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I's shocked reading this post of alarming, by Harvard Professon Larry Ho, member of the National Academy of Sciences of the USA. Chinese American parents: Your thought?
- "中国人这个群体是有它的特点的。早在几年前，我就写过一篇文章，“昂纳克寓言的启示”。在文末就非常隐晦地给出预测：将来美国一定还会排华。这个结论当然很令人沮丧，但客观规律是无情的。中国人在美国的数量大幅增加，必然会改变美国的政体和价值观。这不是谁的主观良好意愿能改变的。现在美国还在纠结穆斯林问题，要消除恐怖主义的威胁。但从长远来看，真正能造成美国崩溃的不是恐怖袭击，而会是华人问题，"
- 博主回复(2016-6-25 19:38)：I don't agree with everything you say. Chinese culture has her good as well as bad aspects. The US and China may be heading for conflict. But that does not mean Chinese Americans will be prosecuted in the future. Chinese-American needs to learn to assimilate and to practice "give" beyond just "take" if they are going to prosper.
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- 主持人：你好像不太喜欢被叫做“美籍华裔NBA球员”，你对自己身上的标签怎么看？
林书豪：没错，当我在哈佛打球开始的时候，每次都有人问，“兄弟，你是亚洲人，在这打球什么感觉。我当时就很无语。我觉得每个人都把我置于“他亚洲人”的设定中，我觉得这就是美国的另一面。我当时篮球真的打得很好，但人们似乎不关注这点。随着年龄的增长，我的心态也改变了。与其纠结于这个，还不如接受自己的身份。很多问题最终都由我的信仰去解决，我是虔诚的基督徒。 - 主持人：在科比退役的时候，你对科比的评价是很有风度的，跟不同球员是如何相处的？
林书豪：在我经历了这么多不同球员之后，我只是想从他们身上学到一两件事。我可以从科比身上学到，我见识了他是多么注重细节。这科比身上，有很多节奏的变化，很注重脚步，而不是速度。也能学习科比对比赛的思考方式，我很感激这点。科比退役的时候，我有很多话想说，我恭喜了那60分，符合他那不可思议的生涯。 - 问题哥 发表评论于
学习旅 发表评论于 2016-06-29 14:22:52
是非常奇怪。...肯尼亚人有没有口口声声指出奥巴马是美籍肯裔？...
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其实主要是自己贴的标签，比如本城，因为自己贴了标签，才有了人籍猪裔、人籍鹅裔、人籍驴裔等。这简直是自残嘛！反之，像枫景啊、茉莉啊、青衣啊，多美丽，人家能瞎起外号吗？学习旅 发表评论于是非常奇怪。难道中国人华人又有特殊人情？
美国无数各国各族移民，其他还有具体哪国哪族有类似习惯？肯尼亚人有没有口口声声指出奥巴马是美籍肯裔？德国人有没有口口声声指出基辛格是美籍德裔？奥地利人有没有口口声声指出施瓦辛格是美籍奥裔？(My view: At least, 奥地利人有口口声声指出施瓦辛格是美籍奥裔 ! Read their newspapers and talk with 奥裔 - ). Nothing new under the Sun - Chinese Americans just do the same stuff, too human!)~~~ - Slate
@Slate 31 minutes agoTrump says China is eating America's lunch. America disagrees: http://slate.me/2914UFH pic.twitter.com/rqsU2uGqPU
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I wrote the article below primarily for Chinese American parents concerned about college admission question for their children. I post it here for information purpose only for my Chinese blog readers.
Yesterday the US Supreme court (SOTUS) re-affirmed the U.of Texas affirmative action decision which allows race and ethnicity as afactor in determining US college admissions. This means Asian-American applicants to US colleges (particularly Ivy League colleges) may at the discretion of the universities required to climb a higher threshold for admission than other applicants – an issue of great concern to AA parents. This is because many colleges already have a large (compared with population averages) Asian-American student population reaching 20-40%. In the name of diversity, they want to limit the AA student ratio (see the latest from thecollege point of view http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/06/affirming-whole-person-admissions/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=06.24.2016%20%281%29 ). In other colleges where financial issue comes into play, rich mainland Chinese students that can pay full tuition have an advantage over local Chinese-American applicants who may need scholarship help for admission http://www.economist.com/news/china/21644222-yearning-american-higher-education-has-driven-surge-overseas-study-georgia-their .All these reasons, now supported by the SOTUS decision, cause undue anxiety/stress for parents and students.
I’d like to say something about this issue from the viewpoint of someone who has served on the Harvard Admission Committee and has experience with educating students for 50+ years.
1. The US is the land of opportunity. Admission to prestige undergraduate colleges is only one of many factors for future success in life. How many President of the US went to Ivy league colleges for undergraduate studies?
2. If you know you are going onto graduate school, then where you did your undergraduate matters far less. Do you know the UG school Clinton, Bush, andObama went to? Of course you know they went to Yale Law School, Harvard Business School, and Harvard Law School respectively for graduate studies. In fact , for Harvard graduate school admission, being a Harvard undergraduate is actually a disadvantage. because in the name of diversity, Harvard graduate schools bentover backwards to admit students from other colleges and limit the Harvard UG applicants.
3. For college admission, the saying is “The Chinese are the Jews of yesteryears” In early 20th century, Jews were discriminated in Ivy League college admission (in fact, geographical diversity in admission was originally invented to limit admission of Jewish applicants who were mostly concentrated in NYC).However, through integration and organizing for political power, discrimination against Jews in admission disappeared in mid 20th century. Harvard even had a Jew-American President coupleof decades ago. As the saying goes “you don’t necessarily get what you deserve, you get what you can negotiate”.Asians must learn the same lesson to gain equality in treatment.
4. Decades ago, Asians were the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action hard fought and won by African-Americans. Now it seems to work in reverse against Asians in college admission. If you did not do much in enjoying the benefit, you have less of an argument when it is applied against you and when African and Hispanic Americans feel AA students are taking places of applicants of their race. This is a give-and-take issue.
5. I have also written about college admission from an insider viewpoint. See http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-621163.html ,http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-951994.html, and more generally about life, career,and success based on my 66 years of experience living in the US. http://blog.sciencenet.cn/home.php?mod=space&uid=1565&do=blog&id=274536 .This may be of help to recent immigrants young and old alike.
http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-986673.html
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I wrote the article below primarily for Chinese American parents concerned about college admission question for their children. I post it here for information purpose only for my Chinese blog readers.
Yesterday the US Supreme court (SOTUS) re-affirmed the U.of Texas affirmative action decision which allows race and ethnicity as afactor in determining US college admissions. This means Asian-American applicants to US colleges (particularly Ivy League colleges) may at the discretion of the universities required to climb a higher threshold for admission than other applicants – an issue of great concern to AA parents. This is because many colleges already have a large (compared with population averages) Asian-American student population reaching 20-40%. In the name of diversity, they want to limit the AA student ratio (see the latest from thecollege point of view http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/06/affirming-whole-person-admissions/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=06.24.2016%20%281%29 ). In other colleges where financial issue comes into play, rich mainland Chinese students that can pay full tuition have an advantage over local Chinese-American applicants who may need scholarship help for admission http://www.economist.com/news/china/21644222-yearning-american-higher-education-has-driven-surge-overseas-study-georgia-their .All these reasons, now supported by the SOTUS decision, cause undue anxiety/stress for parents and students.
I’d like to say something about this issue from the viewpoint of someone who has served on the Harvard Admission Committee and has experience with educating students for 50+ years.
1. The US is the land of opportunity. Admission to prestige undergraduate colleges is only one of many factors for future success in life. How many President of the US went to Ivy league colleges for undergraduate studies?
2. If you know you are going onto graduate school, then where you did your undergraduate matters far less. Do you know the UG school Clinton, Bush, andObama went to? Of course you know they went to Yale Law School, Harvard Business School, and Harvard Law School respectively for graduate studies. In fact , for Harvard graduate school admission, being a Harvard undergraduate is actually a disadvantage. because in the name of diversity, Harvard graduate schools bentover backwards to admit students from other colleges and limit the Harvard UG applicants.
3. For college admission, the saying is “The Chinese are the Jews of yesteryears” In early 20th century, Jews were discriminated in Ivy League college admission (in fact, geographical diversity in admission was originally invented to limit admission of Jewish applicants who were mostly concentrated in NYC).However, through integration and organizing for political power, discrimination against Jews in admission disappeared in mid 20th century. Harvard even had a Jew-American President coupleof decades ago. As the saying goes “you don’t necessarily get what you deserve, you get what you can negotiate”.Asians must learn the same lesson to gain equality in treatment.
4. Decades ago, Asians were the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action hard fought and won by African-Americans. Now it seems to work in reverse against Asians in college admission. If you did not do much in enjoying the benefit, you have less of an argument when it is applied against you and when African and Hispanic Americans feel AA students are taking places of applicants of their race. This is a give-and-take issue.
5. I have also written about college admission from an insider viewpoint. See http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-621163.html ,http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-951994.html, and more generally about life, career,and success based on my 66 years of experience living in the US. http://blog.sciencenet.cn/home.php?mod=space&uid=1565&do=blog&id=274536 .This may be of help to recent immigrants young and old alike.
http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-1565-986673.html
上一篇：English at Large and ESL for immigrants
下一篇：Globalization, Technology Advance, and the Brexit
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- [9]王键
- The truth is China is first and Chinese people will be the first issue. Chinese people can neglect the things they don't like, but the truth is still there.
- 博主回复(2016-6-28 10:34)：I have no desire to debate with you. You are entitled to you opinion but not to your own facts.
- [8]王晓明
- 6楼的意思是，谁有钱，谁多交税，谁就有发言权?
- 博主回复(2016-6-26 08:51)：Yes, Money talks. But it is not that simple.
- [7]dwen
- 即便是在更高一级的研究院阶段，华人子弟也出现了某种“优势”。比如我曾经求学的医学院，那时华人子弟不到5%。现在已经达到20%还多。估计将来会修改入学标准，也要培养其他族群的学生。这样对社会才有好处。
- 博主回复(2016-6-26 04:50)：Yes.
- [6]dwen
- 旧金山湾区几个学区的优秀高中，华人子弟几乎占了50%。但是这些公立学校是靠全体纳税人维持的，华人无论从人数上还是税金上远远低于50%。所以适当限制华人子弟的名额，不完全按照分数录取，照顾其他族群子女入学，不是歧视而是一种公平。再说学习有困难的孩子如果被排挤在外，将来会造成许多社会问题。
- 博主回复(2016-6-26 04:33)：Thanks for the added information. Chinese parents influenced by the Chinese examination system tend to think that "grades" account for everything. America is a multidimensional society, scholarship is only one of many factors for success in life. There are many other differences between Chinese culture and US culture. There in lie the problem and source of misunderstanding.
- [5]王晓明
- 马丁路德金在著名的I have a dream的演讲中说，他有一个梦，希望看到，将来有一天，大学录取能够与肤色无关。
这次高法的裁决，恰恰与此背道而驰，这才是令人失望的地方。 - 博主回复(2016-6-26 03:01)：This world is full of contradictions. But this does not necessarily say one is right the other is wrong.
- [4]dwen
- 同意何教授的建议。华人子弟即使没有进入最好的大学，也可以在研究院阶段追上去：选学理工科的专业，获得高级学位，成为专业人士。人生如同跑马拉松，没有赢在起跑线上，只要自己不放弃，机会有的是的。
- 博主回复(2016-6-28 05:11)：Absolutely
- [3]王键
- 问题不在于中国文化有没有优点。从多元化视角看，任何文化都有优点。中国文化存在了两千多年，它当然也有很多优点。但现在的问题，是这两个系统不兼容。美国文化难以同化华人，这是在统计意义上来谈。只有很小比例的华裔能融入美国，大多数则不可能。中国两千多年的传统，不是200多年的美国经验能轻易覆盖的。加上中国的庞大人口，美国没有可能改变中国，相反，美国自身的改变会大于中国。如果美国能继续领先一千年，那华人有可能被同化，但现在看不会有这么长时间。现代社会的很多常识，高度依赖于美国这个独一无二的超级大国，但现在这个地位已难以维持。因此，华裔的角色和身份认同，必然成为美国有史以来难以克服的问题和挑战。
- 博主回复(2016-6-28 05:13)：I will not debate with your "China first" viewpoint.
- [2]蒋迅
- 学校收取学生人数的增长没有跟上人口增长。
- 博主回复(2016-6-25 22:22)：Except for top schools (Harvard this year admitted one in twenty), there are plenty of space for college students.
- [1]王键
- 中国人这个群体是有它的特点的。早在几年前，我就写过一篇文章，“昂纳克寓言的启示”。在文末就非常隐晦地给出预测：将来美国一定还会排华。这个结论当然很令人沮丧，但客观规律是无情的。中国人在美国的数量大幅增加，必然会改变美国的政体和价值观。这不是谁的主观良好意愿能改变的。现在美国还在纠结穆斯林问题，要消除恐怖主义的威胁。但从长远来看，真正能造成美国崩溃的不是恐怖袭击，而会是华人问题，
- 博主回复(2016-6-25 19:38)：I don't agree with everything you say. Chinese culture has her good as well as bad aspects. The US and China may be heading for conflict. But that does not mean Chinese Americans will be prosecuted in the future. Chinese-American needs to learn to assimilate and to practice "give" beyond just "take" if they are going to prosper.
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