your great eternal pleasure

回答: Great pleasure 由 judge888 于 2004-01-14 08:17:00

I am saved by science. I feel so happy that no Christian can experience the real pleasure.
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I really can not understand your experience that your savior-science saved you! Do you mean that science gave you an eternal life, made you righteousness and not a sinner? Those words are so fresh to me. However, I know that fact that science absolutely not save you from sinner to be a man of righteousness.
Maybe we have different understanding on the word of "save", the Christian use word "saved" not only express that they are not belong to the sin world, also mean they can pass the final judgement of God.

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What I did here is to spread out justice, science. To save some christian (fundmentalist) from evil. I will be more than happy if the christian extrmism can pursuade me. If that happens, I will go to Africa to spread out Gospel.
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Sorry, I do not try to persuade you, for try to do something make you "more than happy”, as I said in title for "your great eternal pleasure".

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God, a perfect man/spirit, dead to pay the price for christians. This is not fair, nor justice in any sense if one have normal emotional reaction. Christians are the in-direct murder and should be punished according to law and conscience.
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Jesus was dead for the world, for all sinners, not just for Christians. You should get the conclusion that all people in the world are the murders who killed Jesus according to your logic. For Christian people, the death of Jesus was not in vain, since they believed in him and accepted him, that Jesus is live now and forever with/within them. The law of God and justice are fulfilled by their faith in Jesus. Even the laws of this world also applies this situation. We Christian confessed our sins that made us must die and we accepted the punishment that we have died with the Lord Jesus on the same cross, and resurrected with Jesus meantime. Does there is any law of justice could punish the same sin twice? For an example, you derived over-speed and get the ticket of fine; your father or someone else has paid it. I have question to you that should you pay the fine again? Absolutely not! Again, if your father or someone else wanted to pay for you, but you have rejected at all, the question is that should you pay the fine or not?
The Juger of any law will ask you pay it. Similarly, you can understand the difference between Christian and non-Christian in front of the judgment of God. God will judge all, Christian and non-Christian, but the final results are different so naturally, lawfully, justicial.


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I would ask why christians do not kill themself to enjoy their endless life in Heaven and feel their God's love directly. It seems that kill them early help them enjoy their endless life early. In my mind, any murder, whether it in the name of God or not, is unacceptable if one have conscience.
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First of all, I want tell you that the law of God says do not murder. Suicide is also the behavior of murder that should go to hell. In Bible, there is a sample, Judas, the one who sold the Jesus and hang himself; he was the son of hell. Moreover, according to the Bible, we are living not only in our flesh body, but also in Jesus Christ. How can we kill the Jesus twice? Your used word of "conscience" many times in your article to criticise Christian, but where is your "conscience", please show me. What I can say is that your this topic is not funny but only sin.

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They love God and theirself so much that they do not care about others, including their relatives and ancestors. The Bible clearly expressed this.
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〖太１０：２１〗：弟兄要把弟兄，父亲要把儿子，送到死
地。儿女要与父母为敌，害死他们。
〖太１０：３４－３７〗）：你们不要想我来，是叫地上太
平。我来并不是叫地上太平，乃是叫地上动刀兵。因为我来，是叫人与父亲生疏，女儿与母亲生疏，媳妇与婆婆生疏。人的仇敌，就是自己家里的人。爱父母过于爱我的，不配作我的门徒，爱儿女过于爱我的，不配作我的门徒。
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请不要断章取意。联系上下文，这里指的是基督徒在世界里受迫害，迫害他们的甚至包括他们的亲人。仆人不能高过主人，耶稣基督自己尚且被逼迫，被送上十字架。基督徒同样要被世界所恨，所逼迫。这个世界是属于撒旦的，撒旦不仅用尽一切手段对付耶稣，也动用一切手段对付热爱耶稣基督的人。为了主的缘故，多少基督徒被迫害，被监禁，被处死。

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〖太１９：１２〗：因为有生来是阉人，也有被人阉的，并
有为天国的缘故自阉的。这话谁能领受，就可以领受。（中世纪时许多修道士因此自阉。即使在今天，仍有宗派因此自阉。）
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这里的为天国的缘故自阉的是指如使徒保罗那样人，全身心投入传播神的福音中，而不结婚建立家庭。而不是指要真的自己动刀子作什么。中世纪时，圣经真理被遮盖住，出现各种宗教的作法不足为奇。

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〖路１９：２７〗：至于我那些仇敌不要我作他们王的，把
他们拉来，在我面前杀了罢。
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关于神的审判问题，前面有涉及，不赘言。

〖罗１：３２〗：在数说外邦男女放纵可羞耻的情欲之后，
他们虽知道神判定，行这样事的人是当死的，然而他们不但自己去行，还喜欢别人去行。
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谢谢你引用的经文。从这段经文里我们看到以色列人可耻的堕落。今天的情形也同样，人们明知神的判定，可是还是要为了可羞耻情欲，贪欲去拒绝神。不仅自己去犯罪，还喜欢别人去行。不是吗。我们知道很多人拒绝神，是因为他们的骄傲，他们认为依靠自己的努力一样可以完全。但也有很多人不是这样，他们拒绝信神仅仅是因为世界里(内心里)有罪恶的东西在吸引。所谓的科学只不过是拒绝神的一个借口罢了。本人也是吃科学这碗饭的，我的周围有杰出贡献的基督徒科学家也不少 (包括我老板，他的网页上还特意提及他信仰基督)，信科学就不能信基督的说法有谁能信呢？

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