Don DeBar 这是我在中国新疆发现的！

Don DeBar 这是我在中国新疆发现的！ 

YouTube思想者论坛 2024年6月12日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLg2AYEPyBk&t=183s

长期以来，西方媒体编造了很多关于中国新疆的谣言，包括强迫劳动、义务教育、中国对维吾尔族的种族灭绝，甚至强迫新疆穆斯林皈依无神论。事实真的如此吗？带着这些疑虑和焦虑，美国记者、时事评论员唐·德巴尔先生踏上了中国探寻真相的旅程，这就是他的经历。

This is what I found in Xinjiang, China!

YouTube Thinkers Forum  June 12, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLg2AYEPyBk&t=183s

For a long time, Western media has fabricated many rumors about Xinjiang, China, including forced labor, compulsory education, China's alleged genocide of Uyghurs, and even the forced conversion of Xinjiang Muslims to atheism. Is this really the case? With these doubts and anxieties in mind, Mr. Don DeBar, a journalist and current affairs commentator in the US, embarked on a journey to China to find out the truth, and this is what he experienced.

This is what I found in Xinjiang, China!

YouTube Thinkers Forum  2024年6月12日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLg2AYEPyBk&t=183s

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For a long time, Western media has fabricated many rumors about Xinjiang, China, including forced labor, compulsory education, China's alleged genocide of Uyghurs, and even the forced conversion of Xinjiang Muslims to atheism. Is this really the case? With these doubts and anxieties in mind, Mr. Don DeBar, a journalist and current affairs commentator in the US, embarked on a journey to China to find out the truth, and this is what he experienced.

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@LouisDeMontois-Jeauvait 3个月前

I am a French Muslim convert who spent 22 years in Asia, with the last three years in China. During my time there, I visited Urumqi and Turpan approximately 30 times, as some of my primary clients and now friends are Uyghurs. I converted to Islam in Xi'an, influenced by my interactions with Hui Muslims. From my first marriage, I have two children who are half-Hui. They refused to join me in France when I had to leave China, having been exposed to the negative rhetoric about Muslims in French media and the discrimination and daily Islamophobia we face. If you want to witness the oppression of Muslims, look no further than France or French TV channels like CNews or BFMTV. As a proud Muslim, I can openly say that China is one of the most Muslim-friendly countries in the world. This is the reason I am moving back to Hangzhou as soon as my houses are sold.

@yixu4648 4个月前

Good video. Western media is so powerful. The reality in Xinjiang has been distorted in a ridiculous way. We need more videos like this.

@sayaandyangsaya2756 4个月前

yougotthisOnce you understand why some countries cannot find genocide in Gaza, then you immediately understand why they can find genocide in Xinjiang.

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@InoStock-hu2yw

2个月前

I am Swiss, i travelled a lot in china, Xinjiang included, and no I didn't see any repression, oppression or worse in Xinjiang (or anywhere for that matter). All lies (as usual).

What i saw is a tolerant and safe society, and i met lots of very kind Chinese people.

I would highly recommend China as a tourism destination. Much to see and appreciate 

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@adder88

4个月前

In China, lying and spreading rumors are considered shameful things. Obviously, the United States and the United Kingdom do not consider this to be a shame.

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@yoingen

4个月前

As a Chinese, I no longer want to defend myself. The cost of spreading rumors is too low, but the countries that spread rumors are being regarded as "heroes". The world is ridiculous.

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@singularityagi5562

4个月前

Truth prevails! Thank you professor!

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@tonystshung2096

4个月前

I am so happy that you and your group went over to china, Xinjiang, and spoke with the Truth and  cleared all those Anti China propaganda 

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@jakobbergen7574

4个月前

I was working in Panjin, a city in the northeast of China a while ago.  My Chinese wife and I went into this beautiful, obviously very expensively built mosque.  We asked an older man, perhaps a caretaker, how many Muslim families lived in the city.  He said 35.  We asked how could they afford to build such an edifice?He said the Chinese government built and paid for it.  It makes sense to keep the minorities happy.

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@WalkOverHotCoal

4个月前

Thank you for the uplifting personal experience in Xinjiang.

Having lived in many parts of the world, I can appreciate what are the issues that are considered important to most people. Security ranks among the top. Food security, personal security, and security for family. Then of course the future. A secure future for most people is one where you can be sure of steady income, and of curse employment. Health is also ranked top.

Scenes of people arrested on the streets in Xinjiang apparently is a violation of human rights as suggested by the western propaganda. Well, being arrested is never a good thing. However, it depends on which side of the fence you are at. If you are the law abiding citizen, and you see bad people being arrested, then it is a very good thing because your personal security is being enforced. On the other hand, if you are the bad people whose intent is to harm the innocent people, then it is not a good thing.

 

It stands to logic that those bad people made a lot of noises to the western media that their human rights were violated by the law enforcement. And the western media couldn't help themselves to amplify the complaints made by the bad people because it fits in their narratives, to tarnish China's reputations.

Quite a many years after the turbulent days when people were killed and injured by some criminals who used religion for an excuse to carry out the crime. Well, they might be tolerated i the west, but not in China. China looks dimly on people who violated the law. Now Xinjiang is no longer the place where hot-headed, ill-informed Islamic terrorists claimed the streets. The streets now belong to the law abiding citizens.

Now compare that to many US cities where people openly carry semi-automatic rifles as a proof of manhood, and with the excuse of "self protection". It is the job of police isn't it? Yes, but that is the difference between China and the US. Chinese cops deal with criminals, while US cops are overwhelmed by crimes. Drug addicts roam the streets and injecting themselves with cops looking on, is a sign of a crumbling society. Perhaps USA ought to take care of its own problems first before lecturing others.

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@lewislane1143

4个月前

I have personally been to Xian 5 years ago.   It's close to Xinjiang.   There are many many Muslims there.   Everyone looks so happy.   They dance their to their folk songs in the streets.  Muslim shops everywhere.   Mosques everywhere.   The Xinjiang language is on the RMB.   America is lying through thiee teeth saying the Muslim are mistreated.  I believe the Muslims in general are treated better in China than most of the Muslim countries.

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@kwokholuk8723

4个月前

Why does the government of this country care about Uyghur muslims so much but not Iraqi muslim and Palestinian muslims?

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@bernardfong1019

4个月前（修改过）

I traversed Xinjiang for 10 days in May and Uighurs, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Mongols and Hans coexist in harmony and increasing prosperity. I even danced with them in a cabaret. Blinkin is a liar, guilty of blood slander.

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@wisdomtan490

4个月前

The lies can keep going on while the Xinjiang region achieves double digit growth each year. Xinjiang cotton still the best ever industries and influx of foreign investment has been encouraging . Uighur is well treated and they are most probably the best living Muslim in the world today .

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@dorothy0125g

4个月前

CHINA Is great and amazing country ????

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@OddRagnarDengLerstl

4个月前

This is exactly what my Chinese friends are telling. Some are from Xinjiang. I trust them over anything coming out of USA.

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@Duke-uh7jf

4个月前

MUSLIM and CHINA go back thousands of years. Friend. God bless China and MUSLIM

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@victorteo4783

4个月前

Muslims are respected in China, not much can say about the West.

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@lololman

4个月前

US: Genocide in Xinjiang

Also US: No genocide in Gaza

Hypocrisy level: Insane

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@Incognito.ace.786

4个月前

The moment you understand who controls the western media . Almost every thing you heard for the past 10 +years makes sense..

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@rastoferi6012

4个月前

Uyghur parents tell their children to finish their vegetables because there are starving kids in USA

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@renjiemo1788

4个月前

I applaud Mr. DeBar and his team for actually going into Xinjiang and find out for themselves what the facts are. However, western media can simply ignore his findings or even accuse him of being a communist sympathizer. However, providing foreigner youtube vloggers the 144 hour visas is proving to be a much more powerful and effective way for China to let the world see the truth.

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@華開婓

4个月前

China is the most friendly non-Muslim country to Muslims. There are Muslim groups in almost every city in China, who live in harmony with the Han (the largest ethnic group in China) and retain their own living habits - from hundreds to thousands of years.

 

It is difficult for Americans to understand that the Han people in China can always live in harmony with different ethnic groups!

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@sunahamanagai9039

3个月前

Glad this channel exists.

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@rlai2201

3个月前

GOD BLESS CHINA  AND TO THIS BRAVE AMERICAN MAN FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH!

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@Naples-Florida

4个月前（修改过）

Thank you for presenting a different point of view. We need more people like you to counter the biased media propagandas in the world.

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@tomsunuwar6940

4个月前

It’s just ridiculous USA  western propaganda bcoz here ,Beautiful freedoms anicent great China  in the world 

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@benjamincheung7224

4个月前

if it is true that the Muslim in China were being oppressed, the Muslim world would condemning China before the American did, but contradictingly the Muslim world were so friendly with China.

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@hopethisworks1212

4个月前（修改过）

As an Englishman I'd say that standing up for Palestinians is important. You don't do that do you America?....Students excepted. China are our friends. The US just wants to rule the world.

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@GScully42

4个月前

Ya I'm sick of western medias continued lies

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@celanian8188

4个月前

The reports of genocide in Xinjiang always seemed stupid to me.

1)  To lock down 12M+ Uyghurs and 8M other residents of the region to the point of genocide, you would probably need 500k+ soldiers.  Possibly 1M soldiers since the residents are so spread out.  The entire ground army of the PLA is about 1M soldiers.  Nobody seriously thinks the PLA is keeping half or more of their ground army in Xinjiang.  Even if the PLA had that many soldiers stationed there, they would have to build massive supply centers and have huge amounts of truck traffic to feed all the soldiers plus the millions of people supposedly locked up.  We don't see anywhere near the amount of truck traffic and other logistics necessary to maintain anything approaching a genocide.

2) If millions of Uyghurs were locked up, they would be disproportionately the 18-54 demographic since they are the most likely to cause trouble.  Taking that many workers out of the economy would mean that you simply don't have an economy.  Russia has lost about 2M out of a population of 144M due to emigration and conscription in their military.  And Russia already has severe labor shortages.  1-2 million Uyghurs would be the equivalent of 30-60M Americans of prime working age being locked up.  We wouldn't have an economy at all.  Instead, Xinjiang's economy is steadily growing.

3) A people being genocided would either fight back fiercely or flee.  We see that in Ukraine and with the Rohingya in Myanmar or with the Palestinians in Gaza.  We don't see any large scale refugee movements to neighboring countries like Kazakhstan even though the borders are massive. 

4) In all cases where genocide is occurring, collaborators are hated and often killed.  Yet Uyghurs have a massive presence in the Chinese entertainment industry.  A Uyghur actress, Dilraba Dilmurat is the most popular and highest paid actress in all of China.  Instead of being hated, Dilraba and other entertainers like Guli Nazha are just as popular in their home region as they are in the rest of China instead of being viewed as collaborators.

5) If Uyghurs were being genocided, China wouldn't have any friendly relations with their neighbors in the area.  Instead, China is forging many relations with them and Chinese tourists are welcome there.

6) If Uyghurs were being genocided, there wouldn't be tens of millions of tourists visiting Xinjiang.  These tourists don't just visit the cities.  They visit the villages and fields as well.  They bike or hike around as well as more traditional means of transportation.  It would be impossible to hide the soldiers, truck traffic, supply dumps, and massive concentration camps needed for a genocide.

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@yoxat1

4个月前

I know some Uighurs from Xinjiang.

There is no genocide there.

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@VangelVe

2个月前

I was in Ürümqi two or three days before the Hong Kong turnover.  My wife and I planned to go to Hong Kong, but the price of hotels was brutal, so we decided to fly from Xi'an to  Ürümqi and spend a few days looking at Turpan and the dead cities in the Tarim Basin.  The first two days were a blast, and we had a great time, but the next day, some of the tourist sites were closed because the government was expecting separatists to create an incident or two.  We just headed into the desert and thought little of it.  The Muslims seemed to be doing well and were generally happy.  The complaints were mostly about government jobs going to overpaid and arrogant incompetents.  There was a call for more factories to be built so that the locals could benefit from the same type of work that went to the coastal areas in the south.  There was little resentment. 

A few weeks after we got back, I had a drink with a few people from the Canadian and British embassies and mentioned the separatist groups trying to create trouble for the locals.  I was told that we funded them to embarrass the government.  That is why I am not surprised by the lies that we hear about China, India, Russia, and many other countries.

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@gandhi8793

4个月前

India esp Pakli must be very disappointed with your comment.  You exposed their lies.

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@ebola2.0

4个月前

Great video. I would really like to visit China. Im so tired of the propaganda

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@putianren

4个月前

One thing for sure, you wouldn't see

Homeless in Xinjiang.

Most of all you wouldn't see

Uighur REFUGEES from Xinjiang !!!

Muslim in GAZA would love to migrate to Xinjiang

to escape the GENOCIDE by the Israel !!

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@leojones22

4个月前

God bless, Mr DeBar !

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@jayobannon5359

4个月前

Thank you, this is great, I collect URL's to have a comprehensive list of citations to give to the doubters of the U.S.'s lying about other countries.

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@freeworld88888

4个月前

the chinese are the most advance people in the world by that i mean that they have compassion.They have humanity, they have wisom aka experiences, they are courageous.

 they helped america to create the nuclear bombs and end the world.

if you go east asia, you see the chinese, they are real, how they behave and talk and act, they are as it is. if you go to japan, people ritual polite in front of you after you left, they judge you and talk behind your back. in korea, they claim to be superior in cultures etc. in vietnam, philipines etc play victims.

chinese are the real human beings, they don't judge or complain , even so many past invaders came and did evil things.

china is going to be number one once again, we are lucky , now we have share future. thank you for tell the facts on the ground.

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@meow4619

4个月前

They say: "There is no genocide in Gaza"

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@arnoldsaunders6073

4个月前

There are enough videos from Western vloggers who have travelled in Xinjiang. Furthermore, Dilraba Dilmurat and Gulnazar, who are Uighurs, are two very popular actresses in China.

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@ablefamilee6538

4个月前

This World Needs More People Like Your Good Self and More Countries

Like China so That Life On Planet Earth Would Be HEAVENLY WHILST WE ARE STILL ALIVE.

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@starfish253

4个月前

Thank you for telling the truth!

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@shiishinchiu6636

4个月前

I am a good face reader and just as he was eating at a restaurant, there was a woman who confronted him, asking him, "why is your Government lying about us to the world", it hit the spot in my mind and I got to know this gentleman here is telling the truth.

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@Robert-n5t9v

4个月前

I hope the professor will not loose his job for telling the truth.

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@cinnamomumcamphora8943

4个月前

Thank you for telling the truth, but Americans don’t like such honest good man!  Anyway this is a great video!  Thanks for sharing!

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@yaphonghor4409

4个月前

Thank you for visiting China to see for your own eyes about how various races live in China! China has been a harmony society sine the founding of PRC, with various races and religions living together for thousands of years!!!

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@eddiehah9842

4个月前

Keep on enlightening the world to debunk Western countries' lies.

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@vansanghuynh6676

4个月前

thanks a lot for telling us what you see there,not what the media spreads all over the world

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@TheU2now

4个月前

We have so much crime here in US. If the US government really want to work for the people, it should learn  from the Chinese how to help those under- educated and jobless people here to get the real jobs. Open up some education centers for the poor and teach them the skills so that they can get jobs instead going around to commit crime.

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@adamrosendahl8090

4个月前

I went to China a few months ago, not Xinjiang though, and I also came to the conclusion that people in my own country of Canada would be envious of China. Canada has been stuck in the past for what feels like decades and China just constantly improves in every way. Socialist society vs. capitalist society. 

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@BobbyAngmalaysia

3个月前

And Australian media kept telling their people China is ready to invade 

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@bernielamy5135

2个月前

Thanks for correcting the perception that's been hammered here all the time. We even have protests every week at Sydney Town Hall (Australia) with horror stories about the treatment of Uyghur in China. Cyrus Janssen told us it was not true, but I'm glad you confirm it. Why the lies? Who does it serve?

@lagrangewei

4个月前

why she took it personally is alot of muslim lost their job because the companies were afraid of hiring them out of accusation that they were slave labour. it is very damaging and hurting to the community to see their income drop as they are deny the option to work in NMC and have to work in local firm that could only pay less...

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@chw5044

4个月前

Great China. A wonderful country to live for everyone...

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@ameliah8164

4个月前

Every university cafeteria in China has a dedicated halal cafeteria area. I am just stating the facts.

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@biggychaka6780

4个月前（修改过）

Now plan another project and go to several  native American reservation and talk to people there.  Someone close to me was a teacher at a school in native American reservation so I had  an opportunity to visit two of them and I have learned  about others as well.  Some of  the structures ( I don't want to call them houses) they live in don't have plumbing and running water.  Some don't even have electricity in them.  Many are not heated in upper Midwest where temperatures deep below zero.  Many suffer from life style diseases like diabetes. ..etc.   Low level of education attainment.  Now compare that to Xinjiang.  America has tons of problems at home that it needs to fix instead of pointing fingers and looking for non existent accusations of genocide.  Looks like China is doing a better job of taking care of its people and social problems.

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@frankmanzhu

4个月前

I haven't been to most places inside China. But I guess I want to visit there myself and see what's life over there with my own eyes. Thanks for sharing your story.

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@Kenshin009

4个月前

Thank you Mister Don Debar for your informative commentary about China.

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@jackchiu7560

4个月前

American accusation of Xinjiang genocide is hollow, without a single proof. And they hold steadfast on the "moral high grounds" while assisting in the crime against humanity in a far-away land. Surreal!

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@unifieddynasty

4个月前

It would be against China's rational self-interest to do genocide in Xinjiang, because most of China's friends and allies for over two thousand years have been Muslims and Middle Easterners.

China's history is exemplified by the Silk Road, which connected to the Persian Royal Road and the Arabic and Turkic caravansaries, as well as the Treasure Fleet commanded by the Muslim-Chinese Zheng He. In contrast, America's comparatively short history has been exemplified by its numerous invasions and regime change attempts, especially in the Middle East.

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@emperor270353

9天前

If you were impress by Urumqi, Xian and Dunhuang, wait till you visit Chongqing, Shanghai, Kwangzhou, etc you will be blown away by the developments in these cties..

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@janitadubois1043

3个月前

Was there last month for about 10 days. Beautiful land, amazing people, rich culture. Peaceful, openminded, modern, clean, safe, diversify and most of all eveyone feel FREE. They are happy. The rest of the world please, instead of speculating, go there to witness yourself. Eyeopening in a pleasant way!

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@Gooodyoutuber

4个月前（修改过）

Pointing fingers at others is easy, but solving one's own problems is difficult- you know which state I am pointing to...

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@vestasharp6861

4个月前

Antony Blinken: "The real genocide is happening in Xinjiang not Gaza."

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@athtar

4个月前

Thank you for telling the truth

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@yooo-e9h

1个月前

谢谢你的真诚善良

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@johntaylor3298

4个月前

Thank you, I enjoyed your talk and made me listen intently. face-red-heart-shape

@ashleyz2551

3个月前

Thank you! Your tell the truth about China! Welcome come to China for you all!

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@thomasho4825

4个月前

Thank you for your honest statement

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@limhong1095

4个月前

 long live incredible China    Long live  President Xi ?   

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@WORLDPEACE2628

4个月前

Too keep the money printing game going, the Collective West,  needs chaos in other parts of the world!

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@jimwuhan5336

4个月前

We are Chinese, we were astonished when the western countries were trying to smear Chinese with this kind of genecide lying coordinately again and again. Actually the Chinese government treat Uyghur people with much respect, they have more freedom with their culture, they can do things which are not allowed for Han ethics. Thank you for spreading the truth.

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@william1389

3个月前

Great comments on this topic. Thank you!

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@anglerfish61

3个月前

I respect this very much. The only way to know what you think is to experience it yourself. If you hear someone else talk about it, its their experience not yours.

@khangaming5067

4个月前

Thinkers forum you should correct  word fund to found.. Hit the like if you agree

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@anakborneo7993

4个月前

We need to have sympathy to US they are so poor they live in tents 

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@danielpaco2000

4个月前

The western msm is trying stubbornly how to turn a lie into a reality by lying 100 times, magically. 

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@PisciTear

3个月前（修改过）

Please allow me to share your video in my public list. A lot of people cannot research in person, or refuse to admit that their current impression is misinformed because the process to say "I'm wrong" is painful to a lot of people. But once you see and admit the fact that all efforts we put is to pursue peaceful, happy life with everyone on our land, you become stronger, more hopeful and your mind will be set free from the evil intention of certain media.

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@johnlang7178

4个月前

Chinese culture is together we advance.  Western culture is I advance by stepping on you.  Win win vs zero sum concept.

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@etrainnew2840

4个月前

Thanks for being honest

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@driftert5687

4个月前

Well, you saw the "ethnic genocide" in Xinjiang according to Mr. Anthony Blinken, and may be the "slavery labor camp" too ...

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@valerietweedie4376

2个月前

Thank you for this thoughtful video.

@mikely7354

2个月前

Thank you for providing this angle.

@44bett

4个月前

OUTSTANDING - thank you for this very informative report.

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@????????????????-?3?

4个月前

Honestly at the beginning I thought you will

Polly China  which I as MUSLEM respect

And admire for what they accomplished for

There people from my  big hag to the

Great leadership of the Great Government

Of CHINA  we Arab people love you  ?

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@richardwong2950

4个月前

Truth always prevails.

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@saintmichael5814

8天前

Thanks for reflecting the truth to the world.

@chrisg2918

4个月前

Very informative video. Thank you.

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@std882

4个月前

Excellent report.

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@qianyoupan7787

4个月前

welcome to china, hope you enjoy your time there, you 'd better visit xinjiang in july or august, you can have delicious fruits there, various kinds of fruit, they are delicious.

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@hans7166

4个月前

This is an honorable scholar who tells what he saw and believes.

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@liewcp8833

4个月前

The Uygur population in Xinjiang: 3.61 million in 1953 increased to over 8.34 million in 2000 and further increased to over 11.62 million in 2020.

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@beckyluk6587

4个月前

Really appreciate your first hand experience

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@daffyduck4195

4个月前

The UN investigator originally wrote that there was no persecution of the kind but the day before she resigned from working at the UN she denied her investigation.

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@buravan1512

4个月前

URUMQI, KASHGAR... are thousands years old.

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@febriarnolie6897

1个月前

I’m Uyghur I’m Muslim, as a muslim I was circumcised, that is why I can not lie, it was indeed hurt experience being circumcised, but we are happy here coexist with Hans and other races, don’t spread lie, no discrimination here, don’t worry n be happy, YOLO!

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@mauriciolizarbe4835

3个月前

The people of Xinjiang must rises up

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@dionwoo7059

4个月前

Thank you sir for your truth

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@HCChan-q9f

4个月前

Thanks for making an English title for this clip which came out few days ago with Chinese title only.  But it should be “found” not “ fund” in the title. Nice to correct it asap

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@4-SeasonNature

4个月前

Evil politicians.

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@jiajiaphotography

3个月前（修改过）

Thanks for spreading the truth

@nextinstitute7824

2个月前

What I am noticing is no negative comments ... At all...

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@cam35mm

4个月前

I suggest that this University group go over to the US and interview people and let them fill out questionnaires. And you don't even need to target the homeless people, then put the video out on this channel. That is how it should be done, the comparison.

 

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@Xx-he9qe

4个月前

Maybe also a video about “this is what i found in gaza”

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@papalarge168

4个月前

I always wonder if this has anything to do with trying to sabatage the silk road initiative.

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@ultash

2个月前

Thank you to all the conscientious people in the world.

@petarjasic3161

4个月前

Nice to hear te real thruth.BRAVO.

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@rwksasc

4个月前

The USA: what’s important is that you get to vote.  Doesn’t matter whether your vote gets you what you want.

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@manubande

4个月前

Much respect to China and shame on US governemnt !

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@1943colin

3个月前

Have they killed as many as the Americans killed native Indians in their rise to power?

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@ikkong8436

3个月前

Urumqi has developed so much since i visited it in 1995. It is unrecognisable to me now! In 1995, it was drab and rather dusty but, wow, now it's modern with skyscrapers and high speed rails. The old railway then went no further than Urumqi and any journey beyond had to be done on road transportation which was rather poor then.