杰瑞·格雷揭秘中国民主制度

杰瑞·格雷揭秘中国民主制度

杰瑞的中国观 2025年10月17日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNW0isuvzvU

在本期节目中，我们与长期观察中国的杰瑞·格雷一同探讨西方媒体报道之外，中国治理和问责机制的运作方式。我们将聆听一位农民工改变数百万人命运的励志故事，并了解领导力、政策和公共服务在基层的实际运作方式。

你可能经常听到这样的故事：中国是一个残酷的独裁政权，而西方民主国家则赋予人民真正的发言权。但故事的转折点在于：在西方，政客们通常要听命于富有的捐赠者，而在中国，领导人无法被收买，他们往往关注大多数人的需求。

今天，我们再次邀请到长期观察中国的杰瑞·格雷，与我们一起探讨代表制是如何运作的，并聆听一位农民工通过努力改善数百万人生活的耐人寻味的故事。这是一个只有在中国才会发生的故事。
所以，西方国家经常把中国描绘成一个独裁政权。

中国如何看待自己？它的政治体制实际上是如何运作的？“全过程民主”的概念在中国的语境下意味着什么？他??们称之为“全过程人民民主”。

是的。我个人希望他们不要使用“民主”这个词，因为不是这个词错了，而是西方误解了这个词。在英语中，“民主”的意思是“一人一票”。那是民主。那根本不是民主。

我看到有人这样描述中国民主，认为它是一个过程，有结果，而西方的民主仅仅是一个过程，仅此而已。中国是一个独裁政权。毫无疑问。这是写进宪法的。中国是无产阶级专政。

这意味着“人民”这个名字，“人民”这个词在中华人民共和国，在全国人民代表大会、中国人民政治协商会议、全国政协，“人民”这个词总是出现。人民武装警察部队、中华人民共和国、人民解放军、
人民解放军、海军、空军。“人民”这个词经常出现。

这意味着人民告诉政府他们希望如何被管理。这是通过全国人民代表大会来实现的。全国人民代表大会不是由党员组成的。我认为60%的代表都不是共产党员。嗯，他们还有其他党派。是的。这些其他党派是合作的，而不是对抗的。所以他们不像两党制，一个党掌权后说，我们要在四年、三年或五年后做到这一点，这取决于你们的宪法。另一个党掌权后说，我们要废除它。这在中国不会发生。所以从这个方面来说，连续性非常非常好，人们需要理解这一点。现在你可以说习近平是个独裁者。他根本不是。

习近平是由全国人民代表大会任命的，全国人民代表大会可以罢免他。他们任命他，也可以罢免他，这写在宪法里。所以当人们说她是独裁者时，他们不明白是谁在对他发号施令，那就是人民。所以，整个过程中，人民民主运行得非常好，我和大多数批评中国的人一样，对此持最大的怀疑态度。我不认为这是真的，这不是真的。大约三年前，我因为我的YouTube视频而被选中。后来我才知道，正是因为我的YouTube视频，广东省人大副主任选中我与广东电视台合作，制作一系列关于广东民主进程的电视节目。而这个过程是由广东电视台负责的。他们带我去了广东境内的不同地方，让我可以问任何我想问的问题。

他们给了我一个剧本，你知道，当我和个人谈话时，我可以问任何我想问的问题。

但我手头有一个剧本，基本上是关于我在那个地区所关注的民主的各个方面。所以剧本在那里，但我可以修改。我的意思是，这不是杰瑞说了算的情况。

而是杰瑞，给你一些指导方针。所以只要不超出这些指导方针，我想说什么就说什么。但我没有被要求说的任何话，我本来就不会说。所以我被赋予了编辑的自由。我看了之后，拍了六集，下个月，也就是10月16日和17日，我们会拍下一部。我会再次和他们一起拍摄另一集，我想应该是最后一集了。我甚至不确定我们会去哪里，但我们会去广东省的一个地区，看看民主的运作方式，就像这样。所以我会给你举一个郑的例子。

安，我居住的城镇，我居住的城市。

一位女士是全国人大代表，17岁时才刚从甘肃来到约翰·桑丹迪。她几乎没有什么正式学历，也没上过大学。当时她17岁快18岁了，我不确定是她的朋友还是姐姐邀请她来这里，因为甘肃的中安镇有工作。甘肃位于中国西北部，与新疆、上海等西部城市接壤。所以她从中国农村来到中安镇，一到这里就找到了一份工作，这就是我这么喜欢她的原因。我刚到澳大利亚时，她找到的工作和我一模一样。

她最初在一家服装厂的门口工作。白天，她是一名保安，负责检查工厂生产线的进出情况。所以，在休息日，她一个月只能休两三天。她没有时间自己安排时间，而是去工厂学习缝纫和机器操作。这对她很有帮助，因为她可以利用业余时间使用机器为自己制作东西，同时也学会了如何操作机器和在工厂工作。

她被提拔为机器操作员，后来成为高级机器操作员。后来，她被提拔到质量控制部门，因为她在业余时间尝试研究质量控制的各个方面，并改进了一些服务流程，因此她被提拔负责质量控制。

最终，她成为了工厂的运营经理，我认识她的时候她就是这个职位。但这并不是她进入全国人民代表大会的原因。她在这段时间里做了什么？我们说的是20年。她结婚了，生了一个儿子。在早期，她的儿子——所有流动人口、务工人员的孩子——被迫要么回家和祖父母住在一起，要么他们的母亲被迫回家，这样他们就可以在他们学校所在的当地学校免费接受教育。所以，他们的户口在甘肃。她被迫带着孩子回到甘肃。她不想这样。所以，她联系了当地的学校，问：“我怎么才能让我的儿子进你们学校？”

当儿子快到入学年龄时，他们说：“真的不行。

如果要去上学，你必须付钱。”她付不起钱。于是，她说：“那么，我可以去你们学校做志愿者吗？”是的，我们需要志愿者。我们需要有人在校门外管理学校的交通，包括放学和放学时间。她做了这些，然后又在食堂做了一些其他的志愿者工作，还帮了学校一些忙。最后他们同意了，你的孩子可以来我们学校了。她必须通过各种各样的考验，有些是火圈，有些是很难突破的障碍，才能达到目的。所以她把所有事情都记录下来了。

这是她做保安时养成的习惯，她会记录所有事情。她记录了整个过程。然后有人问她：“你到底是怎么把你的孩子送到当地学校的？我们得把孩子送回去和祖父母住。”

她说：“嗯，是的，就是这样。我记录下来了。”她把记录记了下来，打印出来，还复印给朋友们看。中安社区有人听说了这件事，说我们能不能把这个印出来发给其他工厂？当然可以。

后来，省人大有人看到或听说了这件事，就说你想不想加入省人大，这样就能在各地推广。她当然同意，于是就成了广东省人大代表。全国人大有人说，你觉得能在全国推广吗？于是她就成了全国人大代表，每年都去北京参加各种大型会议，她还见过习近平主席之类的。甘肃一所学校的一位女孩成了全国人大代表，因为她有一个想法，让中国的每一位农民工都能从中受益。这就是人民民主的运作方式。

这是一个制度。这么多年来，很多农民工一直抱怨这个“勾搭”制度，它迫使他们与子女分离。中国妈妈爱自己的孩子。她们不想一年有九到十个月都和孩子分开。她们根本不想这样。但这就是当时发生的事情。

现在因为这位女士，情况不必如此了。所以，这只是一个例子，还有很多其他的例子。法律会改变，但改变很小。你知道，地方政府会改变，然后地区政府也会改变。

国家政府会说这是个好主意，然后中央政府或市政府会说这很棒，然后
事情就是这样发展的，这就是整个过程，人民民主的运作方式。感谢Jerry与我们分享这些引人入胜的见解。几天后，我们将深入探讨Cherry的个人经历：是什么让他第一次来到中国，为什么他最初如此挣扎，以及是什么让他最终爱上了这个幅员辽阔、复杂而迷人的国家。

他亲眼目睹了这一切，甚至骑行数千公里穿越中国，才真正了解中国。

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China Democratic System Exposed with Jerry Grey

Jerry's Take on China  2025年10月17日
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNW0isuvzvU

In this episode, we sit down with longtime China observer Jerry Grey to explore how governance and accountability function in China, beyond Western headlines. Discover the inspiring story of a migrant worker who changed millions of lives, and learn how leadership, policy, and public service actually operate on the ground.

You've probably he usual story that China is a brutal dictatorship while western democracies give people a real voice. But here's the twist. In the West, politicians often answer to wealthy donors while in China leaders can't be bought and tend to focus on the needs of the majority.

Today we are joined once again by Cherry Gray, a longtime China observer to explore how representation actually works and to hear an intriguing story of a migrant worker whose efforts helped improve life for millions. It's a story that could only happen in China.
So Jerem in the west China is often portrayed as a dictatorship.

How does China view itself? How does its political system actually function? And what does the concept of whole process democracy mean in the Chinese context? Whole process people's democracy they call it. 

Yeah. I I personally wish they wouldn't use the word democracy because it's not that the word is wrong but the word is misunderstood in the west. In English language the word democracy means one vote one person. That's democracy. That's not democracy at all.
Um I've seen it described as Chinese democracy is a is a process and with outcomes whereas democracy in the west is simply a process nothing more. China is a dictatorship. No question about that. It's written into the constitution. China is a dictatorship of
the proletariat. That means that the name people, the word people in the People's Republic of China, in the National People's Congress, in the Chinese political people commission, the the CPPC, the word people comes up all all the time. the People's Armed Police, the People's Republic of China, the People's uh Liberation Army, the
People's Liberation Army, Navy, Air Force. The word people comes up a lot.

And what it means is the people are telling the government how they want to be managed. And that's done through the National People's Congress. The National People's Congress is not made up of party members. I think 60% of the Congress are not Communist Party members. um they they have other parties. Yes. And those other parties are cooperative, not confrontational. So they it's not like the two-party system where one party gets in power and says we're going to do this four years later, 3 years later, or 5 years later,
depending on your constitution. another party gets in power and says we're going to undo this. That doesn't happen in China. So in that respect, continuity is very very good and people need to understand that. Now you could say that Xi Jinping is a dictator. He's not at all. 

Xi Jinping is put into place by the National People's Congress and the National People's Congress can remove him. They put him in place and they can remove him and that's written
into the constitution. So when people say she is a dictator, they they fail to understand
who dictates to him and that is the people. So whole process people's democracy works incredibly well and I was the biggest skeptic of it like most of the people who criticize China I was nah that's not true that's not true I was selected about three years ago because of my YouTube I I found out later it was because of my YouTube the deputy director of the Guangong People's Provincial People's Congress selected me to work with Guandong television to make a series of TV shows about the process of democracy in Wandong. And that process was managed by uh Guong television. They took me to various different locations inside of Guandong and allowed me to ask whatever questions I want. 

They gave me a script and you know when I was talking to individuals I could ask whatever
questions I wanted. But I had a script which was basically about whatever aspect of democracy I was looking at in that region. So the the script was there but I was able to rework the script. I mean it wasn't a case of Jerry say this.

It was a case of Jerry here's some guidelines for you to say. So I would say whatever I wanted to say as long as it stayed within those guidelines. But there there was nothing not a single thing that I was asked to say that I wouldn't have said anyway. So I was
given editorial freedom of this. So the I looked at and we made six episodes and we're making another one uh next month on the 16th 17th of of October. I'm going with them again to make another episode uh which I think will be the final one and I'm not even sure where we're going but we're going to a regional part of Guandong province to look at how a part of democracy works and it works like this. So I'm going to give you an example from Jongan, the town that I live in, the city I live in.

A lady who was a member of the National People's Congress, had come as a 17-year-old school lever, had come from Gansu to John Sandandy. She had very little in the way of formal qualifications. She didn't go to university. She was 17 turning 18 and her friend or sister I'm not sure had asked as asked her to come and join her because there was work in Jongan from Gansu. Gansu is way out in the northwest of China borders with Shinjang and Shanghai and places like that way out west. So she'd come from rural China into Jongan and when she arrived here she got a job and this is why I liked her so much. She got a job exactly the same as me when I arrived in Australia.

She started her life on the front gate of a clothing factory. During the daytime, she was a security guard checking things coming in and going out of the factory line. So on her days off, she would only get two or three days off a month. Instead of having the time
keeping the time to herself, she would go into the factory and she learned how to sew. She learned how to use the machines. Now, that helped her because she was able to use the machines in her own time to make stuff for herself, but she also learned how to operate the machines and work the factory.

She was promoted to a machine operator and she became the senior machine operator. She was then promoted to quality control because in her spare time she had tried uh looking at different aspects of uh quality control and she improved some services processes that they had and so she was promoted to be in charge of the quality control.

Eventually she ended up as the operational manager of the factory and that's what she was when I met her. But that's not why she was in the National People's Congress. what she'd done during this period of time, we're talking about a 20-year period, she had got married, she'd had a son, and in the early days, her son was forced uh all migrants, workers, childrens were forced to either go back home and live with grandparents or their mothers were forced to go back home so they could be educated for free in the local school where their hooko was. So, they had a household registration in Gansoo. She
was forced to go back to Gansoo with her child. she didn't want to do this. So,
she contacted local schools and said, "How do I get my son into your school?"
When when the son was coming up to the age and they said, "You can't really.

You have to pay if you're going to do that." She couldn't afford to pay. So, she said, "Well, can I work as a volunteer in your school?" Yeah, we need volunteers. We need people outside the school gates to look after the traffic at you school kicking out time and school coming in time. So she did that and then she did some other volunteer work in the canteen and then she just helped the school out and eventually they said well okay your your child can come to our school and she she had to go through a very a variety of different hoops some of them flaming hoops as well some of them were very very difficult
stumbling blocks to get to the point. So what she did was she documented everything. 

This is a habit she got when she was working as a security guard documenting everything. She documented the whole process. And then people said to her, "How the hell did you get your kid into a local school? We have to send the kid back to live with grandparents."
And she she said, "Well, yeah, here's this. I've documented it." She wrote it down and she printed it and she would give it copies to her friends. Somebody heard about this in the Jongan community and said can can we print this and publish it for other factories? Sure.

And then someone from the provincial people's congress saw this or heard about this and said do you want to come onto the n the the provincial people's congress so that this could happen everywhere and she sure okay so she became a member of the Guandong provincial people's congress and somebody in the national people's congress said do you think that you could do this nationally so she became a member of the NPC going to
Beijing every year for the meetings the big meetings there and she she's met xi Jingping and stuff like this. This is a girl from a school in Gansoo who is a member of the National People's Congress because she had an idea that has helped every single migrant worker in China can now benefit from her idea. That's how old process people's democracy works.

It's a system. For so many years, so many migrant workers had complained about this hookco system which forced them to separate from their children. Chinese mothers love their children. They don't want to be separated for 9 10 months of the year. They don't want that at all. But that was what was happening.

Now it doesn't have to because of this lady. So there's one example and there are so many others. Laws get changed but they get changed small. you know a local government will change it and then the regional government will say that's a good idea and then the national government or the municipal government will say this is great and and that's how it develops that's how whole process people's democracy works thank you Jerry for sharing these fascinating insights with us in our next conversation coming up in just a few days we'll dive into Cherry's personal journey what first brought him to China, why he initially struggled with it, and what eventually made him fall in love with this vast, complex, and captivating country.

He's seen it all firsthand, even cycling thousands of kilometers across China to truly understand it.

That's it for today. If you enjoyed this video, don't forget to like, share, and subscribe so you won't miss the next adventure. See you soon in the next video.