Jayant Bhandari 印度文化、西方文明、加拿大卡车司机、觉醒主义

Jayant Bhandari 印度文化、西方文明、加拿大卡车司机、觉醒主义

Jayant Bhandari: Indian Culture, Western Civilization, Canadian Truckers, Wokeism

2022年2月12日 The Labyrinth Podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSkxycGcjQ&t=702s

Jayant Bhandari 是一位投资者和企业家，尤其专注于自然资源领域。他是《自由杂志》的特约编辑，并为《自由杂志》、米塞斯研究所、凯西研究、《采矿杂志》等机构撰写政治、经济和文化方面的文章。他每年在温哥华举办一场名为“资本主义与道德”的哲学研讨会。在本期节目中，我们将探讨印度文化、道德沦丧、西方与其他国家、自由主义、觉醒文化、西方文明、新冠疫情下的威权主义、封锁、加拿大卡车司机起义、贾斯汀·特鲁多的懦弱、废钞、加密货币以及印度腐败的官僚体系。录制于 2022 年 2 月 11 日 Instagram: / thelabyrinth.podcast 播客：Pratham Padav |推特：@whoispadav |电报：放映员嘉宾：Jayant Bhandari |网站：http://jayantbhandari.com/ | YouTube: / jayantbhandari

章节：

0:00 简介

0:47 印度的过去

2:08 堕落的印度文化

10:36 两害相权取其轻

12:51 印度道德价值观的缺失

15:03 多元化与觉醒文化

22:56 西方的衰落

27:19 经济与道德价值观

30:58 堕落的印度文化 - 第二部分

35:41 印度的权力下放

42:51 疫情下的威权主义

51:33 加拿大卡车司机与特鲁多

55:02 加密货币有价值吗？

57:15 头巾问题与文化偏见

1:00:03 印度的腐败

1:02:16 印度还有希望吗？

1:03:34 中国

1:08:16 西方的印度人

1:09:30 人生的意义

引言

欢迎来到“迷宫”节目，我是主持人 Pratum Padal。如果您想支持我的播客，请关注我的播客。

购买我的T恤链接在简介里。今天我的嘉宾是 Jayanth Bhandari。

他是一位投资者和企业家，尤其在自然资源领域。

他也是《自由》杂志的特约编辑，

还为 Myceas 研究所、Casey 研究矿业期刊等撰写过政治、经济和文化方面的文章。他每年在温哥华举办一次名为“资本主义与道德”的哲学研讨会。

简介

欢迎来到迷宫，我是主持人 Pratum Padal。如果您想支持我的播客，请购买我的T恤。链接在描述中。今天我的嘉宾是 Jayanth Bhandari。他是一位投资者和企业家，尤其擅长自然资源领域。他也是《自由》杂志的特约编辑，还为 Myceas Institute、Casey Research Mining Journal 等撰写过政治、经济和文化方面的文章。他每年在温哥华举办一次哲学研讨会，主题是“资本主义与道德”。欢迎来到迷宫巨人。

之前在印度的生活

我想先问一下，在移居加拿大之前，你在印度的生活怎么样？Pratham，我在印度是一位非常成功的高管，离开印度之前，我负责两家欧洲公司的印度业务，其中一家成为了印度市场上最大的设备供应商。所以我在印度取得了两次非常不错的成绩。就在那时，我意识到，我成功的原因并非在于我的能力或设备的质量。我当时在一个极其腐败的环境中工作，那里唯一重要的事情就是贿赂。贿赂在印度非常普遍，从最高层到最低层的人都在索要贿赂，但我在印度就是这样做的。我的职业生涯非常成功，后来我辞去了工作，搬到了加拿大。印度文化中有什么让你感到特别惊讶的地方？

印度文化的堕落

这种想法不允许我们像西方或东亚那样进步。嗯，印度人最大的问题是缺乏道德意识。印度人没有是非观念。他们现在可能非常虔诚，但他们的宗教信仰带有宿命论的色彩，带有物质主义的色彩。他们害怕某些事物，而这些恐惧又让他们变得虔诚。但印度的宗教环境并没有带来任何精神上的觉醒，也没有带来道德意识。印度是一片道德意识的荒漠。这个国家没有道德意识。现在人们懂得并说正确的话。所以，如果你问别人，腐败是坏事吗？盗窃是坏事吗？嗯，他们都会说对的，但他们的行为却并非如此。你可以在街上遇到亲戚或某个人，那个人会告诉你腐败有多严重，如果他当上了国家的总理，当着你的面，他会怎么做。

五分钟后，这个人到处行贿，获取不劳而获的利益。现在他甚至不一定会把属于他的东西送给新娘，但他行贿是为了侵占他人财富，或者是为了增加自己获得不属于自己的东西的机会。所以，印度人根本没有道德良知。印度人大谈是非对错，但最终却没有在国家层面付诸实践。这难道不讽刺吗？

这片土地，这个国家，道德意识的荒漠，虚伪的土地，因为虚伪随处可见，却也孕育了如此多的大师和服装。这没什么奇怪的。我们或许应该对印度创造的所有伟大哲学家抱有强烈的民族主义和崇敬之情，而印度确实也创造了一些伟人。但请记住，地球上五分之一或六分之一的人是印度人。所以，如果五分之一的哲学家是印度人，那这的确是件好事。但我们甚至连五分之一的伟大哲学家都不是来自印度。如果只有一位的话。如果真的是二百分之一，那我才会感到惊讶，我也会非常惊讶，所以我们并没有创造出那么多哲学家，但是话虽如此，印度创造了一些伟人，但是每个国家都创造了自己的伟人，我不得不说，在当前的民族主义环境中，印度人认为他们是人类的摇篮，他们完全错了，印度不是人类的摇篮，虽然印度创造了一些伟大的哲学家，但他们中的大多数是在离开印度并开始在西方社会生活后才得到认可的，呃，你认为我们如何改革印度文化，嗯，改革印度文化没有简单的方法，这不是一个需要几代人或几个世纪的过程，这很容易花费一千年，改变社会是一个非常漫长的过程，在社会中创造道德意识是一个非常漫长的过程，因为一切都是相互联系的，你不能孤立地创造道德意识，这是一个整体的过程，是一个有机的过程，这是一个需要非常如果你回顾欧洲历史，你会发现他们花了很长时间，呃，很多很多个世纪，我可能会说三千年，才达到今天的水平。呃，你知道，即使在那时，一切都很脆弱，所以创造道德意识是一项极其艰巨的任务。呃，我们当然可以做的就是迈出第一步。现在，第一步是什么？我的观点是，我们应该吸引最优秀的人才来管理国家的机构。因为民主，我们引进了最差劲的人来管理我们的机构。实际上，我们的机构里都是些底层人士，

他们极其腐败，极其以自我为中心，唯物主义，是地球上真正最坏的人。现在，我们怎样才能找到最优秀的人才来管理政府呢？看看阿拉伯联合酋长国是如何运作的，

或者看看新加坡或香港是如何运作的，看看台湾、韩国甚至日本是如何运作的。他们的做法是，他们经常从世界各地引进最优秀的人才来管理。他们的机构我们也应该做同样的事情，我们应该摆脱印度这些愚蠢、彻底愚蠢、智商低下的政客，极其残暴的官僚，用世界上最能干的人来代替他们，把他们从美国带来，从英国带来，把他们安置在那里，管理你们机构的人不一定是印度人，对我来说，谁来管理我的机构并不重要，只要这些机构能够履行职责，我认为这是第一步，引进来自世界各地的最优秀人才来管理我们的机构，但这只是有可能的。

两害相权取其轻

说到民主，我想问你一个问题，我之前在节目里问过苏丹·拉吉，在过去几次选举中，我以前投票的时候，都是投两害相权取其轻的票，但现在我根本不想投票，干脆抵制选举和民主。你认为我们印度人应该怎么做？我们应该投票还是不投票？嗯，如果我知道谁是两害相权取其轻，我很乐意投那个票，嗯，但这几乎是不可能的。普拉瑟姆，嗯，问题是你试图区分三分之一的狗肉A和三分之一的肉B，现在哪一个更美味，我不知道，我没有调色板来区分这三个，这就是我们今天面临的问题。嗯，当我看到美国正在发生的事情，当特朗普和拜登之间展开竞争时，嗯，如果我必须投票，我很乐意去投票给特朗普，因为

在我看来，差异很大。在我看来，特朗普显然比拜登好得多。但当我看印度时，我发现政客之间没有区别，他们几乎是一样的。是的，从表面上看，一个政客可能比另一个政客更好，但我和他们并不亲近，我没有每天和他们在一起，我对他们没有足够的了解，无法判断哪一个更好。所以如果我在印度，我很可能不会投票，因为我的选票在那个国家真的没有什么区别。

印度缺乏道德价值观

如果我们放弃社会主义，接受自由主义，印度会更好吗？这完全是无稽之谈，普拉瑟姆，说印度实行社会主义，印度根本没有社会主义。印度是一个联邦制国家，是一个原始丛林国家。社会主义对印度来说将是一个巨大的积极举措。还记得吗，在20世纪60年代、70年代和80年代，印度得到了苏联的帮助，而苏联是一个社会主义共产主义国家。

苏联的人均GDP是印度的很多很多倍。

如果我没记错的话，它至少是印度人均GDP的10到20倍。所以，社会主义国家比印度表现得非常好，而且社会主义国家现在仍然比印度好得多。看看印度和古巴的比较，古巴比印度富裕得多。再看看厄瓜多尔，厄瓜多尔比印度富裕得多。事实上，拉丁美洲大部分国家都是左翼国家。这是社会主义，但他们比印度好得多，所以呃社会主义是一个可怕的概念，pratham，不要误会我的意思，但印度制度比社会主义糟糕得多，社会主义至少需要第一秩序的道德价值观，对吧，印度甚至没有第一秩序的道德价值观，对吧，印度只是一个丛林，它是一个联邦制的地方，没有对错，社会主义者至少开始思考什么是对的，什么是错的，他们错了，但印度甚至还没有开始这个过程，所以我们比社会主义国家糟糕得多，与我们本来的社会主义国家相比，呃

多样性与觉醒文化

好吧，换个完全不同的话题。长期以来，西方的自由主义者一直认为多样性是好的，社会将从中受益。但与此同时，全球化和多样性也摧毁了地方文化和小型社区。最多元化的城市往往犯罪率最高。但看看你，一个加拿大的棕色人种，你似乎从全球化和多样性中受益。总的来说，我们应该感谢多样性，还是应该批评它？哦，我就是多样性和全球化的巨大受益者。如果我以前被困在印度的一个小镇上，收入几乎与现在相比一无所获，我的生活很美好。即使在印度，我的生活也很美好。我也是薪酬更高的高管之一。我20出头的时候，在印度担任两家欧洲公司的首席执行官。所以，嗯，我的生活很棒。全球化和多样性给了我很多，但是什么呢？它给予我的东西并不代表它给予了普通人。

我的观点是，如今的印度在很多方面都比30年前糟糕得多。

在科技兴起、进步兴起之前，原因当然是pratham说的。

看起来，如果我们没有经历这场科技革命，你的生活会比现在好得多。

但无论你住在哪里，只要开车出去，

离你住的地方10公里，你就会发现污染比30年前严重得多。

人们迫切需要食物和工作。呃，你知道人们有手机，

但他们在手机上看的是色情内容，交换迷信，所以他们的受教育程度

并不比没有科技的时候高。所以，如果你看看全球化，我认为90%的印度人并没有从这场全球化、科技革命，甚至所谓的经济进步中获得任何好处。

剩下的一半人可能从中受益，但这并不能说明情况。普通人

呃，现在的多元化，对西方社会来说无异于自杀。

因为只要美国人、加拿大人、澳大利亚人和新西兰人

还在引进来自欧洲或东亚（东亚指的是日本、韩国、

还有中国）的人才，他们就把欧洲和

东亚的精华带到美国、加拿大、澳大利亚和新西兰。现在，这种情况在过去四五十年里发生了变化，

因为他们取消了移民必须是欧洲人的要求。

现在，他们引进来自世界各地的人。问题是，当他们引进来自第三世界国家的人时，

他们大多引进的是没有道德意识的人，问题依然存在。

再说一次，普拉瑟姆，如果你

呃，如果你向来自非洲、印度次大陆，甚至拉丁美洲的人敞开大门，你就会让更多缺乏道德意识的人涌入你的国家，而这正是问题所在。比如说今天的美国或加拿大，它们都是伟大的民族大熔炉，但如果你拥有道德意识，如果你相信西方文明的价值观，它们就是伟大的民族大熔炉。但你清楚地看到，在过去的40到60年里，那些移居到美国、加拿大、澳大利亚和新西兰的人，都是物质至上、缺乏道德意识的人，这在一定程度上对这些国家的文化产生了负面影响。你对自由进步主义者所宣扬和传播的“文化和癌症文化”有什么看法？因为你在过去几分钟里说过，来自第三世界国家、非洲、南亚的人没有道德意识，你可以这么说，但如果一个白人说了和你一样的话，自由主义者会给他贴上种族主义者或白人民族主义者的标签，即使他客观上是对的。当然，你知道，这就是我想为我今天所居住的地方做出贡献的方式，我想利用我能够……比白人多做几件事，这本不该发生。我们应该能够自由发言，我们

应该能够说出自己的想法，人们应该有机会

与我争论辩论，或者说我错了。但如今，被取消的

文化在西方社会占据了主导地位，觉醒文化占据了主导地位。

现在，在我全面回复你之前，让我先解释一下“自由主义”这个词。“自由主义”这个词非常令人困惑。在英国，“自由主义”这个词意味着与自由、个性和自我责任有关。它与荣誉和正直的概念有关。而在美国和加拿大，“自由主义”的含义则完全不同。它意味着没有自我责任感。它意味着盯着别人的钱包，试图从别人的口袋里偷走尽可能多的钱。

西方的衰落

虽然西方在过去一个多世纪里发展得相当不错，这得益于理性和理性思考，但在过去的一二十年里，主要是因为左翼自由主义者和进步主义者，西方似乎正在慢慢地

衰落，出生率下降，犯罪率上升，政治正确性，他们甚至对如何定义男人和女人感到困惑，我们是否正在见证西方的末日？是的，我的意思是让我纠正一下，我认为西方社会在过去的一百年里表现不佳，我认为西方社会已经达到了它的巅峰，几百年前，这不一定立即反映在经济上，西方在文化上比现在优越得多，大概一百五十年前，西方社会比现在优越得多，是的，西方社会已经达到了顶峰，西方社会正在迅速地恶化，嗯，我认为地球上最好的国家是美国

嗯，一个我曾经热爱、现在仍然热爱、并且仍然在那里度过很多时间的国家，正在走向衰落速度最快，最大的问题就是所谓的多样性，也就是你之前提到的那个。多样性意味着他们接纳了来自世界各地的各种人，这些人拒绝融入社会，拒绝尊重西方文明，拒绝理解西方文化，对西方哲学一无所知。所以美国现在有大量这样的人。事实上，如果你看看统计数据，就会发现加拿大和澳大利亚的第一代或第二代移民的数量。你就能大致了解未来会是什么样子。我认为大约26%的澳大利亚人和加拿大人是第一代移民，这意味着他们可能有一半的人口是第一代或第二代移民。如果移民太多，那么来自自己社会之外的人就会稀释你的文明。我完全理解，如果你只移民0.1%的人。你们的人口来自你们社会之外，但让这个比例达到25%到50%真的太可怕了，对你们的社会来说简直是自杀，而西方国家就是这么做的。还有很多其他原因，但这只是我认为其中一个原因，舒适、奢侈和闲暇时间……对社会文化……可能有害，也可能有害。

因为它会让你变得迟钝，让你对继续为文明而奋斗的必要性缺乏认识。

我认为这在西方社会也发生过。他们没有……所以他们……没有这种为正义而战的冲动。

也就是说，他们不一定会……像50年前那样……挺身而出。现在，我必须再次强调，像印度这样的国家和像加拿大这样的国家之间存在着巨大的差异。如果加拿大街头出现任何麻烦，

许多人都会挺身而出帮助你。这是一个伟大的社会，但与过去相比……存在和竞争，看看西方这些国家的发展方向，我相当确信，西方的黄金时代已经结束，而且正在迅速衰落。

经济与道德价值观

呃，我知道印度缺乏道德意识和生产性文化，但我们先把这个问题放在一边，假设这根本不是问题，一旦我们解决了这些道德和文化问题，你认为印度能从自由主义和无政府资本主义中受益吗？嗯，你的意思是，砍掉树根，如果我们给树施肥、给它通风，树会长得好吗？不幸的是，如果你没有打好根基，树就长不起来，再也直不起来，最终会倒塌。

相信我，没有道德意识，就没有进步。你可以取得一些短期的进步，你的生活可能会有一些短期的改善，但这是不可持续的。你可以看看过去30年发生的事情，如果你不同意我的观点，Pratham，但印度人的健康状况在过去30年里迅速恶化，现在…… 40岁的人走路都走不直，因为他吃了太多糖，吃了太多垃圾食品，他把时间花在了太多的休闲上。他压力太大，因为他想赚越来越多的钱，最终的结果是，在我看来，进步并没有真正对很多人的情绪和心理健康产生多大好处。看看女性，呃，在过去的30年里，这个国家的女性获得了很大的自由，但我害怕在飞机上坐在一个女人旁边，我的意思是，她最终可能会以在拥挤的飞机上强奸我的罪名指控我，这在今天的印度确实可能发生。所以，如果根源不正确，如果原则不存在，那么一切都会被用于堕落的目的。没有道德意识，一切都不可能。什么是自由主义，什么是资本主义？资本主义和自由主义是非常深刻的道德概念。它们不是经济概念。记住，即使是“经济”这个词的含义也发生了变化。当亚当·斯密写他的书时，他写了关于这本书的名字是什么？社会的道德情操，或者其他什么，我不记得了。这本书是关于道德价值观的，经济学是关于道德价值观的，自由主义是关于道德价值观的，资本主义是关于道德价值观的，那么你怎么能把道德价值观从一个实际上是道德概念的东西中分离出来呢？呃，你可以强制执行一个道德结构，但至少这个道德结构必须由有道德的人来执行，所以你，我，这就是我最初说的，你必须从世界各地引进最优秀的人，他们有道德意识，有技能，有能力，知道对错之分，如果他们创造了一个结构，社会确实可以改善，但如果你认为你可以消除道德价值观，仍然有一个进步的社会，那你就错了，我认为我能想到的唯一解决办法

堕落的印度文化 - 第二部分

听了你所说的一切，我们不得不推翻印度的民主，如果我们……推翻民主，有什么实际的选择？Pratham，你知道，今天人们认为，嗯，印度人想要争取……呃，所谓的自由，呃，我的意思是，记住，印度从未获得过自由，从未获得过独立，统治者从英国人变成了呃，脑死亡的虐待狂，这就是我们今天所拥有的，呃，对我来说真的重要吗？

是白人强奸我，还是棕色人种强奸我，如果我被强奸，我无论如何都会被强奸。我只希望强奸犯对我不那么残忍，显然……英国人不那么残忍，如果你能比较一下英国和……印度现政权的残忍程度，我的意思是，今天去警察局，人们会被警察公开殴打，但法院却没有采取任何行动。不要对警察采取任何行动，警察可以逍遥法外，而这在1947年之前英国统治印度时是不存在的。我们现在知道，因为我们被告知的历史是选择性的，我们只学到了历史的一小部分，我们被告知印度人正在为独立而战，不，印度人并没有为独立而战。少数在英国接受教育的人回到印度，发起了这场所谓的独立运动。大多数社会人士对这场独立运动一无所知，也不感兴趣。据我所知，很多领导人，比如拉宾德拉纳特·泰戈尔，并不支持独立运动。事实上，拉姆·莫汉·罗伊是利用英国来改变印度文化、改善印度文化、结束殉道制、结束印度教和伊斯兰教的邪恶可怕的方面的积极参与者。所以很多印度领导人都支持英国，他们希望英国继续统治，他们不喜欢这场独立运动，他们知道会发生什么。如果印度现在实现了所谓的独立，pratham，你有没有在国内任何地方看到过拉贾拉姆莫汉罗伊的雕像？我不这么认为，没有，没有，我们没有，我们不承认那些改变我们社会的人，拉贾拉姆莫汉罗伊，他是结束萨蒂普拉塔的关键人物，好吧，现在女权组织应该承认他为印度所做的一切，嗯，我们没有，嗯，嗯，现在英国布里斯托尔的拉贾拉姆莫汉罗伊雕像在哪里，因为我们看不到人类的伟大，所以我们不承认他们的伟大，所以一方面，有很多领导人反对所谓的独立运动，他们知道如果印度获得所谓的独立，印度会发生什么，但印度的大量人口也知道一旦英国人离开会发生什么，40年代印度出现了大规模的人口外流， 50年代，他们去了英国生活，现在这些人，呃，你知道你可以把我算在这些人之中，我们摆脱了白人，然后我最终生活在一个白人国家，理论上由白人统治，所以很多人认识到印度人无法管理我们的机构，印度人会摧毁一切，在40年代和50年代，他们离开印度，定居在英国，他们做得非常好，因为这是离开印度去西方生活的印度人的精英，是的，嗯

印度的权力下放

如果我们的国家权力下放或解体，印度会更好吗？嗯，嗯，你知道印度会权力下放，它会解体，嗯，你知道，有趣的是，我们相信成为全球强国，

我们相信印度对世界的重要性，但印度对世界来说并不重要，根本没人关心这个国家。

这里的人们口头上支持印度，但除此之外，他们根本不关心印度。印度正在分崩离析。走出家门，印度正在分崩离析。

因为印度领导人的素质太低，而且实际上很消极，因为他们真的脑子不好使，他们真的是瘾君子，他们真的是虐待狂，印度正在你眼前崩溃。你只需要出去走走，感受一下这个社会是如何运转的。现在没有什么能维持这个国家的团结。低智商的人的问题在于，这些虐待狂的问题在于，他们甚至无法管理一个小系统，但他们想把系统做得更大。规模更大，因为这能让他们获得更大的生态满足感，从而更好地控制社会。但他们在精神上无力管理大型机构，嗯，而且对于任何尝试过管理印度人来说，这都很简单，嗯

你知道，如果你有一个只有五个人的小型制造厂，试着管理他们，这是一项极其艰巨的工作，因为没有人能做好自己的工作，除非你不停地监督他，所以你不可能拥有更大的机构、更大的运营和一个集权的国家，而印度有这种强烈的集权本能，印度会分崩离析，印度会随着时间的推移而瓦解，但这对国家有益吗？你试图比较狗a的三分之一和狗b的三分之一，嗯，记住，在英国人到来之前，印度从来都不是一个国家，印度是英国的产物。

现在印度是英国的产物，而且

在印度人的管理下，印度会变成部落，成为一个联邦制国家，他们会自动瓦解，嗯，我不确定情况会好转还是恶化。不管印度会发生什么，印度人的生活未来都会比现在糟糕得多。印度人的生活随着时间的推移越来越糟，所以请记住，无论我们是实行集权还是分权，印度都不会改善。

除非我们找到更好的领导人来管理国家。是的。

你对印度人和整个印度的批评非常准确，

我相信很多印度人会非常震惊，因为当我走出家门，和人们交谈，或者当我查看WhatsApp群组里的家人时，他们充满希望，他们会说，在纳伦德拉·莫迪的领导下，印度会成为世界领袖，他们会用这些夸张的词汇，诸如民族主义、沙文主义之类的词汇。你认为为什么现实和印度人的想象之间存在如此巨大的矛盾？这实际上是一个巨大的问题。

对于印度人来说，很多人会根据他们对印度未来的看法来反驳我。

现在你不能拿苹果来比较了。和

和大象，别再拿苹果和橘子比较了，他们总是拿苹果和大象比较。

你知道，我参加过一些投资会议，有人告诉我，印度未来20年的经济增长率将达到每年15%，而且会

超过美国，因此印度现在比美国更好。这真是愚蠢得令人难以置信，但印度的逻辑有其自身的结构，完全不合理，而且只适用于所谓的受过教育的人。呃，兄弟，有件事我告诉你，非常有趣。呃，我在西方生活了30年，你知道，我之前批评过西方社会关于觉醒的人，

你知道，我可以和人们坐下来批评美国的某些政策，为什么它应该

干涉中东事务，我可以说，嘿，美国军队毫无理由地杀了那么多人，我不记得有哪个美国人告诉我，为什么我反美，为什么我不喜欢美国。不要因为我说了什么关于美国的负面言论就得出结论，因为我说的都是我在印度的反美态度。几乎每次我说了任何对印度不利的话，我都会立刻被指责为反民族主义者。就是这样，这就是说，印度人对一切都很情绪化，只要看事实，坚持事实，讨论事实，而不是情绪化。事实上，我站出来发声，不是因为我反印度，也不是因为我讨厌印度，我希望印度进步，我希望印度好，但这只有当我能指出印度社会存在的错误时才有可能。如果我们不指出这些错误，什么都不会改变，但印度人不会听我的。问题是他们没有道德意识，他们奉行的是权宜之计、物质主义和自我中心主义。

疫情威权主义

正在转向一个完全不同但重要的话题。你对正在进行的贪婪威权主义有什么看法？嗯，嗯，天哪，我的意思是，这真的太蠢了。2016年11月，纳伦德拉·莫迪宣布废钞时我在印度。2020年初，他关闭了所有地方，我也在印度。

嗯，我认为这些决定，即使是小学生也不应该接受。他们太幼稚太天真了，对国家没有任何好处。嗯，说到废钞，现在印度的现金比以往任何时候都多。嗯，印度的腐败现象更严重。现在印度的受贿和现金交易比以往任何时候都多。我最近在印度参与了一些事情。我告诉你，我离开印度的时候，印度还没有今天这么腐败。我的意思是，如今腐败的贿赂在这个国家公开进行。现在，说到贪婪，我的意思是这个。简直疯了，那些本应是社会道德脊梁的印度中产阶级竟然毫无脊梁可言，他们根本没有

为社会提供任何精神营养。我的意思是，这些白痴在他们的公寓楼里敲打着锅碗瓢盆，以为敲打那些锅碗瓢盆就能摆脱贪婪。他们根本不明白，99%的印度人会遭遇什么。是的，这些住在封闭式社区的印度中产阶级，有佣人，可以在家工作，他们可能还能拿到工资，因为他们在公共部门公司或大公司工作，这些公司会继续支付工资。但是，那些住在农业区村庄的佣人、佣人，98%的人，99%的人，他们不得不步行数千公里回家，因为纳伦德拉·莫迪凭借他至高无上的智慧，叫停了所有航班、火车和公共汽车。这些人在炎炎夏日里，带着孩子和行李步行回家，数百人……数千公里，我的意思是，这是一场毫无意义的人道主义灾难。我想说，我的意思是，纳伦德拉·莫迪真的应该面临种族灭绝的指控，因为他做出了一些荒唐的决定。印度警察殴打那些试图去医院或试图从令人窒息的棚户区出来的人。这太荒唐了。其他地方也发生过封锁，但印度的情况没有这么荒唐。对于一个穷国来说，印度确实是一个特殊的国家，因为很多其他贫穷国家认为，我们太穷了，无法效仿中国或美国的方式。我们应该让社会保持开放，承担后果。他们做得比印度这样的国家好得多。我们摧毁了经济，我们拿数亿人的生命开玩笑。我想说一些有点残忍的话。这些人，这些可怜的移民，他们走了几百英里，却死在路上。我也很生他们的气，因为他们也要为此负部分责任。就在这场移民危机之后，比哈尔邦举行了选举，这个邦输送了大量移民劳工，他们让人民党的联盟再次获胜。所以，这些可怜的人投票支持自己的苦难，这很讽刺。这又回到了缺乏道德意识的问题上，抱歉，是缺乏道德意识。他们无法正确地串联起问题，因为他们没有道德意识，所以无法区分是非对错。你看一个普通的印度人，如果他被某个长辈打了，他会怎么做？他会去打别人，他会去打小扎帕，好吧，他不会反击他的长辈，你可以看到全国各地都是这种情况。我的意思是，我上的是印度最好的工程学院之一，我对所看到的一切感到非常震惊。当我们在大学里骚扰新生时，会发生我们所说的欺凌行为，很多人不喜欢。很多新来的人不喜欢，但一年后

他们也做了同样的事情。当我告诉他们，听着，这太残暴了，你为什么要这么做？

他们的反应是我们受到了伤害，或者我们被打了，所以我们现在要打人。我说，好吧

这完全没问题，但与其去打那些和你无关的人，不如去打那些打你的人。印度人，即使是所谓的聪明人，也没有道德意识，因此他们无法做出正确的决定。印度人

他们认为自己很精明，他们是我认识的最容易上当的人之一，因为他们没有道德意识。他们没有，他们的思想没有坚定的基础，所以他们无法

区分是非对错。他们很容易被愚弄。你和一个印度人说好话，他很快就会对你产生好感，而他却没有意识到这一点。

加拿大卡车司机和特鲁多

加拿大卡车司机起义，我用了“奖励”这个词，因为我认为这不是抗议，所以这远不止于此。嗯，我很高兴你问了这个问题，因为当我说疫苗强制令会取消，而且会在接下来的几周内取消，感谢加拿大卡车司机，加拿大卡车司机在抗议疫苗强制令方面带来了一场革命，你必须对他们的所作所为表示高度敬意。嗯，正是如此。我只是想稍微回答一下你之前关于这个问题的问题，这就是我对印度穷人的期望，也是我对印度中产阶级的期望，我本来希望他们在2020年3月货币废除和封锁期间会说，嘿，我们不会听信

这种愚蠢的话，你不能把人打得皮开肉绽，警察不能仅仅因为他们死了就把人打得心跳加速，然后去医院。现在，加拿大卡车司机们带来了一场革命，他们带来了他们改变了思维方式，嗯，他们为那些反对日益增长的暴政的人们提供了一种方式，让他们团结起来，反击暴政，记住西方文明是一种文明，而且我不得不说，它是

我所知道的唯一文明。印度不是一种文明。第三世界国家不是文明。西方社会

是我所知道的唯一文明。它们之所以成为文明，是因为像这些加拿大卡车司机这样的人。他们为正义而战。他们为光荣而战。他们挺身而出，反对错误。嗯，所以是的，卡车司机有加拿大卡车司机。我做得非常出色。如果我对身为加拿大人感到自豪的话，那就是这个。接下来，我将问一个非常尖锐且带有偏见的问题。嗯，你认为

贾斯汀·特鲁多是个懦夫吗？哦，贾斯汀·特鲁多是第三个瓦尔德觉醒者，嗯，自由主义者，他没有主见，他掌权主要是因为王朝原因，也因为他的长相。很多女人都喜欢他。他的长相让我很困惑，这在很大程度上说明了民主的本质。这些受过教育的女性因为他的长相而投票给他。她们本可以很容易地去脱衣舞俱乐部，她们可以花五到十五美元去脱衣舞俱乐部，看看一个更帅的男人。这完全是愚蠢的，我的意思是，这家伙是个代课老师，他甚至不是一个正式的老师，他教他滑雪板和滑雪。我的意思是，这家伙没有管理机构的经验，最后却成了首相，这就是民主给机构带来的堕落。民主就像白蚁，它很快就会吞噬一切，然后所有的机构都会很快被吞噬。我知道你要讨论的两个话题是

加密货币有价值吗？

我经常谈论的是投资和自由，嗯，现在我们看到

很多人投资加密货币，他们认为这将开启一个新的经济自由时代。你对这些加密货币有什么看法？嗯，没有道德意识的根基，就不会有自由。我们可以，嗯，你可以逃离，你知道你可以

通过对表面现象进行一些小修小补来逃离暴政环境。

但这只能造福像你我这样的人，无法造福于

更多的人。如果更多的人没有道德觉醒，

我们也会灭亡。所以我们需要的是一个健康的

有道德意识的社会，让拥有自由的人能够生存下去。现在加密货币

或许加密货币或类似的东西可以为那些

追求自由的人提供一条逃生路线，嗯，但这对现在的情况不利，这不会

把社会从暴政中解放出来。加密货币是正确的选择吗？

嘿，我没有投资。我认为任何加密货币都是由 1 和 0 组成的，没有任何云端支持。

对我来说，这赋予了它们零价值，所以我不使用加密货币。我看不出加密货币有什么价值。

我不认为加密货币能让你真正摆脱货币暴政。呃，问题是有很多。

有很多事情。交易成本巨大。归根结底，加密货币的价值都是以

法定货币来衡量的。呃，如果加密货币被禁止了怎么办？

如果，呃，你没有网络连接怎么办？呃，我自己也不认为加密货币有任何价值。

我认为简而言之，它们的价值为零。嗯。

头巾问题与文化偏见

好吧，我住在卡纳塔克邦沿海的芒格洛尔。我想你知道最近这个地区发生了什么。一些公立学校拒绝

穆斯林女孩戴着头巾进入校园。我们看到双方的社区紧张局势和宗教主义都在加剧。戴着藏红花色披肩的男孩制造了混乱，甚至在某些情况下引发了暴力。而另一方的情况也好不到哪里去。你怎么看待这件事？你认为这两个混乱的宗教之间永远无法和平共处吗？不，他们永远不会和平。问题不在于这两个宗教，二分法也不在于伊斯兰教与印度教之间的对立。二分法在于，印度人本身就不爱好和平，他们总是抱怨，把所有的问题都归咎于别人，总是仇恨他人。所以，如果把印度教徒和穆斯林分开，会发生什么？穆斯林之间会发生冲突，冲突就会发生。什叶派和逊尼派之间，以及什叶派不同教派之间，正如你在孟加拉国和巴基斯坦看到的那样，斗争将会持续下去。如果印度真的变成了一个只信奉印度教的国家，会发生什么？印度教徒会开始内斗，因为他们会改变信仰，认为自己比毗湿奴教更好，你知道，各种各样的愚蠢行为都会再次出现。所以问题不在于伊斯兰教与印度教之间的对立，而在于我们不是理性的、有道德根基的人，除了部落之外，我们基本上都是部落成员。我们总是在与其他部落争斗，我们总是在寻找其他部落来战斗，然后在我们的部落内部，我们争夺部落的至高无上地位，谁想成为部落的领袖，所以到处都是争斗。这就是你在全国各地看到的情况。你看看印度的任何小团体，任何小办公室，看看那里的文化是如何运作的。办公室里充斥着可怕的办公室政治。人们互相憎恨，看看家庭是如何运作的。非常不正常，他们家庭里的人互相憎恨，所以呃，这个

穆斯林印度教问题不是真正的问题，真正的问题是印度人就是这样，你如何从根本上改变他们的性格。

印度的腐败

我无意涉及个人问题，但因为你提到了家庭问题，我看到你脸书上不久前发过帖子，呃，我相信你的一个家庭成员正在骚扰你父亲，贿赂一名政府官员，试图夺走他的土地。呃，那里到底发生了什么事？这简直太疯狂了。呃，pratham，呃，到底发生了什么事？我的一个家庭成员聘请了一位律师，这位律师把武装暴徒带进了我爸爸的房子，并且控制了整个警察系统，这意味着

没有人接我爸爸的电话，没有警察系统，没有老年人健康热线接听我爸爸的电话，警察在没有进行任何调查的情况下就登记了警方案件。当然，这个国家不一定会进行调查。问题是，没有社会动力来

找那些有犯罪倾向的人说，嘿，这是错的，别再做了。我看到的是，社会上的人要么置身事外，要么……他们想参与的时候，只想让自己看起来不错，而不是做正确的事情。他们不想告诉伤害我爸爸的人，嘿，你做错了，退一步，如果你继续做这些事，我们会在社会上抓到你。但我们没有那种社会力量，因为我们在社会上缺乏道德意识，而且，在过去三个月里，我看到社会上腐败、堕落和堕落的行为简直骇人听闻。我现在告诉大家，我对印度的看法完全错了。印度比我想象的要糟糕一百倍一千倍。印度是一个完全堕落和堕落的社会。印度还有希望吗？

印度还有希望吗？

嗯，就像你说的，孤立的人还是有希望的，人们应该一直寻找摆脱困境的出路。呃，你知道那些想用加密货币摆脱货币暴政的人，我能理解他们，只是我自己不喜欢加密货币，但我能理解他们，有办法可以摆脱当地的暴政，我完全理解这些人。呃，印度人有出路吗？是的，我认为印度人有出路，但只有孤立的印度人，那就是离开这个国家。你知道，看看中国，中国是一个很棒的国家，中国就像一个第一世界国家。我从印度去中国，那里是个很可爱的地方。去日本、新加坡、香港、台湾，呃，韩国，这些都是很可爱的地方。呃，去西方国家看看，跟印度相比，西方国家要好一千倍、一万倍。呃，但印度还有希望吗？没有。

印度没有希望。呃我不投资印度，我……呃，就是尽量减少在印度的参与。

中国

好的，嗯，你提到的所有国家，我都同意它们都很棒，比如韩国、日本、台湾等等。但为什么……你说中国是一个伟大的国家？因为……呃，如果你看看他们的价值体系，你会发现他们对待西藏人和穆斯林的方式非常糟糕，而且他们没有……言论自由，没有宗教自由，他们不像西方那样开明。嗯，嗯，首先，把中国和西方比较是完全错误的。中国曾经是第三世界国家，所以如果你想了解中国，你应该把中国和……在20世纪90年代与中国并肩而立的国家进行比较，比如肯尼亚、乌干达、坦桑尼亚、巴基斯坦，这些才是你应该比较的国家。美国比中国发达得多。中国已经证明了它……继续在文化和经济上进步。呃，现在他们对西藏和新疆穆斯林的所作所为，与印度人对东北部省份、那加兰邦、曼尼普尔邦、阿鲁纳恰尔邦或查谟和克什米尔人民的所作所为相比，并没有什么不寻常之处。我的意思是，我记得印度在独立后占领果阿和海得拉巴是多么无耻，大多数人甚至都不知道这些是独立的国家，印度只是决定必须接管这些国家，所以与其他第三世界国家对自己少数民族的所作所为相比，中国在西藏和新疆的所作所为并没有什么特别糟糕的地方。现在，由于中国人的存在，西藏变得更加富裕。新疆也有自己的问题，但没有确凿的证据表明它们是古拉格，它们系统性地强迫监禁新疆的穆斯林信徒，所以我没有看到确凿的证据。现在有些政府会这么说，但我该在多大程度上相信这些政府？美国政府和英国政府声称萨达姆·侯赛因统治下的伊拉克拥有大规模杀伤性武器，后来证明这完全是假的。我对辛詹事件了解多少？这些都不是充分的理由，而是因素。中国在任何方面都不是完美的。我能找出比现在国际上关于中国的国际头条新闻更糟糕的中国事情。就言论自由而言，让我告诉你，卡塔姆，我觉得在中国比在印度更自由地发表言论，而且世界各地的言论自由正在迅速消失。看看西方国家，尤其是白人，很多对他们来说重要的事情都不能说。你刚才谈到癌症文化，所以在今天的西方社会，你很快就会被取消。那么，什么是言论自由？你在印度的言论自由是什么？是的，理论上你有言论自由，但你可以出去抱怨当地的暴徒，看看会发生什么。出去抱怨向你索贿的地方官僚，我向你保证，司法系统和警察都不会来帮助你，因为这是顺性别，你根本没有言论自由，所以你不能说出来，原因有很多，所以中国人几乎可以谈论大多数事情，除了他们不能挑战他们的中央政府和同心中国共产党的存在，所以是的，我的意思是没有人是完美的，只是从总体上来说，我喜欢中国比喜欢印度多一百倍

西方的印度人

好吧，你认为印度人移民到西方后应该怎么做？哦，我觉得这需要一段时间，需要很多年才能开始理解西方文明，呃，但你应该只在你喜欢西方文明、喜欢西方哲学的情况下才搬到西方社会。呃，如果你搬到西方只是为了赚更多的钱，或者为了让你的生活在物质上变得更好，那么在我看来，你对西方社会来说是负面价值。大多数搬到西方的人，呃，没有道德意识，他们对西方哲学不感兴趣，他们只是为了赚钱，他们是物质主义者，呃，但呃，你知道，如果你对西方文化和西方社会感兴趣，呃，你仍然需要时间来了解西方社会是如何运作的，呃，但这种人应该搬走，如果他们搬走，他们应该多关注西方社会的道德意识，最后

人生目标

我想我应该结束这个话题了。播客里有一个非常模糊的问题，呃，人生的目的是什么？哦，人生的目的是什么？嗯，我还没想清楚。Pratham，我真的很想知道，你知道我看待人生的方式是，我的下一步应该比上一步更好。因为我不清楚目标是什么，所以我只关心确保我的下一步比上一步更好。这意味着我应该以诚实、正直、荣誉和自我责任感来生活，而这正是自由主义发挥作用的地方。嗯，我的生活并非以物质主义为中心。我不追求金钱。现在，钱会来找我，这是完全不同的事情。但我不追求金钱。我只是在努力提升自己，作为一个人。希望随着时间的推移，随着我继续过着更光荣、更自我负责的生活，随着我不断提升自己，希望我目标面前的那片云，也就是人生的目的，能够变得更加清晰。非常感谢你参加我的播客，这是一次非常有教育意义的对话，非常感谢你给我这个机会

Jayant Bhandari: Indian Culture, Western Civilization, Canadian Truckers, Wokeism

2022年2月12日 The Labyrinth Podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSkxycGcjQ&t=702s

Jayant Bhandari is an investor and entrepreneur, particularly in the natural resource sector. He is a contributing editor for the Liberty Magazine and he has written on political, economic and cultural issues for the Liberty Magazine, the Mises Institute, Casey Research, Mining Journal, etc. He runs a yearly philosophy seminar in Vancouver called Capitalism & Morality. In this episode, we discuss Indian culture, moral degradation, the West & the Rest, libertarianism, Woke culture, Western Civilization, Covid authoritarianism, lockdowns, Canadian truckers revolt, Justin Trudeau’s cowardice, demonetisation, cryptocurrencies and India’s corrupt bureaucratic system. Recorded February 11th, 2022 Instagram:   / thelabyrinth.podcast   Podcaster: Pratham Padav | Twitter: @whoispadav | Telegram: Projectionist Guest: Jayant Bhandari | Website: http://jayantbhandari.com/ | YouTube:    / jayantbhandari  

Chapters:

 0:00 Intro

 0:47 Prior Life In India

 2:08 Degraded Indian Culture

 10:36 Lesser Of 2 Evils

 12:51 Lack Of Moral Values In India

 15:03 Diversity & Woke Culture

 22:56 The Fall Of The West

 27:19 Economics & Moral Values

 30:58 Degraded Indian Culture-Part 2

 35:41 Decentralization Of India

 42:51 Pandemic Authoritarianism

 51:33 Canadian Truckers & Trudeau

 55:02 Does Crypto Have Value?

 57:15 Hijab Issue & Cultural Bigotry

 1:00:03 Corruption In India

 1:02:16 Is There Hope For India?

 1:03:34 China

 1:08:16 Indians In The West

 1:09:30 Purpose Of Life

 

Intro

welcome to the labyrinth i'm your host pratum padal if you would like to support my podcast

buy my t-shirt link is in the description my guest today is jayanth bhandari

he is an investor and entrepreneur particularly in the natural resource sector

he is also a contributing editor of the liberty magazine and he's also

written articles on political economic and cultural issues for the myceas institute

casey research mining journal etc he runs a yearly philosophy seminar in

vancouver called capitalism and morality okay welcome to the labyrinth giant

Prior Life In India

so i want to start by asking prior to moving to canada how was your

life here in india well pratham i was a very successful

executive in india before i left the country i started indian operations of two

european companies one of them became the biggest

supplier of equipment in its market in the country so i had two very good successes in

india and that's when uh i realized that uh

the reason for my successes were different from uh my competencies or the quality of my

equipment uh it i was operating in an in an extraordinary corrupt environment uh

where the only thing that mattered was bribes uh

it was universal in which the guy from the very top to the guy to

the very bottom was asking for bribes but that's what i was doing in india i

had a very successful career i left my job and i moved to canada at one point

of time what is it about indian culture that you

Degraded Indian Culture

think does not allow us to progress the way the west or the way east asia has

progressed um one biggest problem with indians is that

indians do not have moral consciousness indians do not have a concept of right

and wrong now they can be very religious but they are religious in a very fatalistic sense

in a very materialistic sense they are afraid of things which makes them really

make them religious but indian religious environment does not lead to any

spiritual awakening it does not lead to a moral consciousness

and india is a desert of moral consciousness there's

no moral consciousness in the country now people know and speak the right

thing so you know if you ask people is corruption bad is theft bad uh they will

all say the right things but that's not what their behavior shows

you can meet your relatives or someone on the street and that person will tell you

how bad corruption is and what he would do if he became the prime minister of the country and right in front of you

five minutes later this person goes around giving bribes for unearned benefits now he does not even

necessarily give bride for what belongs to him but he gives bribes to

expropriate a wealth of other people or

or improve his chances of getting something which doesn't do something that does not belong to him so

again indians simply do not have moral conscience consciousness

indians talk big about what is right and wrong but at the end of the

day there is no application of moral consciousness in the country isn't it very ironic that

the land this country that is a desert of moral consciousness

it's a land of hypocrisy because that's something that we see everywhere also produces so many gurus and garments

there's nothing strange about it we might want to feel very nationalistic

and great about all the great philosophers india has created and indeed india has created some great

men but remember one out of five or one out of six people on the planet

is an indian so if you have as many as one out of five philosophers as indians uh then

it's something to uh feel good about but we don't even have one out of five great philosophers

coming from india if it's one out of a hundred i would be surprised if it's actually one out of 200 i would be very

surprised as well so no we don't create all that many philosophers but having

said that india has created some great men but every country has created its great men

i have to say that in the current nationalistic environment where indians think that they are the

cradle of humanity they are completely wrong india isn't a cradle of humanity

and while india has created given some great philosophers most of them got

recognized once they had left india and had started living in the western

society uh how do you think we can reform indian culture

um well there is no easy way to reform the indian culture

this is not a process which takes a few generations or a few centuries this can easily take a millennia

changing society is a very long process creating moral consciousness in the

society is a very very long process because everything is linked together

you can't just create moral consciousness in isolation it's it's a holistic process it's an

organic process it's a process that takes a very very long time if you look at the european history

it took them uh many many many centuries probably i would say three millennia before they

started getting to where they are today uh and you know even then

everything is fragile so creating a moral consciousness is an extremely hard

job uh what we can certainly do is to take the first step forward now what

would that first step be my view is that we should be attracting the very best people to run the

institutions of the country because of democracy we bring in the

very worst people to run our institutions and really our institutions are populated by people who are at the

bottom of the barrel people they are horrendously corrupt they are horrendously self-centered and

materialistic and truly the worst people on the planet

now how can we bring the best people to run the government look at how united arab emirates run

first or look at how singapore or hong kong grants look at how taiwan of south korea and

even japan runs what they do is that often they bring in

the very best people from around the world to run their institutions we should do

the same thing we should get rid of all these stupid thoroughly stupid low iq

politicians extremely sadistic uh bureaucrats that

india has and replace them with some of the most competent people in the

world bring them from america bring them from the uk put them in place there

the person who runs your institutions does not have to be an indian it does not matter to me

pratham who runs my institutions as long as the institutions do the job they are

supposed to do so i think that would be the first step bring in the very best people from

around the world to run our institutions but that is only going to be possible once we get rid of democracy democracy

does not allow a thought process that would lead to bringing the very best people

from the world to run our institutions and actually what we have done over the last

50 to 70 years is that we have inverted everything now we have a democratic

system in which the masses who are tribal who are uneducated who have no

moral consciousness who are desperate vote on the basis of their

extraordinarily limited self-centered thinking survivalist thinking

and then on top of that we have implemented all kinds of affirmative action policies the what we

call reservation in india which means that the quality of people

in the institutions is far worse than it would have been had we

just kept our democrat ourselves democratic plus meritocratic for the government system

because today we have virtually no meritocracy in the government jobs the institutions

uh people if you go to a government office and i think whenever people praise india indians praise india they

should at least attempt to go to a government office and try to feel in try

to feel try to understand with their feelings what a government

office looks like and what it feels like and they realize that people working in the government are not just corrupt they

are thoroughly stupid and thoroughly sadistic

and totally unskilled and totally incompetent and that is the kind of institutions we have today

Lesser Of 2 Evils

speaking of democracy i'm going to ask you the same question that i asked sudan raj in my previous episode

in the past couple of elections when i used to vote in the election i i was voting for the lesser of two evils but

now i'm thinking of not voting at all and just boycotting the idea of

elections and democracy what do you think we indians should do should we vote or not vote

uh well i would be uh happy to vote for the lesser of the two evils

if i knew who the lesser of the two evils is uh but that is virtually impossible

pratham uh the problem is that you are trying to differentiate between a

third of dog a from third of talk b now which one is more delicious i don't know

i have no palette to differentiate between two thirds and that's the problem we exist in today

now uh when i look at what's happening in america when there is a competition

between uh uh trump and biden

uh and if i had to vote i would very happily go and vote for trump because

the difference is so much in my opinion from my eyes trump

is clearly a much much much better candidate than biden is but when i look

at india i see no difference between politicians they

are virtually the same and yes at a superficial level one politician

might look better than the other but then i'm not close to them i'm not

spending my day-to-day time with them i don't have enough information about all of them to able to judge which one is

better than the other so if i were in india i would very likely

not vote because my vote really makes no difference in that country

Lack Of Moral Values In India

would india be better off if we abandoned the socialism and adopted

libertarianism well it's a complete myth pratham that india

has socialism india does not have socialism at all india is a federal

country it's a wild jungle socialism would be a huge

positive move for india and remember uh in the 1960s 70s 80s

india was being helped by ussr which was a socialist communist country uh it

ussr's gdp per capita was many many times that of india

if i recall it correct it was at least 10 20 times more than indian gdp per capita was so socialist

countries did very well compared to india and socialist countries continue to do

much better than india look at compare india with let's say cuba

cuba is a much richer country than india is look at ecuador ecuador

is a much better much richer country than india is in fact most of latin

america is leftist it's socialist but they are much better much nicer than

india is so uh socialism is a horrible concept pratham

don't get me wrong there but indian system is far worse than socialism

socialism require at least the first order of moral values right india hasn't

got even the first order of moral values right india is just a jungle it's a federal

place where there is no right and wrong socialists at least start thinking what

is right and wrong and they get it wrong but india hasn't even started that process

so we are far worse off than a socialist country uh as a

compared to what we would have been where we are socialist country uh

Diversity & Woke Culture

okay moving uh to a completely different topic uh for a very long time uh liberals in

the west have said that diversity is good and society will benefit from it

but at the same time globalization and diversity has destroyed local cultures and smaller

communities the most diverse cities also have the highest crime rates

but look at you as a brown man in canada you seem to have benefited from

globalization and diversity overall should we be grateful for diversity or should we criticize it oh

well i have been a massive beneficiary of diversity and globalization i would

have been stuck in a small town in india earning

virtually nothing compared to what i do now my life is wonderful so and my life was

wonderful even when i was in india i was one of the better paid better place executives i

was the ceo of two european companies in india in my early 20s so that was uh

you know my my life has been great uh globalization and diversity has given me

a lot but what it has given me does not mean it has given to the average person

my view is that india is in many ways far worse today than it was 30 years

back before the technology kicked in before progress kicked in and the reason is pratham that of course

it seems that your life is much better than it would what it would have been had we not gone through this

technological revolution but go outside wherever you live drive

out 10 kilometers from where you live and you realize that the pollution is far worse than it was 30 years back

people are desperate for food and jobs uh there is uh you know people have

mobile phones but what they watch on mobile phones is pornography and exchange superstitions so they are

no better educated than they would have been without that technology so if you

look at globalization i don't think uh 90 of indians have benefited in any way

from this globalization and technical revolution and even the so-called economic progress uh what they have

and remaining half might have benefited from it but that does not tell you the situation of the average

guy uh now diversity and has been uh suicidal for the western society

because as long as americans canadians australians and new zealand people were

bringing in people from europe or east asia east asia being japan korea

and china they were bringing the very best of europe and

east asia to the us and canada australia and new zealand now that situation has changed

over the last 40 to 50 years because they have uh removed this requirement

of immigrant to be european now they bring in people from all over

the world and the problem is that when they bring in people from the third world countries

they mostly uh bring in people who have no moral consciousness and it's the same problem

again pratham if you uh if if you open the gates for

people from africa or the indian subcontinent

or even latin america you make enable a larger much larger proportion of

people lacking moral consciousness to move into your country and that has been the problem with let's say america or

canada today now america and canada are great melting pots but they are great

melting pots if you have moral consciousness if you believe in the values

of western civilization but you clearly see that over the last

40 to 60 years the kind of people that have moved to the us and canada australia and new

zealand are the kind of people who are materialistic who do not have moral consciousness

and that is that has a degree has had a degrading effect on the culture of these

countries what is your opinion on this whole work

uh culture and cancer culture promoted and propagated by liberal

progressives because you have uh said uh in the past few minutes that

people from third world countries africa south asia don't have moral consciousness and you can say that but

if a white person said the same thing that you were saying liberals would label him as a racist or

a white nationalist even though he's objectively right

well absolutely and you know and that is what how i want to contribute to where i

live today i want to use the fact that i can get away with a

few things more than a white person does now that should never have been the case we should be able to speak freely we

should be able to speak our mind and people should have the opportunity to to

to argue and debate with me or say that i'm wrong but today the cancelled

culture has become very dominant in the western society the woke culture has become very dominant

now let me before i respond to you fully let me explain the word liberal liberal

word is extremely confusing liberal uh word in the united kingdom means about

relates to freedom individuality uh and self-responsibility it relates to

uh a concept of honor and integrity whereas liberal in the united states and

canada means something completely different it means no self-responsibility it means

keeping your eye on the wallet of other person and trying to steal as much as possible from the other

person's pocket uh trying to these are the people who whine who want who have

no concept of self-responsibility and honor and they expect benefits from other people in the

society these are dependent people now

what is work culture and what is this cancel culture surprisingly it is very

similar to the culture of the third world countries the woke people actually love the third

world they love the chaos the the smell of feces this the the noise of third world

countries uh because they are feral people and that is why woke people love the third world people

now woke the soak these woke so-called liberal leftists the so-called

progressives are truly the losers of the western society

and they are in how their mind works no different

from how this the minds of uh

people in the third world work so uh these are the these are culturally

third-world people the woke people and the cancer culture people

The Fall Of The West

though the west has been doing quite well for over a century now

as a result of reason and rational thinking but in the past uh one or two decades

mostly because of left liberals and progressives the west seems to be slowly

deteriorating uh lower birth rates increasing crime political correctness

uh they're even confused on how to define a man and a woman uh are we

witnessing the final days of the west yeah i i mean

let me just correct one thing i don't think the western society did well in

the last 100 years i think the western society saw its prime its peak uh several hundred years

back now that does not have to reflect economically right away the west was culturally a far superior

place probably a hundred and fifty years back than it is today uh yes the western

society has already peaked the western society is rapidly

getting worse um i think the best country on the planet america

uh a country that i have i love and i still love and still spend a lot of my time in uh is going down the fastest and

the biggest problem is the so-called diversity the one that you

mentioned earlier uh diversity has meant that they have accepted all kinds of people from around

the world who refuse to assimilate in the society who refuse to

be respectful to the western civilization and who refuse to understand who have no

concept of what western philosophy is all about so america now has a massive number of

people who are like those uh and in fact if you look at the statistics the the the

number of people who are first or second generation uh

uh immigrants in canada and australia you get to get a glimpse of what the

future would be like i think about 26 percent of

australians and canadians are first generation immigrants which means that a few

that as many as half of their populations could be first or second generation immigrants

now that's far too many people from outside their own society outside their own civilization if you bring in so many

people you will dilute your civilization away i can truly understand if you bring in 0.1

percent of your pop population as from outside your own society uh but making it 25 to 50

percent is truly horrendous and suicidal for your society and that's what the west has done

there are many other reasons this is only one of the reasons i think um comforts um

uh comforts and luxury and leisure time uh can uh

be bad negative for the for the culture of the society

because it it can make you dull it can make you less aware of the need to keep fighting

for civilization and i think that has also happened in the western society they don't so they

don't have this impulse to necessarily fight for what is right

in the sense that they will uh not necessarily step out

as they probably did 50 years back now again i must say that there's a

massive massive difference between a country like india and the country like canada if if there is any trouble on the

street in canada many people will step out to help you out it's a great great society but compared

to what it used to be and compete and looking at the direction these countries

in the west have taken uh i'm fairly convinced that the best days of the west

are over uh and it's degrading rather rapidly

Economics & Moral Values

uh i i know that india lacks

with regards to moral consciousness and a productive culture but let's put that aside for a while let's say that was not

a problem at all once we have fixed this moral and

cultural issues do you think india can benefit from libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism

well what you're saying is that cut the roots of the tree out and would that

would the tree be beneficial if we gave it good fertilizer and good air

unfortunately it won't if you don't have the fundamentals right if you don't have the roots right nothing will the tree

can't stand on it so it can't stand straight anymore it will just fall apart

without moral consciousness believe me there's no progress you can have some

short-term progress you can have some short-term improvement in your life but it will not

be sustainable and you can see that in terms of what has happened in the last 30 years and

disagree with me pratham if you want to but the health of indians have deteriorated rapidly over the last 30

years now a 40 year old person cannot walk straight because he eats too much

sugar he eats too much bad food he he uses his time for too much leisure

he is too stressed because he's trying to make more and more money

and the end result is that progress in my view hasn't really done a

lot of good to the emotional and psychological health to a lot of people look at women uh women have got a lot of

freedom in the country over the last 30 years but i'm afraid of sitting next to a woman on the plane i mean she could

end up charging me for rape in a crowded plane and that's indeed possible in india

today so everything gets

gets used for depraved degenerate purposes if

the roots are not right if the if the principles are not there so without moral consciousness nothing is possible

now what is libertarianism what is capitalism capitalism and libertarianism are very deep moral concepts these are

not economic concepts and remember even the word economic has changed its

meaning when adam smith wrote his book he he wrote about what was the name of

the book the moral sentiments of the society or something i can't remember but the book was about moral values

economics is about moral values libertarianism is about moral values capitalism is about moral values so how

can you detach moral values from something that is actually a moral concept

uh you uh you can enforce a moral structure but at least

that moral structure must be enforced by moral people so you i and that's what i

said initially you have to bring in the very best people from around the world who are morally conscious who are

skilled who are competent who know the difference between right and wrong and if they create a structure

the society can indeed improve but you if you think you can remove moral

values and still have a a pro a progressing society you are

deluded i think the only solution that i can think of

Degraded Indian Culture-Part 2

after hearing everything you're saying is that we have to sort of overthrow indian democracy if we

overthrow democracy what are the practical alternatives

pratham you know today it is believed that um indians wanted to fight for

uh the so-called freedom uh i mean remember india never got its freedom it

never got its independence the rulers changed from the british to uh brain dead sadistic

junkies that's what we have today so uh and does it really matter to me whether

a white guy rapes me or a brown guy babu rapes me if i get raped i get raped anyway

i'm just going to hope that the rapist is less ruthless with me and clearly the

british were less ruthless if at all you can compare the ruthlessness between the british and the

current regimes of india i mean go to a police station people get openly beaten up by the

police today and there is nothing that happens the courts don't take any action against the

policemen and the policeman gets away with absolutely everything that was not

the case when the british were ruling the country now before 1947 we now because we are

told selective history we are taught a very a small part of the history we are told

that indians were fighting for independence no indians were not fighting for independence a

minority of people who had got educated in the united kingdom returned back to

india to start this so-called independence movement most of the society had no clue

about this independence movement and had no interest in independence movement a lot of leaders like rabindranath

tagore were not in favor of independence movement from what i understand they wanted the

british to stay on in fact ram mohan roy was a full participant in using the

british to change the indian culture to improve it to end the sati pratha

to end the bad horrible aspects of hinduism and islam

so a lot of indian leaders were were

with the british they wanted the british to continue and they did not like this independence movement they knew what

would happen if india became so-called independent now pratham

have you seen a statue of raja ram mohan roy anywhere in the country

i i don't think so no there isn't any there isn't any we don't

we don't recognize people who change our society raja ram mohan roy

and was the key figure that ended the sati pratha okay

now should the feminist organization should india not recognize him for what he did

for india um we don't um um now where is the statue of rajaram

mohan roy in bristol in the united kingdom because we don't see

greatness of human beings so we don't recognize them for their greatness

so so on one hand there were a lot of leaders who were against the so-called independence movement they knew what

would come to india if india gained so-called independence but also a very

large population of india indians knew what would happen once the british had

left there was a massive exodus from india

in the 40s and 50s they went to live in the uk now these people uh and you know you can

include me among those people we got rid of white people and then i ended up

living in a white country to be ruled by white people theoretically so a lot of people recognized that

indians would fail to run our institutions indians would destroy everything and in the 40s and 50s they

left india and settled down in the uk and they are doing extremely well because this was the cream of indians

that left india to live in the west yeah um

Decentralization Of India

would india be better off if our country got decentralized or disintegrated

uh well uh you know india is going to get decentralized it it will disintegrate

uh you know the funny thing is that we we believe in becoming global power and

we believe in how important india is to the world india is unimportant to the world no one cares a damn about the

country uh people here give lip service to india but apart from that they don't really

care about india india is falling apart go outside your house india is visually falling apart

because the caliber of indian leaders is so low and in fact negative because they are

truly brain dead and they are truly junkies and they are truly sadistic that

india is falling right in front of your eyes you just have to go out walk around a bit and try to

experience how the the society is functioning there's nothing keeping that country

together now the problem with low iq people the problem with these sadistic

people is that they can't manage even a small system but they want to make a

system larger and larger because it gives them eco satisfaction to have a

bigger control over the society but they are mentally incapable of running big

institutions uh and and it's very simple for anyone who has tried to manage to indians uh

you know if you have a small manufacturing operation with five people try managing them it's an

extraordinarily hard job because no one does his job properly as unless you

supervise him non-stop so you can't really have bigger institutions bigger operations and a

centralized country and india has this huge instinct to centralize the country

india will fall apart india will disintegrate with time but

would it be beneficial to the country again you are trying to compare third of

dog a with third of dog b uh remember india was never a country until the time

the british came india is a british product

now india is a british product and

india will under the management of indians become tribal it's a federal people

they will disintegrate automatically uh i'm not absolutely sure if it will be

better or worse for what will be the situation then but whatever happens india is the

lives of indians will be far worse going forward than it is today

lives of indians have got worse and worse with time

so remember that what whether we have centralization or decentralization india is not improving

unless we get better leaders to run the country yeah

the your criticism of indians and india as a whole was quite accurate and

i'm sure for a lot of indians it will be very shocking because when i leave my

house and go out and talk to people or when i look at the family for whatsapp

groups they're so hopeful they say things like under uh narendra modi india will become a vishwa guru and they use

these big words like and all that nationalistic uh

jingoistic words uh why do you think there is such a huge contradiction

between reality and the imagination of indians well and that is actually a huge problem

with uh with indians a lot of people contradict me based on what they think india would be

in the future now you can't compare apples with

with elephant forget about comparing apples with oranges they try to compare apples with elephants

you know i have been in investment conferences where people tell me that

india will be growing at the rate of 15 per year for the next 20 years and it will become

better than the us and hence india is better than the u.s now that's so

mind-bogglingly stupid but indian logic has its own

structure which is completely irrational and that it stays with

the so-called educated people uh brother one thing i tell you very

interesting uh i have been living in the west for the last 30 years

and you know earlier i criticized the western society about the woke people and

you know and i can sit down with people and criticize america for its certain policies why should it be

interfering let's say in the middle east and i can say that hey american troops killed so many people

for no good reason and i can't remember a single occasion when

an american told me that why i was anti-american

why i did not like america they don't conclude from my

my uh my saying anything bad negative about

america as a reflection of my anti-american attitude in india

virtually every time i say anything that does not look good for about india i'm

immediately blamed for being an anti-national now that's that that's that means that

indians are so emotional about everything just look at facts stick to facts and

discuss facts rather than become emotional about it in fact

i speak up not because i i am anti-indian or i hate india i want india

to improve i want india to do well but that was only possible if i can

point out the errors of the ways of indian society if it if we don't point

those out nothing is going to change but indians will not listen to this and the problem

is that they have no moral consciousness they live on the policy of expediency

materialism and self-centeredness ask all these nationalistic people and

you will if you explore them enough you will realize that they are extremely self-centered and materialistic ask

them whether we should be fighting a war with pakistan and they will say yes we should be fighting a war with pakistan

would you go to fight a war with pakistan and you will really understand

that there's a difference between what they say and what they do okay

Pandemic Authoritarianism

going on a completely different but an important tangent what is your opinion on the ongoing

covet authoritarianism uh well uh god i mean this has been

truly truly idiotic i was in india in november 2016 when

narendra modi declared demonetization and i was

in india when he closed everything down in early 2020.

um the the it was they were decisions which i thought

even primary school students should not have taken they were so childish so

naive uh something that did nothing good to the country uh just talking about

demonetization there is more cash in india today than there ever was uh there

is more corruption in india there's more bribe taking and exchange of cash today

than there ever was in the country and i have been involved in something in india recently and i tell you

uh when i left india india was not that corrupt as it is today i mean corrupt

bribes get exchanged openly in the country today now coming to covet i mean

this has been absolutely crazy and the middle class indians who are supposed to

be the moral spine of the society have no spine they have they have no

provided no intellectual nutrition to the society i mean these

idiots were banging pots and pans from their uh apartment buildings uh thinking

that banging those pots and pans would get rid of uh covet they had no understanding absolutely no

understanding about what would happen to 99 of indians yes

these middle class indians who live in nice gated communities who have servants and maids

could work from home they were still probably getting their salaries because they work for public sector companies or

big companies that continue to pay salaries but what was happening to those maids and servants people living in

villages in agricultural areas 98 99 of people

they were walking literally thousands of kilometers back home because narendra

modi in his supreme intelligence put a stop to all flights and trains and

all buses and these people were walking in in in

summer weather with their children and with with their luggage hundreds and thousands of

kilometers i mean this was a humanitarian disaster which had no

intelligence behind it i would say i mean i mean really narendra modi should face

a complaint of genocide because of the the grotesque decisions that he took the way

the indian police beat up people who were trying to go to the hospital or trying to

uh to come out of their suffocating shanty

rooms they this was grotesque now uh lockdown did happen elsewhere as well

but it was nowhere as grotesque as was in india

and uh for a poke country india was truly a special country because a lot of

other poor countries decided hey we are too poor to copy the chinese way or the

american way we should just uh the society be open and face the

consequences and they did far better than uh countries like india we

destroyed the economy we we played with lives of literally hundreds of millions of people

i i'm going to say something a little cruel these people who

these poor migrants who were walking the hundreds of miles and dying on their way

i get angry at them as well because they're partially responsible for that because right after this

migrant crisis there was an election in bihar a state that contributes

a lot of migrant laborers and they made uh bjp's uh bjp's coalition win again

so it's very ironic that these poor people vote for their own misery

well prathan that comes back to lack of moral consciousness sorry absence of moral consciousness they don't connect

uh dots properly and because they don't have moral consciousness they cannot differentiate

between right and wrong uh you look at a normal indian if he gets beaten up by

someone senior what does he do he goes and beats someone he goes and beats zappa junior okay he

does not fight back against his senior and you see that across the country i mean i went to one of the best

engineering colleges uh in in india and i was so flabbergasted with what i saw

there would be what we called ragging when we when you troubled the newcomers

into this in in the university and a lot of people didn't like it a lot of newcomers didn't like it but a year

later they were doing exactly the same thing and when i told them that listen this is so sadistic why would you do

that the response was we were harmed or we were beaten up so we are now going to beat up and i said yeah

that's perfectly fine but go and beat up people who beat you up rather than go and beat up people who have nothing to

do with you but indians even the so-called intelligent people do

not have moral consciousness and hence they cannot take right decisions indians

are they think they are very street smart they are among the most gullible people i have known because they don't have moral

consciousness they don't they don't stand mentally on a firm ground so they can't

understand right and wrong they get they get fooled very easily you talk

nice words with an indian and he is all over you very quickly without realizing

that the person who is speaking all those nice words is trying is merely trying to exploit him or fool him

and uh yes i completely agree with you that these poor fools went to vote for exactly the same same

people who had uh destroyed their lives uh but again uh pratham

the backbone of society is the middle class and indian

middle class is very unique in the world that it does not have moral consciousness i have been to about 100

countries and most countries many many times and everywhere i have seen that as a

country progresses and becomes better as the middle class grows

moral consciousness grows in india the exact opposite is happening people are

becoming simply more materialistic and depraved what is your opinion on vaccine mandates

both here in india and in canada well i think i'm not an anti-vaxxer if

people want to get the vaccine go and take it keep it to yourself what kind of

underwear i'm wearing i'm not going to show you okay whether i'm vaccinated or not i don't want to talk about it i

think it's a private matter if you take it that's perfectly fine if you think

it's good taking a vaccine evaluate it take it but making telling declaring it on social

media that i'm proud to say that i have taken the third booster now is idiotic

don't talk about it and there is absolutely no reason for any government

to mandate vaccine on people these vaccine passports are a way

towards tyranny they are disastrous for humanity uh which does not mean again i

have nothing against the vaccine if the vaccine are good take it if you think they are going

to take it don't impose it on other people the vaccine mandate should go and

they will go they won't it won't be too long before they go uh what do you think will be the outcome

Canadian Truckers & Trudeau

of the canadian truckers revolt and i use the word reward because i don't think this is a protest so this is far

more than that uh well and i'm happy you asked that question because when i said that

vaccine mandates will go and they will go over the next few weeks and thanks to canadian truckers

canadian truckers have brought in a revolution in terms of protests against

the vaccine mandates you you have to hold them in extremely high regard for

what they have done um and exactly pratam just responding a bit more to

your earlier question on the subject this is what i would have expected from poor people of india this is what i

would have expected from the middle class of indians i would have expected them during demonetization and during

imposition of lockdown in march 2020 that hey we are not going to listen to

this stupidity and you can't beat people up to pulp the police can't beat people

up to pulse just because they're dead to go to the hospital now canadian truckers have brought in a

revolution they have brought in a change of thinking they have brought in um

a way for those people who were against this increasing tyranny to come together and

fight back against tyranny and remember the western civilization is a civilization and it's i have to say it's

the only civilization i know of india is not a civilization third world countries are not civilizations western societies

are the only civilizations i know of and they are civilizations because of people

like these canadian truckers they fight for what is right they fight for what is honorable they stand up for against what

is wrong um so yes truckers have canadian truckers are

i have done a fabulous job and if at all i feel any pride in being a canadian this is it

i'm going to follow that up with a very loaded and a very biased question uh do you think

justin trudeau is a spineless coward oh justin trudeau is a third walder woke

uh liberal he has no mind of his own and he got into power mostly because of

dynastic reason and because of his looks a lot of women like his looks uh and

that perplexes me that tells you about so much about what democracy is all

about these educated women voted for him because of his looks they

could have easily gone to a strip club they could have paid five ten fifteen dollars for a strip club and could have

had a look at a much nicer looking guy it's completely idiotic i mean the guy

has was was a substitute teacher he was not even

a proper teacher and he was teaching his snowboarding and skiing i mean the guy

has had no experience of running institutions and he ended up

becoming the prime minister and that is the degradation that to institutions that

democracy brings in democracy is termite it eats away everything very quickly

then all institutions very quickly okay i know that two of the topics that you

Does Crypto Have Value?

speak a lot on is investment and liberty and uh now we see

a lot of people investing in cryptocurrencies which they think will usher in a new age of uh economic

liberty what is your opinion on these cryptocurrencies well no liberty will come without the

roots of moral consciousness we can uh you can run away and you know you can

run away from tyrannical environment by uh tinkering with the superficial

aspects but that can benefit only people like you and me it cannot benefit the

larger population and without the larger population being morally awakened

we will uh die out as well so what we need is a healthy

morally conscious society for people with liberty to survive now cryptos

might cryptos or something like that could give an escape route to people who have

who are liberty oriented uh but that's not going to be good for this that's not

going to release the society from tyranny now is are cryptos the right thing to do

hey i am not invested in any cryptos i think they are ones and zeros without any backing in the cloud

and for me that gives them a value of zero so i don't use cryptos i don't see value in

cryptos and i don't think they offer you a true escape from

monetary tyranny uh the the problem is that there are many

there are many things the the transaction costs are huge at the end of the day cryptos are all valued in terms

of fiat currency uh what if uh you know what if the cryptos are banned

what if uh you don't have internet connection uh i don't see any value in cryptos myself

i think in very short they are worth zero okay um

Hijab Issue & Cultural Bigotry

all right so i live in mangalore in coastal karnataka

and i think you know what is happening in this region lately a few of the government colleges are refusing to

allow muslim girls to enter the premises while wearing the hijab and we are

seeing an increase in communal tensions and rodism from both sides uh saffron

shawl wearing boys are causing chaos and even violence in few instances and it's

not like the other side is any better uh what do you make of this do you think

we'll ever have peace between these two chaotic religions

no they will not have uh peace ever and the problem is not the

two religious the dichotomy is not islam versus hinduism the dichotomy is that

the fact is that indians just are not peaceful people they always whine they blame other

people for all their problems and they always uh hate the other person

so what happens if you separate hindus from muslims muslims

will then fight with there will be fights between shias and sunnis and then different parts sects of shias among

themselves as you can see in bangladesh and pakistan so you

you you the fights will continue and if in india ever became a hindu only nation

what will happen hindus will start fighting among themselves because they will shift shaivia will think they are

better than vaishnav and you know all kinds of idiocies will re-emerge so the problem is not islam

versus hinduism the problem is that we are not rational morally rooted people

beyond people who are tribal basically tribal and we are always fighting with our other tribes we are always looking

for which other tribe to fight with and then within our tribe we fight for tribal supremacy who wants to become the

leader of the tribe so the fights are all over and that's where uh

use that's what you see all over the country you make you look at any small groups in india any any small office see

how the culture works there's office horrendous office politics between

people they hate each other look at how families work families are

very dysfunctional they they people hate each other in families so uh this

muslim hindu issue is not the real issue the real issue is that

indians are like that and how do you change fundamentally their character

Corruption In India

i i don't mean to get too personal but because you brought up family matters i saw on your

facebook that you had posted a while back uh i believe one of your family member is

harassing your father by bribing a government officer and trying to take

away his land uh what what exactly is happening there

well it's it's absolutely crazy uh uh pratham uh what uh what happened was

that one of my family members uh engaged a lawyer who had who put armed goons inside my

dad's house and who was able to control the whole police system which meant that

my no one would take phone call of my dad no police system no seniors health

helpline would take the call of my dad's phone call and the police was registering

police cases which without any investigation not that investigations necessarily happen in the

country and the problem is that there's no social dynamics which come

come to people like those criminally minded people and say hey this is wrong

stop it what i have seen is that people in the society come either stay out or when they want to

engage they want to look good rather than do the right thing they they don't want to

tell the the person who is who was harming my dad

that hey you're doing something wrong is step back and we are going to buy caught you

socially if you continue to do these things but we don't have that social force because again we don't have the

moral consciousness in the in the society and again uh over the last three months the kind of

corruption the depravities and degenerate behavior i have seen in society is just off the charts i

i now tell people that i have been completely wrong about india india is a

hundred times a thousand times worse than i thought it was india is just a completely depraved and

degenerate society is there any hope for india

Is There Hope For India?

well there's hope for isolated people as you said that people should always be looking for a way out of trouble uh and

you know people who are looking at cryptos to get out of monetary tyranny i

can understand them except that i don't like cryptos myself but i can understand them there are ways to live that you can

escape your local tyranny and i can fully understand those people uh is

there a way out for indians yes i think there's a way out for indians but only isolated indians which is to leave the

country you know look at china china is a wonderful country china is like a first

world country when i go to china from india it's a lovely place

go to go to japan singapore hong kong taiwan uh south korea they are lovely places uh

go to a western countries compared to india they the western countries are a

thousand times ten thousand times better uh but is there a hope for india no

there is no hope for india and uh i don't invest in india i

uh is keep my involvement in india to the minimal

China

okay um all the countries that you mentioned i agree they're great like south korea japan taiwan etc but why do

you say that china is a great country because uh if you look at the their value system

it's quite pathetic the way they treat tibetans and uh muslims and there's no

freedom of speech there's no freedom of religion they're not enlightened like the west

okay so um uh so firstly it's completely wrong to

compare china with the west okay china used to be a third world

country so if you want to understand china you should compare china with the

kind of countries china was standing shoulder to shoulder in 1990s so for

example kenya uganda tanzania pakistan that's those are the kind of countries

you should be comparing china with the us is a far more developed country than china is

china has shown that it has continued to progress culturally and economically

uh now what they have done to tibet and in xinjiang province to the muslims

there they it's nothing too unusual compared to

what let's say indians have done to people in northeastern provinces nagaland manipur

uh arunachal pradesh or jammu and kashmir i mean remember

india was shameless in how how it occupied goa and hyderabad after independence

most people don't even know about it these were separate countries india just decided it had to take these countries

over so there's nothing especially bad about

what china has done in tibet and xinjiang compared to what other third country third world countries have done

to their own minorities now tipit is a much richer place because of

chinese and xinjiang province has its problems but there is no conclusive evidence that

they are gulags that they are forced imprisonment of uh muslim

people of muslim following in xinjiang as a systematic on

a systematic basis so i haven't seen conclusive proofs of that now

some of the governments would claim that but how much should i trust those governments american government and

british government said that there were weapons of mass destruction

under saddam hussein in iraq that came out to be completely false so how much do i really know about what's happening

in shinjan so those are not enough of reasons they are

factors and china is not perfect in any way whatsoever and i can identify a lot more worse

things about china than uh than these internationally

the international headlines you see about china now as far as freedom of

speech is concerned let me tell you qatam i feel much more free

is speaking up in china than i do in india and freedom of speech is going away very

rapidly around the world look at the western countries

white people particularly cannot say a lot of things that are important to them

you were talking about cancer culture so you get cancelled very quickly in the

western society today so what is the freedom of speech what is your freedom of speech

in india yes theoretically you have freedom of speech but go out and complain about the local goon and see

what happens go out and complain about the local bureaucrat who is asking for a bribe

i guarantee you the court system the police will not be there to help you because

it the cis you simply don't have freedom of speech so you can't speak up because

of so many reasons so chinese can mostly speak about most things except that they

cannot challenge their the the existence of their

central government and their concentric ccp so yes i mean

no one is perfect it's just on an overall basis i like china a hundred times more than i like india

Indians In The West

okay how do you think indians should behave when they emigrate to the west

oh i i think it takes a while it takes many years to start understanding the western civilization uh but you should

move to the western society only and only if you like the western civilization if you like western

philosophy uh if you are moving to the west only to make more money or to make

you make your life materialistically better then uh

from in my view you are a negative value to the western society

and most people who move to the west uh do not have moral consciousness and they are not interested in western philosophy

they are there just to make money they are materialistic people uh but uh you

know once if you are interested in the western culture western society uh then your

it will still take your time to understand how the western society works uh but

that's the kind of people who should move and if they move they should be paying a lot of attention to the

moral consciousness that the western society has and finally

Purpose Of Life

i think i'll end this podcast on a very uh with a very vague question

uh what is the purpose of life oh what is the purpose of life um i

haven't figured that out pratham really i want to

you know i the way i look at life is that my next step should be better than my last step

and because i don't have a clarity on what the goal is

all i care about is to make sure that my next step is better than the last step and that means that i should live my

life with honesty integrity and honor and self-responsibility and that's where libertarianism comes in into picture uh

my life is not centered on on materialism i'm not chasing money now

money comes to me that's a different thing altogether but i'm not chasing money i'm just

trying to improve myself as a human being and hopefully as time goes by as i

continue to live a more honorable more self-responsible life and as i

continue to improve myself hopefully the cloud in front of my goals which is the

purpose of life might become clearer well uh thank you so much for being on

my podcast this was a very uh educational conversation uh pratham thanks very much for the

opportunity