英国摇滚乐歌手回怼CNN：不知道去读书
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北京时间7日，一段涉及中国大陆与台湾地区关系的采访视频在推特上引发关注。
这段采访来自美国有线电视新闻网（CNN），对话二人分别是英国知名摇滚乐队平克·弗洛伊德（Pink Floyd）联合创始人、歌手罗格·沃特斯，以及CNN主持人迈克尔•史默克，双方谈到沃特斯此前巡演中包含的政治元素，比如演出大屏幕曾出现指责美国总统拜登是“战争犯”的蒙太奇图像，随后还谈到关于中国大陆与台湾地区的关系，沃特斯当面反驳史默克称：“台湾是中国的一部分”，他还告诫后者：“如果你不知道，那么你读书读得还不够。去读读书吧”。
CNN 7日发布了该采访视频片段。据音乐网站Stereogum报道，视频开始，主持人史默克问到沃特斯巡演中那些“很明显的政治元素”，比如布景屏幕曾出现的指责美国总统拜登是“战争犯”的蒙太奇图像，对此沃特斯谈及当前俄乌冲突，回答道：“嗯，他（拜登）是在火上浇油，这是巨大的犯罪，为什么美国不去鼓励泽连斯基去谈判，以避免这场可怕战争的发生呢？”
Roger Waters tells CNN why Biden is a war criminal
“但你这是在责怪被‘入侵’的那一方，”史默克称，“你把事情搞反了。”
“所有战争，都是从什么时候开始的？你需要做的是看看历史，然后你可以说，‘嗯，它是从这一天开始的’。你可以说这场战争始于2008年…… 这场战争基本是关于北约向俄罗斯边境推进的行动和相应反应，而在戈尔巴乔夫时代，他们（北约）曾承诺不会这么做，”沃特斯回应说。
对该采访进行文字报道的音乐网站Stereogum称，这之后二人话题最终聊到了中国大陆与台湾地区的关系，并且对话氛围变得逐渐激烈。
视频显示，主持人史默克显然谈起了近期中国大陆因美众议院议长佩洛西窜台在台岛周边开展的军事演训行动，他声称“中国人正忙着包围台湾（地区）”……
“他们不是在包围台湾，”沃特斯立马打断问话，反驳称：“台湾是中国的一部分，自1948年以来，整个国际社会都完全接受了这一点，如果你不知道，那么你读书读得还不够。去读读书吧。”
在发布相关视频的推文下方，沃特斯这一表态也收获了不少网友赞同。↓
“做得好，罗格·沃特斯！！！”
“必须喜欢罗格·沃特斯。一直热爱。”
“不管他是音乐家还是历史学家，他明白事理！”
还有网友颇为讽刺地对CNN这段采访感到很“惊讶”：“我真的很惊讶CNN采访了他…… 但我猜他们现在一定后悔了。”↓
关于台湾问题的历史经纬，中方曾反复明确说明。本月3日中国外交部例行记者会上，发言人华春莹再次表示，台湾问题的历史经纬和法理事实清晰明了，任何人、任何势力都否定不了、歪曲不了。远的不说，只说二战结束时，中国对台湾的权益在1943年《开罗宣言》和1945年《波茨坦公告》中都写得非常明确，即日本必须归还包括台湾、澎湖列岛在内的一切在中国所窃取之领土。1971年联大第2758号决议规定，恢复中华人民共和国的一切权利，再次确认一个中国原则。
华春莹还表示，中国政府和中国人民在台湾问题上的立场一以贯之。坚决维护国家主权和领土完整是14亿多中国人民的坚定意志，实现祖国完全统一是全体中华儿女的共同心愿和神圣职责。民意不可违，大势不可逆。任何国家、任何势力、任何人都不要错估中国政府和人民捍卫国家主权和领土完整、实现国家统一和民族复兴的坚强决心、坚定意志和强大能力。
有关英国摇滚乐队平克·弗洛伊德及其联合创始人罗格·沃特斯，公开资料显示，该乐队1965年在伦敦成立，由贝斯手罗格·沃特斯、吉他手大卫·吉尔摩、鼓手尼克·马森、键盘手理查德·怀特以及吉他手西德·巴勒特组成。作为贝司手、主唱之一，以及乐队许多曲目的词曲作者，罗格·沃特斯一直是平克·弗洛伊德乐队的核心人物。
英歌手受访："台湾是中国的一部分，不懂就去读书"
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英国摇滚乐团平克佛洛伊德（Pink Floyd）前主唱罗杰沃特斯（RogerWaters）日前接受美国有线电视新闻网（CNN）访问时，称”台湾是中国的一部分”，引来各界挞伐。
“新闻周刊”（Newsweek）今天报导，CNN主播史默柯尼希（MichaelSmerconish）最近访问罗杰沃特斯，请他谈谈This Is Not aDrill巡回演出中的政治面向。观众们会在这场演出中，看到多名”战犯”的蒙太奇，其中包括美国总统拜登。
罗杰沃特斯谈到为何把拜登列为”战犯”时说：”首先，他对乌克兰问题火上加油。”
“这可是滔天大罪，美国为何不鼓励（乌克兰）总统泽伦斯基谈判，好避免这场可怕的战争？”
史默柯尼希回应说，罗杰沃特斯完全”倒果为因”并”怪罪被入侵的一方”，但罗杰沃特斯不以为然，认为这是”对北大西洋公约组织（NATO）推进至俄罗斯边界的行动和反应”。
罗杰沃特斯对史默柯尼希说，他应该”试着弄清楚，如果中国在墨西哥或加拿大境内部署能携带核弹头的飞弹，美国会怎么做”。
史默柯尼希此时打断说：”我们说话的当下，中国人正忙着包围台湾。”
罗杰沃特斯马上回嘴说：”他们没有包围台湾！台湾是中国的一部分。1948年以来整个国际社会就完全接受这点，如果你连那都不知道，就是书读得不够多，去翻点书吧。”
罗杰沃特斯的言论在推特引发强烈反弹。澳洲战略政策研究所（Australian Strategic PolicyInstitute）国防、战略和国家安全计画（Defense, Strategy and National SecurityProgram）副主任布瑞斯托（Alex Bristow）指出，台湾从未被共产中国统治过。
布瑞斯托发推文说：”罗杰沃特斯是站在哪一边的？他显然一直生活在月球的暗面。”
乌克兰前驻奥地利大使谢尔巴（OlexanderScherba）也发推文说：”嘿罗杰沃特斯，你先是说不会发生战争，因为（俄罗斯总统）蒲亭（VladimirPutin）太好了。”
“（然后）打仗了，你又有话说啦，说这是场师出有名的战争。你干嘛不搬去俄罗斯啊，你这窝囊废、没心没肝、无情无义、迷失的小人物？”
华府智库”欧洲政策分析中心”（Center for European Policy Analysis）高级研究员劳特曼（OlgaLautman）回说：”根据中国的垃圾宣传，他是在吐槽台湾，他似乎可以选择搬去哪里，俄罗斯和中国，搞不好他两边都有拿钱。”
瑞典驻台记者悠野（JojjeOlsson）则写道：”CNN的联络人名单可能缺少台湾分析家，甚至连公民都没有。至于罗杰沃特斯，则是脑袋少了根筋。”
“新闻周刊”已联系罗杰沃特斯的公关询问看法。
Roger Waters slams 'war criminal' Biden, defends China and Russia
'He's fuelling the fire in the Ukraine, for a start — that is a huge crime'
Roger Waters found himself trending Monday morning after the Pink Floyd frontman branded U.S. President Joe Biden a “war criminal” and defended the Chinese government telling CNN’s Michael Smerconish they “didn’t invade Iraq and kill a million people.”
Waters, who is currently criss-crossing North America with his This Is Not a Drill tour, sat down with the TV host to talk politics and was asked why he uses an image of Biden during his concert with the words, “War criminal — just getting started,” during the show.
“President Biden? He’s fuelling the fire in the Ukraine, for a start — that is a huge crime,” Waters responded. “That’s a huge crime. Why won’t the United States of America encourage (Volodymyr) Zelenskyy to negotiate, obviating the need for this horrific, horrendous war?”
When Smerconish said that Waters was seemingly placing blame on Ukraine after it was invaded, the 78-year-old musician fired back.
“Well, any war, when did it start? What you need to do is look at the history, and you can say, ‘Well, it started on this day.’ You could say it started in 2008 … This war is basically about the action and reaction of NATO pushing right up to the Russian border, which they promised they wouldn’t do when (Mikhail) Gorbachev negotiated the withdrawal of the U.S.S.R. from the whole of Eastern Europe.”
Smerconish and Waters also sparred over China’s fresh military drills around Taiwan in response to U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to the self-governed island.
“They’re not encircling Taiwan,” Waters denounced, “Taiwan is a part of China! And that has been accepted by the whole of the international community since 1948 — if you don’t know that, you’re not reading enough.”
Smerconish fired back, saying that China was “at the top of the list” for human rights abuses, which prompted Waters to reply: “The Chinese didn’t invade Iraq and kill a million people in 2003 … who have the Chinese invaded?”
“Their own,” Smerconish interjected, referring to the persecution of the Uyghurs.
“Bollocks,” Waters replied, “absolute nonsense … You should go away and read a bit more and try and figure out what the U.S. would do if the Chinese were putting nuclear-armed missiles into Mexico and Canada.”
Waters also praised Russia for defending the world against Hilter’s “Nazi menace” during the Second World War.
“You got into World War Two because of Pearl Harbor. You were completely isolationists,” Waters argued. “Thank God the Russians had already won the bloody war by then. Twenty-three million Russians died, protecting you and me from the Nazi menace.”
Waters’ rant divided social media, with some praising the legendary rocker for not shying away from controversial topics.
Actor Jesse Metcalfe said Waters was “dropping knowledge!,” while another fan observed, “Waters has been consistent his entire life. He opposes belligerent U.S. imperialism, by far the most destructive force on the planet. It’s absolutely normal to do that, it’s healthy. The only people who aren’t are those deeply affected by relentless corporate media propaganda.”
But Piers Morgan called the bassist, who in the past has been accused of anti-Israel rhetoric, “the dumbest rock star in history.”
Waters seems to know that his comments are dividing fans of his music, but he is unmoved. During the This Is Not a Drill tour, the show comes with a stern warning before the music starts. “If you’re one of those, ‘I love Pink Floyd, but I can’t stand Roger’s politics’ people, you might do well to f— off to the bar right now.”
“That’s a really good way to start the show,” Waters quipped.
Last month, the musician courted controversy when he declared himself “more important” than Toronto music stars The Weeknd and Drake.
Learning that there wasn’t much media interest in his two Toronto shows because his concerts fell on the same night as The Weeknd’s scheduled gig at Rogers Centre, he told The Globe and Mail: “I have no idea what or who The Weeknd is because I don’t listen to much music.”
Waters then hit out at Drake, saying, “And, by the way, with all due respect to The Weeknd or Drake or any of them. I am far, far, far more important than any of them will ever be, however many billions of streams they’ve got. There is stuff going on here that is fundamentally important to all of our lives.”
On social media, Waters was billed as an out-of-touch “old man yelling at the clouds” with one Twitter user calling him a “selfish privileged white boomer.”
