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Zimmerman案的本质是社会治安问题,社会治安仅仅依靠警察、依靠监狱是不够的,或者说,仅仅依靠法制是不够的,还必须佐以人治、依靠宗教和道德的规范。

美国是个法制的国家,但是宗教和道德约束薄弱,崇尚个人主义、个性自由和人权,进一步削弱了法制的权威。在人的缺乏道德约束面前,法制被人的智慧玩弄和戏耍,法制对维系一个公平和正义的社会的功能越来越薄弱。在最近一个时期,西方社会面临越来越严重的经济危机,导致政府功能的萎缩,直接影响到维持社会治安的警察的群体利益,警察已经逐渐变成依靠损害公众利益来增加其功能的重要性,以公共利益的社会治安来要挟政府部门,这一切构成了美国社会最大的危机。

政府没钱支付警察的开支,警察就开始犯罪,那么这个社会就成为没有公共安全的社会,就沦落为丛林规则的社会,在这个社会里,每一个良民都被迫自卫,生命财产的安全投资大大增长,迫使公众或者出纳更多的治安费用,或者社会崩溃进入无政府状态。

从我个人的经历来看,中外的公检法都是没有公义的,美国好不了多少。平时警察的功能就是罚款,一旦惹上任何案子,法制系统是无法依赖以获得正义和公平的。

在这种社会大环境下,民众自卫是迫不得已,而民众自卫本质上是对警察维护治安的补充,表达了民众对警察的不信任,表达了警察功能的缺失。

如果对于警察在当今社会的真实角色的认识,就会发现,警察的根本作用是欺骗老百姓,骗保护费的。警察根本无法制止惯犯的犯罪,警察和罪犯是一伙的、共生的,都是良民的寄生虫。

所以,要么忍受警察和罪犯合伙对良民的敲诈,要么就是良民自己武装起来保卫自己的生命财产。从这个角度来看Zimmerman案,一切都是清清楚楚。

罪犯所以会成为惯犯,就是因为犯罪的未有效的制止。一个流氓之所以会成为罪犯,就是因为社会缺乏治疗机制,没有道德谴责机制,却有对待社会恶习的麻木和冷漠,任其发展,最终导致犯罪。

所以,当社会整体的自我清洁功能丧失以后,这个社会就成为犯罪横行的无法无天的社会,在这个社会里,罪犯越发品尝到犯罪的甜头,而警察明里暗里纵容、旁观和冷笑。

所以,这就是Zimmerman案子的全部背景。Zimmerman携枪巡逻社区,有错吗?没有。跟踪可疑人有错吗?没有。接下来,黑人少年和Zim打在一起,是Zim主动挑衅黑人少年,并且处心积虑地开枪打死他,还是黑人少年主动接近Zim?这个细节的讨论我暂且按下不表,单说Zimmerman携枪巡逻,这如果合法,那么这个枪难道是烧火棍吗,是个摆设吗?这杆枪是平民自卫的权利,是神圣不可侵犯的。
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mapesbel 回复 悄悄话 bl 评论于:2013-07-16 18:14:56 [回复评论]

二级谋杀罪不够格,防卫过当应该可判。

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大晚上,黑灯瞎火的,被一个黑人打倒在地,不管换了谁,只要有枪,也该拔枪了。
mapesbel 回复 悄悄话 zimmerman停下车,走到车外,是去看路标去了,因为他要告诉警察他的具体位置。至于他俩为什么打起来,很多人不相信zimmerman的话,大家有很多猜测。但是没有目击证人。法律不能靠猜的。疑点利益只能归于被告。
bl 回复 悄悄话 二级谋杀罪不够格,防卫过当应该可判。
LemanRuss 回复 悄悄话 回复xwenxuecityy的评论:
“Z滥用他的权力,挑拨,激怒,又杀死了一个无辜的少年。”
你被媒体忽悠了,忽悠的很厉害;Z既没有挑拨(按各种版本,Z要么是去问M他在干嘛,要么是在走回自己的车,然后被M打),M更不无辜(无辜的人就不会骑在人家身上把人家的头往水泥地上砸,更不会因为看人家貌似没有携带武器就仗着自己人高马大动拳头)。
Etornado 回复 悄悄话 哈哈,过路人路过和xwenxuecityy扛上了。xwenxuecityy到处拉屎,难得过路人路过到处去帮他擦。
过路人路过 回复 悄悄话 "There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law, and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way, other place to go." she said.

It sounds as if the jury gave it more than their all, especially if a "couple of jurors" wanted to find him guilty of something. They read the laws that govern the charges and they just couldn't make one stick under the circumstances. This is why Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges
过路人路过 回复 悄悄话 好了找到原始出处了。请仔细看英文报道。
是一开始的时候陪审员有分歧。有陪审员成心要证明Zimmerman 有罪。但是在检查证据和法律条文很多遍后,还是无法证明Zimmerman有任何罪。最后无罪的判决还是6人一致做出的。
陪审员相信:
开枪前的呼救声是Zimmerman的。
Zimmerman受到了生命威胁。
陪审员没有考虑肤色和种族:

楼下的xwenxuecityy 是不是当年的4级都没过?


Juror B37 said that if Zimmerman was guilty of anything, "he was guilty of not using good judgment." She also said that he called 911 from the car and he should not have gotten out of the car.

This well spoken juror conveyed that she thinks that Zimmerman got in way over his head and she believes he shouldn't have been there, but she also believes Martin threw the first punch. She said she thinks Martin wasn't going to let Zimmerman think he could scare him and she "thinks Trayvon got mad and attacked him."

It was apparent to Juror B37 that it was Zimmerman's voice heard on the tape screaming for help because he felt his life was in danger. This was before he shot Martin. The juror said:

"He had a right to defend himself," she said. "If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him, or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."

The initial vote was divided, Juror B37 shared with Cooper. At first three of the jurors voted Zimmerman was guilty and the other three jurors voted that Zimmerman was not- guilty. Juror B37 said that she was one of the people on the jury that believed he was not guilty from the get go.

"There was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law, and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way, other place to go." she said.

It sounds as if the jury gave it more than their all, especially if a "couple of jurors" wanted to find him guilty of something. They read the laws that govern the charges and they just couldn't make one stick under the circumstances. This is why Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges.

It wasn't the color of Trayvon's skin that made Zimmerman suspicious, it was the way Trayvon was acting. She does not believe that Zimmerman profiled Trayvon. She went on to say how Trayvon's actions looked suspicious to George:

"Anybody would think anybody walking down the road, stopping and turning and looking -- if that's exactly what happened -- is suspicious," she said.

"I think all of us thought race did not play a role," the juror said . "We never had that discussion."

There you have it, the race discussion never came up because the six jurors didn't believe that was an issue in this case. Juror B37, who was planning to write a book about this experience, sounded as if she started to cry towards the end of the interview as her voice cracked when she said:

"It's a tragedy this happened. But it happened, And I think both were responsible for the situation they had gotten themselves into. I think both of them could have walked away. It just didn't happen."

Just hours after the interview was over, Jury B36 literary agent, Sharlene Martin, released a statement from Juror B37 saying she would no longer write a book.
汽笛风琴 回复 悄悄话 I was using Google on my iPad. You might want to try juror b37, Anderson cooper.
过路人路过 回复 悄悄话 回复汽笛风琴的评论:

给出的连接不 work.
临江县知县 回复 悄悄话 揍人的理由太多了。
你是城里人,和我争执就是对我们乡下人的不敬。vise versa
你是北方人,和我争执就是对我们南方人的不敬。vise versa
你觉得你该挨揍?如果挨揍,你有没有权力自卫?想通这个问题就明白这个案子了。
汽笛风琴 回复 悄悄话 http://ipad.gossipcop.com/gossipcop/#!/entry/george-zimmerman-juror-b37-reveals-jury-vote-to-anderson-cooper,51e49eedda27f5d9d0f87a3a
判决结果。 xwenxuecityy 没造谣。
braker999 回复 悄悄话 请问楼主知道有公检法,那么警察和司法哪个对治安影响大?
当一个警察被判8年,因为打死一个把他打倒在地抢枪的人,别说警察不会抓贼,有选择的都不会当警察!不信?去问问你祖国吧。
责任在于司法,而根本在于你这种良民的不作为!
亦樵书法1 回复 悄悄话 如果在中国,那叫保安无奈开枪击毙嫌犯,要发奖状,大伙也要去搓一顿的
过路人路过 回复 悄悄话 过路人路过 评论于:2013-07-15 20:44:31 [回复评论]

为什么楼下的不停的造谣?消息出处在那里?一点常识都没有。陪审团裁决要全体同意,要么有罪,要么无罪。如果分歧不能统一,就要retrial. 不排除一开始有意见分歧,但最后的无罪应该是6人的一致意见。

Z仅仅行使了他自卫的权力而已。

看你造谣就知道你的智力有问题。如果碰到你被人攻击,你就期待着对方发善心,不把你打私打残好了。



xwenxuecityy 评论于:2013-07-16 04:12:40 [回复评论]
Z滥用他的权力,挑拨,激怒,又杀死了一个无辜的少年。这判决是一个典型的司法秀。
判决的内幕是,一票二级杀人,两票过失杀人,三票无罪。司法只能保证他不入狱,保不了他一辈子平安。
你跟着Z学吧。看看到时司法会不会把你这个黄种人当庭释放
xwenxuecityy 回复 悄悄话 Z滥用他的权力,挑拨,激怒,又杀死了一个无辜的少年。这判决是一个典型的司法秀。
判决的内幕是,一票二级杀人,两票过失杀人,三票无罪。司法只能保证他不入狱,保不了他一辈子平安。
你跟着Z学吧。看看到时司法会不会把你这个黄种人当庭释放
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