English - 这是在猴子-共产党一群的魔爪下，写出比较真实的，对清朝的评论！

                                                                   

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这是在猴子-共产党一群的魔爪下，写出比较真实的，对清朝的评论！
为什么？在九十多年前的孙中山；汪精卫几个，就看不惯？就要兴风作浪？就要谋杀清朝大臣？实行所谓的“三民主义”？跟着一大群，流氓阿飞，大肆叫嚣，推翻几千年的《封建》，实行民主，好了！
结果，如今的中华民国，好了？好在是走投无路？！
所以，本皇帝，在《烧饼歌》中，和《推背图》中，没有看到清朝的不好！
只有看到中华民国的不是-一再被上帝追究？！
从胡宗南，就像没有头的苍蝇，到处乱撞看，就是上帝安排的！
不然的话，一个这样的特务，暗藏在蒋介石身边，不会发现？
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中华正国皇帝胡德斌于欧洲行宫。2007，9，4。

大清王朝是如何灭亡的？文章提交者：方兴 加贴在 中国历史 铁血论坛 http://bbs.tiexue.net/bbs_73.html

清朝，作为中国最后一个王朝，作为一个承载着，中国近代奇耻大辱的王朝，作为一个统治广大汉族的，少数民族政权，一直为现在中国人，嘲讽的对象，更有甚者，意淫着明朝；如何的先进，仿佛大清朝，是一次历史的大倒退，仿佛换在明朝，就不会有这么多的不平等条约！中国近代的落后，全是因为清朝的统治，并罗列出一大串的名单，名曰历史罪人！

这就是中国历史，最复杂最痛苦的一部分，我们往往不敢正面，总是希望自己个替罪羊，仿佛就是这几个人，造成了落后，就是这种找替罪羊的思想，中国历史，永远只是纸上的哪些事，国家，永远不能通过历史学到什么！也就一次；一次没有知识者；无畏的重复着历史的错误。

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中国许多学者提出，“清朝没有昏君，没有奸臣。”事实上的确如此，与明朝相比，清朝终其一生，君王-贤惠，勤政，而又严于律己；臣子-忠君，基本没有叛逆之事，官员，基本上还算是廉洁有为；后宫，虽有慈禧干涉政治，但是却也是任贤用能，就其对社会的危害，与明朝的后宫乱政相比，轻之又轻；太监乱朝，在清朝太监，还是比较收敛的，始终没有酿成大的危害，李连英吸取安德海的教训，始终不敢做事太嚣张！……
如此说来，清朝优点于明朝，可是，还是灭亡了！并且带来了中国的，一百年奇耻大辱，清朝亡于内忧外患，几次大的侵华战争，使得国力消耗极大，可是，外患始终是次要的，与中国，处在头一历史时期的日本，在外患一样严重的情况下，却发展起来了！这就是一个奇怪现象！

道光皇帝，从历史的记载上看，此皇帝，还算是一位有道的皇帝，文治；武功，而又严于律己，可谓是才德兼备，古之明君；圣主莫过如此，可是历史，就是这样的无情，第一个不平等条约，是你签的。在历史上，你就永远得无法翻身！清朝自嘉庆皇帝起，国力下降，道光皇帝和咸丰皇帝，都梦想着做一个中兴之君，论能力，道光皇帝是称职的，咸丰皇帝的能力，又不及道光皇帝，又赶上太平天国起事，内忧外患下，中国陷入了空前的危机。

就鸦片战争而言，第一次充其量，是一次贸易摩擦，因为，没有有效的仲裁机构，引发了战争，从战争实际看，君-贤惠；将士-忠良，一生开疆扩土的王朝，将这次也是第一次的军事失败，看成是奇耻大辱，这一点也是明朝所不具备的！从这些看，还不是一个灭亡王朝的样子；第二次，不过是一次外交事件，假能的咸丰皇帝，在一帮子狗头军师的指挥下，造成了帝国的屈辱！这些都不是关键！

随后的同治皇帝和光绪皇帝，从历史上看，这一段时间，应该叫做“同治皇帝道光皇帝中兴”，内，国内基本平定，外，这一段时期，还没有大规模的外族入侵，（中法战争，甲午战争，八国联军，这几场战争还没有开始），国内，慈禧，合格王公大臣，开始兴办洋务，鸦片战争，从另一个方面上看，也为中国带来了近代文明！外交上，中国，此时迎来了几位颇有眼观和手腕的人物，如大臣李鸿章就是一位，此时的中国总体上，应该讲是上升的！（日本的明治维新，也是发生在这一时期）可是结果大家也都看见了，还是失败了，而同时期发展起来的日本，却成为世界强国！

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为什么？是该问个为什么了！

一、地主阶级的败落和消失。

清朝终其一生，还就是一个封建王朝，封建王朝的根基，就是地主阶级，而这一点是，满清入关时，就种下的灭亡的种子了！明朝灭亡时，大量地主阶级逃亡，清朝，除起的圈地运动，又使得不是耕作的旗人，成为新兴的地主阶级，对中原农耕文化的不了解，使得他们，永远都成不了真正的地主！

广大百姓的生活痛苦，矛头直指地主阶级；政府为了取悦民众，加大了对地主阶级的打击，和压迫，随后的“康熙皇帝乾隆皇帝盛世”的经济改革，又将整个社会的负担，压在了地主阶级的肩上，在上下夹攻中，地主阶级在没落，大量的地主破产。而此时社会的经济发展，又使得土地产值下降，光靠地里的收成，地主会越来越穷，商业实惠的发展，使得地主，纷纷投身进了商业领域！这时的地主阶级，其实在乾隆皇帝晚年，就已经不复存在！

二、新兴阶级的产生

在上下夹击下，地主大量破产；商业实惠的发展，使得地主，纷纷投身进了商业领域，新兴的商业，地主大量的涌进城市，加上国家的灾害，社会的发展，人口的增长，使得大量的农民也破产了，农民和地主的同时，涌进城市，使得国家开始了第一次的，大规模城市化，新兴的阶级出现——资本主义萌芽的出现。虽然这种现象在明朝就已经出现，可是清朝的社会发展，使得这种萌芽更加的强劲有力！

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洋务运动的发展，又使得中国出现了民族资产阶级。这些在中学课本里，都有我就不累赘了！

可是要看见的事，中国的社会发展缓慢，无论是商业地主，还是民族资产阶级，因为发展无力力量，都过于虚弱，还应该看到，中国的民族资产阶级，实际上是一种官僚资本；而商业地主，又和社会的黑恶势力，有着千丝万缕的联系。

而无力的阶级，又接不起国家的政权，同时发展起来的日本，因为其地方的实力很强，地方又和资产阶级有很强的联系，于是日本，可以找到一支，挑起大梁的政治集团。强调大一统，和皇权的中国，就没有这个能力！

三、历史的选择

是历史选择了中国的工农阶级，来挽救中国，是历史选择了用共产党来领导这次运动！

《点评》这是放屁的话。

中国走出了这次危机。而清朝却在这次危机里灭亡了。

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危机过后，我们是否认识到了呢？——历史用血淋淋的事实，再向我们传达一个信息。而这个信息，中国人又看到了多少？

“官员”的败坏，社会的转型，使得人们没有办法生活，国家在此时期的作为如何？

社会的发展，使得社会的阶级发生了改变，政党是否认识到了这一点？

官僚资本的恶性膨胀，地方保护势力的发展，黑恶势力的地方发展，以及和政府官员，与地方势力的勾结，使得经济发展守限，政府，是否和人民在打击这些势力，是否能像当年，消灭地主阶级那样，扼杀这股社会毒瘤？

This is under monkey - communist party crowd of evil clutches, quite really writes, checks the dynasty the commentary! 2007-09-05 07:42:43 
 
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This is under monkey - communist party crowd of evil clutches, quite really writes, checks the dynasty the commentary!
Why? In more than 90 year ago Sun Yat-Sen; Wang Jingwei how many can't, get used to seeing? Must stir up trouble? Must murder Qing Dynasty minister? Implements "Three People's Principles of Sun Yat-sen" so-called? With a big group, the hooligans and young rowdies, are setting off a great clamor, overthrow several millenniums "Feudalism", the implementation democracy, was good!
Finally, present Republic of China, was good? Is good in is has no way out? !
Therefore, this emperor, in "Sesame seed cake Song" center, with "Pushes Back Chart" center, had not seen the Qing Dynasty is not good!
Only saw Republic of China is not - was investigated repeatedly by God? !
From Hu Zongna, does not like the head fly, everywhere proceeds along no particular course looked, is God arranges!
Otherwise, a such spy, conceals in the Chiang Kai-Shek side, cannot discover?
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Chinese country Emperor HuDebin to European temporary palace. 2007, 9, 4.

How does the Qing Dynasty dynasty is perish? Article submitting: Fang Xingjia pastes in Chinese history blood and iron forum http://bbs.tiexue.net/bbs_73.html

The Qing Dynasty, took the Chinese last dynasty, took a load bearing, the Chinese modern times great shame dynasty, was taking a dominant general Han Nationality, the national minority political power, always is the present Chinese, the taunt object, and what is more, Italian obscene Ming Dynasty; How advanced, is Qing Dynasty dynasty, a historical great retrogression as if, trades as if in the Ming Dynasty, cannot have such many not equal treaties! Chinese modern times backwardness, all is because of Qing Dynasty's rule, and displays a big string the name list, the name says the historical criminal!

This is the Chinese history, a most complex most painful part, we often do not dare the frontage, always hoped an oneself scapegoat, as if is these people, has created backwardness, is this kind looks for scapegoat's thought, the Chinese history, which matters forever only is on the paper, the country, never can learn any through the history! Also; Time does not have the knowledge; Dauntless repetition history mistake.

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Chinese many scholars proposed that, "Qing Dynasty does not have the unenlightened ruler, does not have the disloyal subject." In fact indeed so, compares with the Ming Dynasty, Qing Dynasty end its life, the king - is virtuous, industrious politics, but also practices good self-discipline; Official - loyal Mr., basically does not have matter of the rebel, the official, basically also is honest is promising; Latter palace, although has Cixi to interfere politics, but actually also is no matter what virtuous using energy, it to the society the harm, 乱政compares with the Ming Dynasty after palace, light also is light; Court eunuch chaotic dynasty, in Qing Dynasty court eunuch, or compares restrains, throughout has not bred the big harm, Li Lianying absorbs the Anders sea the lesson, throughout does not dare to work too rampantly! ... ...
So mentions, Qing Dynasty merit to Ming Dynasty, but, or perished! And has brought China, 100 years great shame, the Qing Dynasty perishes to the internal disorder and foreign invasions, several big invasions of China wars, cause the national strength consumption to be enormous, but, the foreign aggression throughout is secondary, with China, occupies a first historical period Japan, in the foreign aggression equally serious situation, actually developed! This is a strange phenomenon!

Daoguang emperor, looked from the historical record, this emperor, but also is emperor which is correct, 文治; Wugong, but also practices good self-discipline, it may be said is has both ability and integrity, ancient Mr. Ming; The enlightened ruler not crosses so, but the history, is such heartlessness, the first not equal treaty, is you signs. In the history, you forever are unable to stand up from failure! The Qing Dynasty from fine celebrates emperor to get up, the national strength drops, Daoguang emperor and Xian feng emperor, all was vainly hoping for is Mr. of the resurgence, by the ability, Daoguang emperor is competent for the post, Xian feng emperor's ability, also is inferior to Daoguang emperor, also catches up with the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom to stage a rebellion, under the internal disorder and foreign invasions, China fell into the unprecedented crisis.

Speaking of the Opium War, first at best, is a trade friction, because, does not have the effective arbitration organization, has initiated the war, actually looked from the war, Mr. - is virtuous; The officers and men - loyal are good, the life opens up territory to expand the earth the dynasty, this also is the first military defeat, regards as is the great shame, this point also is the Ming Dynasty does not have! Looked from these, but also is not perishes the dynasty appearance; Second, but is a diplomatic event, the vacation can Xian feng emperor, in under a group of children dog-headed military strategist's direction, has created the empire humiliation! These all are not the keys!

Afterwards Tongzhi emperor and Emperor Guang Xu, looked from the history that, this period of time, should be called "Tongzhi emperor Daoguang emperor the resurgence", in, domestic basic still, outside, this section of times, but also does not have the large-scale other families invasion, (the Chinese and French war, the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95, the Eight Power Expeditionary Force, these wars have not started), domestic, Cixi, qualified nobles and ministers, start to establish the foreign affairs, the Opium War, looked from another aspect, also has brought the modern civilization for China! In the diplomacy, China, this time welcomed several quite perforated view and the skill characters, if Minister Li Hongzhang was, in this time Chinese overall, should say is the rise! (Japan's Meiji Restoration, also was occurs in this time) but result everybody also all saw, or has been defeated, but the same time developed Japan, actually became the world powerful nation!

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Why? Was why should ask!

First, the landlord class declines and vanishes.

Qing Dynasty end its life, but also is a feudal dynasty, the feudal dynasty foundation, is the landlord class, but this point is, the Qing Dynasty enters when closes, plants the seed which perishes! When the Ming Dynasty perishes, the massive landlord class becomes a fugitive, the Qing Dynasty, eliminates the circle movement which gets up, also causes is not the cultivation bannerman, becomes the emerging landlord class, ploughs the culture to the area south of Yellow River agriculture not to understand, causes them, forever all could not become the genuine landlord!

The general common people's life pain, the spear point straight points to the landlord class; The government in order to try to please the populace, has enlarged to landlord class's attack, with oppression, afterwards "Kanghsi Emperor Emperor Qian Long prosperous times" economical reform, also the entire society's burden, pressed in on landlord class's shoulder, attacked from both sides in about, the landlord class was declining, massive landlord bankruptcy. But this time society's economical development, also causes the land output value to drop, the light depends on the geographical features the crop, the landlord can be more and more poor, the commercial materially beneficial development, causes the landlord, joined in the commercial domain in abundance! The by now landlord class, actually in Emperor Qian Long the old age, already no longer existed!

Second, emerging social class's production

Under the about converging attack, the landlord massively goes bankrupt; The commercial materially beneficial development, causes the landlord, joined in the commercial domain in abundance, the emerging trade, the landlord massive welled up the city, in addition the national disaster, society's development, the population growth, caused the massive farmers also to go bankrupt, the farmer and landlord's at the same time, welled up the city, caused the country to start first, the large-scale urbanization, the emerging social class appeared the appearance which - the capitalism germinated. Although this kind of phenomenon already appeared in the Ming Dynasty, but Qing Dynasty's social development, even more caused this kind of seed strong to be powerful!

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Westernization movement development, also caused China to appear the national bourgeoisie. These in the middle school textbook, all had my not burden!

But must see the matter, China's society develops slowly, regardless of is the commercial landlord, or national bourgeoisie, because develops the incapable strength, too is all weak, but also should see, China's national bourgeoisie, is one kind of bureaucratic capital in fact; But commercial landlord, also with society's black evil force, has the very complicated relation.

But incapable social class, also cannot meet the national political power, simultaneously develops Japan, because its place strength is very strong, the place also has the very strong relation with the bourgeoisie, thereupon Japan, may find, shoulders the summer beam the political group. Emphasizes universally, with imperial authority China, does not have this ability!

Third, historical choice

Was the history has chosen China's worker and peasant social class, saved China, was the history chooses has led this movement with the communist party!

"Review" this is a speech which breaks wind.

China went out this crisis. But the Qing Dynasty actually perished in this crisis.

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After the crisis passes, whether we have realized? - The history with the bloody fact, transmits an information again to us. But this information, how many did the Chinese see?

 ruining, does society's reforming, enable the people not to have the means life, how the country in this time achievement?

Society's development, enabled social the social class to have the change, the political party whether did realize this point?

The bureaucratic capital malignant inflation, the place protection influence development, the black evil force place development, as well as with the government officials, with place influence colluding with, causes the economical development to defend limits, government, whether is attackting these influences with the people, whether could like the same year, eliminated landlord class such, strangled this social malignant tumor?