"I feel God in every step of my life!" archbishop. @1:31:17/1:49:53
"You've never kissed a woman. How could you know of Love?" You mute your desire for humans?
"God is love." You can't separate God from love."
Tito remained the president of Yugoslavia until his death of May 4, 1980.
The historical context of the conversation between Tito (the communist leader of Yugoslavia) and Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac after WWII reflects a real and pivotal moment in Yugoslav history. The consequences were significant for both church-state relations and postwar justice.
Here is the historical trajectory and consequence:
1. Consolidation of Tito’s Power
After WWII, Josip Broz Tito emerged as the leader of Communist Yugoslavia, establishing the Federal People’s Republic of Yugoslavia in 1945.
He sought to neutralize political threats, including religious authorities who had influence over the Croatian population.
2. Stepinac’s Position
Alojzije Stepinac, Archbishop of Zagreb, was a controversial figure:
He initially supported the independent Croatian state (NDH) during the war.
He later opposed Ustaše atrocities but remained silent on some genocides and maintained ties to the Vatican.
Tito viewed him as a symbol of Vatican interference and Croatian nationalism.
3. The Consequence of the Conversation
Tito offered Stepinac a deal:
Break ties with the Vatican and support a state-controlled Catholic Church in Yugoslavia.
In exchange, he would avoid persecution.
Stepinac refused to break with Rome.
Result:
1946: Stepinac was arrested and put on trial for collaboration with the Ustaše regime and crimes against humanity.
He was sentenced to 16 years in prison (later reduced to house arrest).
This cemented Tito’s dominance and isolated the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia.
4. Long-term Historical Impact
Church-State Divide: Tito’s Yugoslavia became officially atheist and communist, with tight control over religious institutions.
Stepinac as a Symbol:
Vilified in Yugoslavia as a collaborator, but in Croatia and the Vatican he became a martyr of communist persecution.
1998: Pope John Paul II beatified Stepinac, reigniting historical debates.
Geopolitical Significance: This episode was part of Tito’s effort to assert independence from both Western influence (Vatican) and Soviet-style church subjugation, forming his unique non-aligned Yugoslavia.
If you want, I can map this cause-and-consequence sequence in a historical flowchart showing the conversation → trial → long-term political impact.
Do you want me to create that?
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Josip Broz Tito
(1892 – 1980)
Josip Broz = his birth name
Tito = his wartime nom de guerre, later used as his political name
He became the President of Yugoslavia and leader of the Partisans during WWII, then ruled the country until his death.
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軍頭與牧師<> (film, WW2) A film analysis chart of power, ideology, and morality.
a list of themes drawn from 軍頭與牧師 (The General and the Priest / The Conversation) based on the description, historical context, and viewer comments:
1. Power and Politics After War
Post-WWII power struggles in Yugoslavia and Croatia
Negotiation of the new political order between communists and religious leaders
Fate of a nation decided by a few key figures
2. Clash of Ideologies
Communism vs. Catholicism / secular vs. spiritual authority
Nationalism vs. international influence (Allies and Soviet pressures)
Moral authority vs. political authority
3. Moral Ambiguity and Guilt
Religious complicity in wartime atrocities (Stepinac and Ustashe context)
Question of forgiveness, justice, and punishment for collaborators
Individuals and institutions facing their moral reckoning
4. Identity, Faith, and Betrayal
Struggle of Croats, Serbs, and other ethnic groups in postwar realignment
Loyalty to faith vs. loyalty to nation
Emotional weight of personal and collective betrayal
5. Survival and Pragmatism
Decisions driven by survival in a volatile postwar environment
Leaders navigating whether to cooperate, resist, or eliminate opponents
Tension between personal convictions and political expediency
6. Memory and Trauma
Collective memory of genocide and persecution
Emotional scars of war on leaders and civilians
The shadow of first loves and personal losses amidst political decisions (as hinted in viewer reactions)
7. Justice vs. Revenge
Postwar reckoning: execution or reconciliation?
The blurred line between justice, revenge, and political necessity
Leaders of Yugoslavia and Croatia are sealing an entire continent's fate | True Story | Full Movie
My oh my... The title of this video is an exaggeration. Stepinac was a prewar II Archbishop of Zagreb and a controversial character because of his role during WWII. Let's recap that during WWII, the Ustashe forces in the puppet state of NDH perpetrated genocide against the Serbian, Jewish, and Roma populations. They also persecuted and tortured antifascists, communists ... The Roman Catholic Church supported the genocide, and their priests and clergy participated in it. On the other side, Tito emerged from WWII as the leader of the Yugoslavian communists and later became a president of the newly formed Republic of Yugoslavia. They could have had influence only on the faith of Croats, Serbs, and other nations living in what used to be former Yugoslavia and in the aftermath of WW II.
@jackreacher885
19 hours ago (edited)
S U P E R B 1 LOVED EVERY MINUTE, MAN! I shall drink in your name [30.00]. A new one to me. TOUCHE! Crying at [47.00] All of us remember our first love, huh! I think the General had the conversation with the archbishop to decide whether to put the guy up against the wall. You fine folks have to watch the movie to find out. HE-HE.
@dixjam2258
2 days ago