府威胁他们，他们不会从减税中受益，特朗普带来的企业税削减
他对他们说，你想从他们那里受益，就不要在伊朗做生意，你想保持对美元支付系统的使用权，不要与伊朗做生意，所以德国国会集团在德国总理举行新闻发布会的第二天，德国领导人转而反对她
实际上是在说对不起，总理，我们将与特朗普总统站在一起，违背他们在伊朗和欧洲的经济利益，这正是他们现在正在做的事情，你知道美国和乌克兰联手轰炸北溪管道，每周给德国工业造成数十亿美元的损失
你听过德国工业说什么吗？什么也没有，因为他们依赖美国的贸易逆差
但这整件事让美国的贸易逆差像吸尘器一样运转，吸进美国的德国、法国、日本和中国的净出口，你需要美元来保持垄断地位，垄断交易体系，因为只有交易垄断，美国人才能继续没有资金的赤字
然后你看看我所说的美国和中国的云资本的崛起
云资本我说的是算法资本，大科技就是建立在算法资本之上的，这是一种新的资本形式，因为与其他形式的资本不同，总是一种生产资料一种生产出来的生产资料
机器人、拖拉机是你为了生产其他东西而生产的东西这不是一种生产资料
这是一种生产手段一种人工行为修改手段这就是阿里巴巴这就是抖音这就是10cent这就是亚马逊
谷歌Facebook等等它们是创造非市场平台的资本品看起来像市场但不是市场允许云资本的所有者将我们带入买家作为卖家、影响者、舆论制造者、娱乐消费者，并向我们所有人收取租金，这是云资本的所有权赋予云资本所有者的巨大权力，现在世界上有两个国家拥有大量集中的云资本，一个是美国，另一个是中国，你们之所以在这里拥有它，是因为你禁止了硅谷，欧洲没有禁止硅谷，所以我们都依赖谷歌、Facebook 元所有这些，我们没有开发自己的云资本，所以那里有美国云资本，中国云资本，中国云资本比美国云资本有优势，这是你必须明白的，不是因为我的意思是你的技术并不比美国人好，在某些方面你已经超越了美国的能力，但在其他方面，美国人比你更大、更好、更快，不，这不是你的技术优势，而是政治优势和组织优势，在中国，中国人民银行，中国中央银行控制着美国的银行家银行家控制着中央银行，他们拥有中央银行，他们创建了中央银行
美国中央银行，美联储是由 JB Morgan 创建的，而不是
相反，好吧，了解我们国家和美国之间的制度差异很重要
美国是一个非常非常奇怪的地方，所以云资本硅谷
美国的金融业不合作，Apple pay 存在，Google pay
存在，所以就像我们一样，你可以通过 Apple pay 支付，但其中很大一部分钱会作为租金流向华尔街，所以
存在一种阶级战争，或者说是阶级战争
在西海岸的华尔街和西海岸的云资本之间，他们正在发生冲突，这种冲突不会发生在中国，因为你们的金融部门
和你们的大型科技或云资本部门都在共产党的领导下，我非常诚实和坦率地告诉你，
这是件好事，这是一个优势，但如果你坐在华盛顿，
特别是在乌克兰战争之后，特别是在你的中央银行创建数字货币之后一、数字技术是一项了不起的发明，你应该珍惜它，你应该使用它，你应该发展它，我们讨论过如何做到这一点，你的国家已经为金钱建造了一条数字超级高速公路，它比摇摇欲坠的道路要先进得多，那就是美元之路，因为今天超级高速公路没有使用，就像你知道，想象一下你在这里有过这样的经历，你修建了一条两边各有五条车道的高速公路，但路上没有多少车，这就是现在你的数字支付系统正在发生的事情，而美国的道路非常古老，到处都是坑坑洼洼，只有两条车道，而不是五条车道，交通繁忙，因为所有的资本主义利润和贸易都是通过那条旧公路上的交易来融资的，但已经有人从美国高速公路迁移到中国超级高速公路，这是从俄罗斯人开始的，这就是乌克兰的战争，如果你是沙特阿拉伯人，好吧，你是沙特阿拉伯寡头，你的大部分生意都是和美国做的，你知道你爱你的美元，但你在想这些人，美国人没收了俄罗斯的 4000 亿美元，因为他们不喜欢俄罗斯人，不管是什么，也许俄罗斯人应得的，这并不重要，我在这里没有提出道德观点，好吧，你认为你是沙特阿拉伯人，我自己也不是一个很好的人，也许他们明天不会喜欢我，也许我明天会做一些事情来惹恼他们，也许他们会参与我的 d 对吧，所以我为什么不把一些钱分散一下，我会通过中国人修建的高速公路进行交易，你为什么认为沙特阿拉伯有兴趣加入砖块，这就是原因，没有其他原因，这就是原因，现在回到你正在看的那个，你认为这些中国人修建的这条高速公路对我的德国是一个明显而现实的危险，这就是为什么他们有筹码行动，因为他们想减少你投资这条高速公路的能力，并让它对其他所有人都有吸引力，这就是为什么他们创造扼杀任何外部人士的情况，美国想与中国进行贸易因为他们不想要这条高速公路，所以不是中国变得更大，不是中国在进行间谍活动，不是台湾，而是中国已经建立了基于数字云资本的支付高速公路，这对美元支付系统的垄断是一个明显而巨大的危险，而美元支付系统的垄断是美国霸权的唯一原因，所以问题是我们该怎么做，请允许我很快说四件事，然后我停止这个，然后我们可以进一步讨论，你需要做的第一件事是你必须减少对美国贸易赤字的依赖，但请允许我作为一名微观经济学家说，你只能这样做，如果你增加这个国家的工资份额，这些钱最终会落入工人阶级、小人物和这个国家的中产阶级的口袋，因为从微观经济的角度来说，在五年计划下，不可能在不依赖美国贸易赤字的情况下，对制造业进行必要的投资，以实现五年计划的增长率，维持这种投资和保持增长率的唯一方法是在不依赖美国贸易赤字的情况下，通过提高国内总需求，有简单的方法可以做到这一点，你的数字支付系统就是其中一种方式，如果你愿意的话，我可以稍后再讨论，这是你需要做的第一件事，减少对美国贸易赤字的依赖，其次，你需要通过软实力来吸引当地社区，在埃塞俄比亚建造工厂或一些基础设施或一些能源中心或者在纳米比亚，或者

任何有助于当地国家发展的地方，但你必须与当地社区互动，你必须接受，是的，你必须

记住，纳米比亚、刚果、埃塞俄比亚都存在阶级冲突，当地

统治阶级正在摧毁当地工人阶级和中国人的前景，我知道你不想干涉政党政治，但

你必须让纳米比亚人民明白，中国、中国企业和中国存在是他们的盟友，而不是寡头政治的盟友，这就是你赢得非洲人心的方法，你需要在欧洲做同样的事情，因为在欧洲，保守派正努力让欧洲人民反对中国人，就像纯粹的种族主义、仇外心理、东方主义等等，正是那些让意大利人、希腊人、法国人、德国人反对中国人的人，本质上就是在努力

减少德国人和法国人的生活前景意大利人和希腊人，所以当例如 Costco 进入福斯港时，我知道他们管理港口比希腊人更好，我知道那里腐败现象减少了，我知道港口工人的工作条件现在更好了，但 Costco 犯了一个错误，没有参与社区关系，这是第三件事，好吧，嗯，第四件事，美国的软实力，我们必须一起思考，我说我们我不是中国人，但我有兴趣结束冷战，因为避免核对抗符合人类的利益，其次是找到一种沟通和合作的方式来结束人类快速走向气候灾难的进程，没有合作就不可能发生，我们无法成功拯救我们的星球，所以这就是为什么我说我们与美国进步人士接触很重要，比如我给你举个例子，美国的民主社会主义者在美国变得相当有影响力，他们中的许多人都是我的朋友就像伯尼·桑德斯一样，他们被建制派卷入了
反华思维，让他们回来很重要，因为他们不明白贸易战是阶级战争，如果你这样对他们说，如果我们这样对他们说，他们就有可能理解，一旦你对中国发动贸易战，美国工人阶级就会受到影响，一些工作可能会通过关税来挽救，如果他们重新创造一些制造业工作，但那是行不通的，那是行不通的，这不是你知道你阻止几辆比亚迪汽车进入美国，俄亥俄州就会突然出现更多制造业工作的情况，那是愚蠢的，但我们需要说服美国的进步人士，他们的利益在于缓和美国和中国之间的新冷战，谢谢

How China Can Win the Cold War with the U.S., Here are Four Suggestions | Yanis Varoufakis

Thinkers Forum 2024年11月15日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BsAa_94dao&t=59s
  
In this more than 30-minute speech, former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis elaborated on his understanding of the nature of the current U.S.-China competition, as well as his suggestions on how China can counter U.S. efforts to contain it.

the containment of China the choking of China is common ground for all of them they simply disagree on how to do it best whether to do it through the war in Ukraine or As Trump suggests and the war in Ukraine and con of China well thank you so much and thank
you for this opportunity to have um an intimate closed door discussion so that
um we can speak freely so I'm going to cut to the chase because my topic I think is the most uh pressing issue for Humanity at the moment the new cold war that the United States
Unleashed against China this is not a shared responsibility it is a decision by Washington DC to unleash a cold war against China it started with Donald Trump it was already in the making from the Obama Administration but it has been reinforced exponentially under Joe Biden and the reason why I'm saying that this is the most pressing issue for Humanity is because we are being quick marched towards the precipice of a nuclear confrontation that the United States authorities knowingly are making a real
possibility and the question is why the first question and once we go through the analysis then of course the second question and of equal importance is so what do we do about it I enjoy very much placing American and British in particular journalists who are part of this propaganda machine you know Financial Times Guardian Washington
Post placing them in the difficult position with a very simple question why
why is the United States declaring essentially a new Cold War against CH
China and the first the first the first word that comes out of their mouth is
Taiwan and I said to them what about Taiwan said well the Chinese want to take it over well I said they always wanted to take it over what's new I mean it was
always the position of Beijing that Taiwan is a province of China and at
some point they will have to fall under the fault like Hong Kong did didn't
Richard Nixon know that in 1971 when he was visiting Beijing making friends with China didn't Clinton know that when he was inducting China into the World Trade Organization why wasn't Taiwan a problem then what has changed now they they look
at me oh yeah well China is spying on us the NSA spying on you the CI I have and
that is the truth and the line knows this we have a three-point NSA tap on me
my phone that is three points means that if I talk to you you spied on if you
talk to your wife your wife is spy don't if your wife talks to your child your spy your your child so I I know that they've told me that so I don't believe the Chinese are as good as the NSA at spying I mean the NSA was listening in to Chancellor Angela Merkel this was revealed and then you know when Angela Merkel was told that immediately she said okay do you want me to speak louder so you can hear hear me better so it wasn't a problem right now suddenly that China is developing surveillance and I hope China is developing
surveillance methods because you know if if you're being spied on you need to spy back on it's the only way my one of my great friends and I'm very proud of that that may shock some of you is Julian Assange of WikiLeaks and Julian Assange a very brave man said to me once uh that what do you do with B Big Brother how do you stop Big Brother well what you do is you develop the technology so that you spy on him while he's spying on you so counter surveillance is the only way of dealing with surveillance so that they
know that you know that they know this is essential for maintaining any degree
of autonomy so I hope China is developing its capacity to counter the surveillance of the
NSA um and it's a joke I mean the people in the NSA are laughing the heads off
when they hear journalists from The Wall Street Journal saying that the reason for the new C war is that China is fing
on the on the Americans and then I hear other idiotic answers like you know the
the Chinese are building Naval vessels uh they are projecting Naval power well
I will believe this I mean of course you're building Naval vessels you're expanding your economy you're expanding
your capacity to um project your own power that is essential that's what
every every country must do if it respects its own interests but I'm going to be worried
about Chinese imperialism when I see
Chinese vessels outside San Diego and Los Angeles and Chinese army
bases next to El Paso on the US Mexican border until we see that it is ludicrous
you just look at the map of the Pacific and you see American bases everywhere
creating choke points for China and this is their official policy for 40 years and they have the audacity to say that
China is a threat because China is anyway enough time wasted on these non-
explanations of the new Cold War now you may have heard of um well I won't
mention him yet the more sophisticated analysts in the United States would
invoke the so-called FUSD trap or thusi curse that to put it in very um V terms
if you live in an anarchic world if you are a child a boy and you go to school
with a very rough school and there are lots of bullies you should be the biggest and
nastiest bully that is the cynical realist school of thought of American
geopolitics that America in this anarchic world because they don't really believe in God they don't believe that
it's a God that will help them they think that they must be the nastiest biggest bully in the world in order to
defend themselves their survival as a nation and their prosperity will depend on their capacity to bully everybody
else and from preventing anyone who is getting too big for their boots to become an equally sized bully and they
will say to you that they wear bullies around the world like for instance Imperial Japan Imperial Germany the
Soviet Union and what the United states have succeeded in doing is effectively
eliminating them annihilating them getting them out of the way and that now China is rising China is next and
therefore for that experience a new Cold War now there's no doubt that the Deep
state in the United States I make no mistake the United States is not a democracy it's an oligarchy with
elections that are providing the legitimacy for this one party state to
continue to exist and when I say one party State I mean one party State uh
take for instance Victoria newand you may be familiar with this Diplomat of the
Washington establishment Victoria nand worked for Bill Clinton she worked for
George W bush she worked under Clinton she worked under Trump and no
doubt she was going to work again for whoever wins in November Victoria nand is an example of
the single state deep state of the United States now that deep State single
party establishment United States is split along the line of two different
conflicting views neither which of which is good news for
China there is the the more intelligent
nuanced line of thinking that which in Academia is uh represented by that very
intelligent man from the University of Chicago John M mimer the view is this
they they are very critical of the inability of
Washington to focus Fus on what is necessary and
their overreach they think that the United States is overreaching so they
are very critical of the war of the United States role in firstly through
Victoria nand creating the circumstances through the kud against Victor yanukovich the
then president of Ukraine in 2014 they created a kudeta in
order ethnically to cleanse Russian speakers from the Eastern side of
Ukraine in order to provoke Putin into
the first stage of war in 2014 against Ukraine so as to push for NATO expansion
in uh Scandinavia and of course Georgia
and Ukraine and so this pragmatic Viewpoint simply says that we shouldn't
be doing this because that way we we are pushing Russia into the arms of
China the whole point of the Nixon Administration was to split the Soviet
Union from China and therefore win the Cold War so they're
critical of the support of Ukraine and of
Israel because they think that this simply disorient the United States
policy it creates alliances amongst Americans enemies like alliances between
Russia and China Iran and Russia and so on and that this is silly politics
because the enemy is China and China needs to be contained and if you ask them why does China need to be
contained China doesn't have a history of imperialism China has absolutely no interest in uh building military bases
on the US Mexican border in taking you know Naval power and Pro in it to San
Diego or Los Angeles or San Francisco China doesn't want that China wants to trade you know what they say yes we
agree but if we let China become a regional
superpower in the Pacific area in its own area in its backyard if we allow
China for instance to become dominant in the South China Sea and in the Indian Ocean
then China in the future will start trying to do what we have done and they
will become an imperialistic force in the western hemisphere which for them is
the Americans this is what they say they understand that China is not imperialistic but they fear that if they
do not contain China through choke points just north of Indonesia you know
the first array of islands the second array of islands between China and the Philippines and so then China
will emulate the United States and therefore you better prevent that by
choking China today so that's one line line of argument the second line of
argument is the opposite argument that the United States must be a bully
everywhere all over the world including in Europe including the Ukraine and that
for instance I I have been told that by somebody who was very high up in the Bush
Administration and who was very high up in the chain of command of NATO in Brussels an American Republican he said
to me that we need to expand NATO against the interest of of the Europeans he was clear against the
interest of the Europeans and I said to him Bob why he said because of three reasons first because we must be in
Europe the United States we to keep ourselves in number one reason he gave
me number two to keep the Germans down look at the price of electricity in
Germany today as a result of the war in Ukraine the German industrial machine is finished kaput as a result not just of
that but that is one of the reasons and thirdly to keep the Russ out so this is
you know if you were in the corridors of power in Washington DC this is the discussion you would hear
the containment of China the choking of China is common ground for all of them they
simply disagree on how to do it best whether to do it through the war in Ukraine or As Trump suggests and the war
in Ukraine and con of China well this so far what I have presented to you is more
or less common knowledge amongst anyone who's ever been in Washington been in
Brussels spoken to these people to the cold Warriors to the new cold Warriors this is common knowledge but I think
that that story that I've given you so far is incomplete why did the Clinton
Administration and the Bush Administration after that were so gangho about trading with China why did they
not start the new Cold War against China in the 1990s in the year 2000 in
2004 2005 200 8 why was it only around
2014 that this establishment decided to unleash the war against China it's not that they one explanation is that the
Clinton Administration people could not see that China would develop to the extent that China developed that it
would become so big I don't believe that I never believe explanations which
presume the stupidity of the people involved I don't believe that these people were stupid and I don't believe
that they didn't see that by shifting half of American manufacturing to the
West Coast of China sorry to the east coast of China that you know that China
would not grow and develop they knew it they were celebrating it I remember you
know for years hearing that you know capitalism is fantastic because look at China the moment it introduced the
market economy so and they become a superpower so they knew it that they wanted it why don't they want it now why
is it suddenly choking points and containment and you know putting a boot
on their neck what what really changed for
me the essence of the pursuit of a new Cold War
against China by the United States by the way Europe is irrelevant Europe is
simply doing as it's told Europe doesn't want to unleash a cold war against China but you know they get the email from
Washington DC do it and they do it against their interest and against their wishes so don't care about the the
Europeans it's Washington if you
we somebody like you know a strategic thinker like
Henry Kissinger who is now dead but you know this is the example of the deep thinking American
official what would you really be worried about since I mentioned Kissinger let
me stick to him for a moment the year was
1970 Kissinger at the time who was working for President Nixon you'll
recall was not the foreign minister was not in the is the state department yet
he was the head of the National Security Council and he was the National Security advisor to the American president and he
was the epitome all his life of American strategic thinking the thinking of that
one party State the Deep state of the United States being a smart man when he
saw the macroeconomic statistics and he saw that from 1968 from 1968 onwards America for the
first time since the 1930s had become a deficit country for
the first time in its history since it became a superpower or an important power in the bid War period and
certainly since the 1950s when it was the only superpower in terms of economic
superpower the United States slipped from being a surplus country from having a surplus in its trade balance uh to
having a deficit and kid was worried because he knew that historically speaking
every Empire that went from being a surplus to a deficit economic entity
started fading so he got together his people at the National Security Council and he
asked them a simple question how should we what should we do in order to retain our
hegemony now that we are a deficit country and he said to the people go
away and think about it and I want from each one of you half a page of a
note very interesting right not 20 Pages half a page not a page half a page this
is how Kissinger worked and these were very smart people right most of them
came back and gave a very Germanic answer if we have a deficit we must cut
down expenditure we must increase uh interest rates and so on and so forth in
order to reduce Imports and bring about a balance between exports and imports to
eliminate our trade deficit one man in his half a page which
I actually acquired in the process of writing a book 15 years ago typ written
a typewritten half a page he said what we must do we must treble our
deficit treble our deficit we have a deficit which is bad we must make it three times as big and make the
capitalists of the rest of the world pay for it which is exactly what happened the
United States should increase its deficit and use it to create aggregate
demand for the net exports of Germany and Japan and later on China because it
is the trade deficit of the United States that sucks into the United States
your aluminum your electric vehicles deficit dollars like I
us and you know when people ask Paul vulkanen but will that not affect the
value of the dollar he said no not as long as it is the only World Reserve currency the only
currency that has demand people demand it even if they don't want to buy anything from the country which is
producing it which is printing it so if you are today somebody of a mind
comparable to gingers then you know that the reason why the
United States is so hegemonic why it can afford to be the big bully around the world is because of
the Monopoly of the payment system and let me give you an example which I gave
uh when we with way way were having this conversation at China today China now
China now now today um when Trump was
elected because he hated Obama so deeply he wanted to take down something that Obama was very proud of Obama was very
proud of two things Obamacare and the agreement between the
west and Iran over the nuclear program of Iran and the ending of the sanctions
which was signed by Iran by the United States and by the whole of the European Union enthusiastically
and Trump wanted to destroy that agreement just because he hated Obama so he takes the agreement with Iran and
tees it up tears it up the chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel was very annoyed
because she had worked very hard together with Obama to bring about that
agreement with Iran and she German businesses were
already in negotiations in Iran to enter Iran Iran is a land of opportunity after
so many years of sanctions for large conglomerates like the German ones especially when it came to energy to
Consumer products to car manufacturing they were all ready to get in and Trump says no Merkel comes out
and gives a press conference against the president of the United States this is unprecedented that doesn't happen
often and she says I do not know what the United States will do we respect
their opinion and their position position but Germany is going to maintain the agreement the peace
agreement with Iran and German businesses will continue to do business in Iran on the basis of this
International agreement which we are going to fulfill and which we are going to honor within 12 hours every single
CEO of every German conglomerate came out and said not us we're not in we're out we will follow the Americans
why it's really very simple because they depended on their net exports to the
United States and the Trump Administration threatened them that they
would not benefit from the tax cuts the corporate the the reductions in the corporate tax that Trump was bringing in
he said to them you want to benefit from them no business in Iran you want to maintain your access to the dollar
payment system no business with Iran so the German Cong con glomerate leaders
turned against the German Chancellor the day after she gave a press conference
effectively saying sorry Chancellor we are going with President Trump on this against their own Financial interests in
Iran and in Europe which is exactly what they're doing now you know the United States together with Ukraine bomb the
pipeline northstream one that costs billions every week for German industry
have you heard a German industry say anything nothing because they are dependent on the American trade deficit
but this whole thing for the trade deficit of the United States to function
as a vacuum cleaner that sucks into the United States the net exports of Germany
of France of Japan and of China you need the dollar to
remain the Monopoly the monopolistic transaction system because it is only
the monop of transactions that allows the Americans to
continue with unfinanced unfunded deficits
then you look at the rise of what I call Cloud capital in the United States and
China by Cloud Capital I'm talking about what lives in here the algorithmic capital on which
big Tech is built which is a new form of capital because unlike like other forms
of capital which are always a means of production a produced means of
production a robot a tractor is something you produce to produce something else this is not a produced
means of production it's a produced means an artificial means of Behavioral
modification that's what Alibaba is that's what Tik Tok is that is what 10cent is that is what of course Amazon
Google Facebook and so on they are capital goods that create nonm
markets platforms that look like markets but are not markets which allow the
owner of that cloud Capital to bring us in as buyers as Sellers as influencers
as opinion makers as simply consumers of entertainment and charge all of us a
form of rent that's enormous power that the ownership of this Cloud Capital
confers to the owners of cloud Capital now there are two countries in the world
that have a lot of concentrated Cloud Capital One is the United States and the other is China and the reason why you
have it here is because you banned Silicon Valley Europe didn't ban Silicon Valley so we all depend on Google
Facebook meta all that and we didn't develop our own cloud Capital so there's American Cloud Capital there Chinese
Capital Cloud Capital Chinese Cloud Capital has an advantage over American Cloud Capital this is something you've
got to understand not so much because I mean your technology is not better than the
Americans in some things you have gone beyond American capabilities but in
other things the Americans are bigger and better and faster than you are at this stage no it's not a technological
advantage that you have it is a political advantage and an organizational advantage here in
China The People's Bank the Central Bank of China controls the bankers in the
United States the bankers control the central bank they own the central bank they created the Central Bank the
Central Bank of the United States the Federal Reserve was created by JB Morgan it was not the
other way around okay it's important to understand the institutional differences between our countries and the United
States the United States is a very very strange place so Cloud Capital Silicon Valley in the
United States and finance don't work together Apple pay exists Google pay
exists so like wej you can pay through Apple pay but a large segment of that money goes to Wall Street as a rent so
there is a class like something like class war between or a fudal l war
between the fom of Wall Street on the West CO east coast and the fom of cloud
capital on the west coast they're clashing that Clash doesn't happen in China because both your Finance sector
and your big Tech or Cloud Capital sector are under the Communist party I'm being very honest and Frank with you and
that's a good thing that is an advantage but if you sitting in Washington
especially after the war in Ukraine especially after your Central Bank created the digital one
the digital one is a fantastic invention you should treasure it and you should use it and you should develop it and we
have discussions about how to do this your country has built a digital Super
Highway for money which is much much more advanced than the rickety road that is the
American dollar road cuz today that super wi highway is not used it's like
you know imagine you have you've had this experience here you build a highway five Lanes each side but not many cars
are going on it that's what's happening now with your digital payment system and
the American road which is very old full of poth holes two lanes not five it's
full of traffic because all the capitalist profits and trade is being
financed through transactions on that old highway but already there's a
migration from the American Highway to the Chinese Super Highway it started
with Russians that's what the Ukraine wared and then if you're a Saudi
Arabian okay you're a Saudi Arabian an oligarch you do most of your business
with the United States you you know you love your dollars but you're thinking these people the Americans confiscated
400 billion of the Russians money because they didn't like the Russians
for whatever it is maybe the Russians deserve it doesn't matter I'm not making an ethical Point here okay you think
you're Saudi Arabian I'm not a very good person myself maybe they will not like me tomorrow maybe I will do something to
annoy them tomorrow maybe they will take part of my d right so why don't I diversify some of that money I will
transact through the Super Highway that the Chinese have built why do you think Saudi Arabia is interested in joining the bricks that's the reason there's no
other reason that is the reason now go back to what you're looking at that and you think this super highway that these
Chinese have built is a clear and present danger to my Germany that's why they have the chips
act because they want to reduce Your Capacity to invest in this super highway
and make it attractive for everybody else this is why they are creating circumstances of choking anyone outside
the United States wants to trade with China because they don't want this Super Highway way so it's not that China is
getting bigger it is not that China is spying it is not Taiwan it is that China
has built a digital Cloud Capital based super highway for payments which is a
clear and prais danger to the Monopoly of the dollar payment system which is the only reason why the United States is
hegemonic so the question is what do we do about that allow me just to say four things very quickly and then I stop this
and then we can take this up further the first thing you need to do is you must
reduce your dependency on the American trade deficit but allow me as a microeconomist to say that you can only
do this is if you increase the weage
share in this country the amount of money which is essentially ending up in
the pockets of the working class the working class and the petty Bui and the middle class in this country because
micro economically speaking it is impossible under the Cent 5year plan to
have the degree of investment in manufacturing that is
necessary in order to meet the growth rates of the 5year plan without depending on the American
trade deficit the only way of maintaining this investment and maintaining the growth rate without
dependency of the American trade deficit is by boosting aggregate demand domestically and there are simple ways
of doing that and your digital payment system is a way of doing it I can
discuss this later if you want that's number one thing you need to do reduce your dependency of the American trade deficit secondly you need to
appeal through soft power through
engagement with the local communities in the global south building a factory or
some infrastructure or some some energy Hub in Ethiopia or in Namibia or
wherever it contributes to the development of the local country but you've got to engage with the local community you have to take yeah you have
to remember your marks that there is class conflict happening in Namibia in the Congo in Ethiopia and the local
ruling class is destroying the prospects of the local working class and the
Chinese I know you don't want to interfere in a party political level but
you have to gr you the people of Namibia must understand that China and Chinese
business and the Chinese presence are their allies not the allies of their oligarchy that's how you win hearts and
Minds in Africa you need to do the same in Europe because in Europe there is a
conservative effort to turn the people of Europe against the Chinese along the lines of pure racism
xenophobia orientalism and so on the same people who are turning the the the
Italians the Greeks the French the Germans against the Chinese are the people who are essentially working
towards the diminution of the life prospects of the Germans the French the
Italians and the Greeks so when for instance Costco entered the port of fos
I know it that they run the port better than the Greeks did I know that there is less corrup corruption and I know that
the work the conditions of the workers in the port are better now but cost made a mistake by not engaging in community
relations that's um the third thing okay um and the fourth
thing soft power within the United States we must think to together and I
say we I'm not Chinese but I have an interest in ending the Cold
War uh because it is in the interest of humanity to avoid firstly nuclear
confrontation and secondly to find a way of communicating and collaborating to end
the very fast March of humanity towards a climate catastrophe without
cooperation it can't happen we cannot succeed in saving our planet so this is
why I'm saying we it is important to approach American progressors like I
give you an example the Democratic socialists of America who are becoming have become rather
influential in the United States many of them are my friends people like Bernie Sanders they have been sucked into the
anti-chinese mindset by The Establishment it is important to bring them
back because they don't understand that trade Wars are class Wars if you put it
to them that way if we put it to them that way there's a chance that they will understand it that the moment you have a
trade War being imposed on China the American working class is going to suffer some jobs may be saved through tariffs if they recreate some manufacturing job but that won't work that is not going to work it is not a situation where you know you stop a few byd cars from coming to the United States and suddenly there will be more manufacturing jobs in Ohio that is
idiocy but we need to convince the progressives in the United States that
they interests are in deescalate the new cold war between United States and China
thank you