\'Der Untergang\'\'The Downfall\'

"Der Untergang"

The original name of the film is "Der Untergang" in German, which translates to "The Downfall" in English.

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Traudl Junge, the final secretary for Adolf Hitler, tells of the Nazi dictator's final days in his Berlin bunker at the end of WWII.

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2005

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2:35:02

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German

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English

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Bruno GanzAlexandra Maria LaraUlrich MatthesJuliane KöhlerCorinna HarfouchHeino FerchChristian BerkelMatthias HabichThomas KretschmannMichael Mendl

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Oliver Hirschbiegel

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[@theprofessional155]@theprofessional155
8 months ago (edited)
Right when the movie starts November 1942 is the beginning of the end of Hitler's regime. At that same time the 6th army was starting to freeze in Stalingrad when the winter kicked in and by late December they had no chance of breaking out. Hitler also refused to allow them to break out and promoted Paulus the commander to field marshal. Paulus was not promoted for his command of the 6th army but because no German field marshal in history has ever surrendered. It was pressure to have Paulus kill himself or fight to the end but he did not expect Paulus to surrender. This movie is very important for understanding evil. During World War 1 the Kaiser did not want to abdicate but did and in the end Germany surrendered when the Allies broke through their lines in November of 1918. Kaiser Wilhelm was not a good man but he wasn't evil. He did not want to see his country completely obliterated. Germany was punished severely after World War 1 but if they kept fighting it would have been worse. Their whole country would have been destroyed. After the Kaiser saw Hitler's reign he said for the first time in his life he was ashamed to be German. He didn't live to see Germany's destruction. Hitler refused to ever retreat even it was tactically advantageous. In his eyes even one step back from the battle was considered cowardice. He would sacrifice every last German for his own ego. The scene with him discussing the Nero decree with Speer was very accurate. This was a decree to destroy all German infrastructure including hospitals, farms, factories. Speer was horrified and told Hitler Germany needed them after the war. Hitler told him that the true Germans have died and all that remain are weak and should be destroyed. This is what Hitler thought of Germany in his last days. He never took responsibility and never admitted he was wrong. To him the German people failed him not the other way around. Hitler was one of the most evil men in history but also the biggest narcissist in human history. Not even Stalin was as narcissistic as him. Stalin made a giant mistake purging many good Soviet generals in the 1930s. During World War 2 he largely backed off and let his generals plan where Hitler acted like a military genius and would force his generals to make stupid moves. Speer disobeyed the order and told Hitler himself as in the movie. Hitler for some reason did not have him killed. This was the only reason Speer was spared from the death penalty at Nuremberg. He was one of the few top nazis that was not executed. However even though he wasn't evil he wasn't a good man either. Speer knew about concentration camp prisoners being forced to build projects he was working on. Speer used slave labor. The Himmler scenes are also very historically accurate. Himmler attempted to contact the Allies accepting the war was lost weeks before Hitler did. It shows you how narcissistic and delusional Himmler was that he somehow thought that Eisenhower would negotiate with him. This man was the architect of the Holocaust and killed millions of people. You have to be a really delusional man to think the Allies would negotiate with you. He killed himself after he realized the Allies wouldn't negotiate with him. Lastly that scene at 59:18 is very historically accurate. Hitler was obsessed with Frederick the Great which he considered one of Germany's greatest heroes. Frederick the Great fought a war against Russia and Austria during the Seven Years War and it was a disaster. Russia was invading Prussia and about to take Berlin. At the last moment Elizabeth the Tsar of Russia died and her nephew Peter III took power. He wished to end the war with Prussia and did not invade Berlin saving Frederick. Hitler so delusional thought this history was repeating after FDR died and thought for some reason Truman would negotiate with him. This movie is a perfect example of what happens when you don't surrender when you have lost a war. Your entire country is destroyed but Hitler would rather see Germany burned to the ground and every German dead then accept defeat.
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[@kellijones6481]

@kellijones6481

7 months ago
Bruno Ganz should’ve won an Oscar and every accolade in the world for his portrayal of Hitler. You almost forget you’re watching a movie at times. One of the best performances in any movie ever.

没有正确的社会人人关系意识与正常的宗教信仰造成的社会悲剧。

 

in English: 影片讲述了希特勒人生中最后的12天，其中包括苏联红军攻克柏林，希特勒同新婚妻子爱娃·布劳恩自杀于地下掩体的情景。 1.该片在德国甫一公映便引发争论。在媒体热炒的影响之下，短短一个月内有300万人被劝进了电影院。当月，《汉堡周刊》为这部影片做了17页的专题报道；德国历史学家第45届大会上甚至同意专为该片举行一天辩论；德国前总理科尔也斩钉截铁地说，这部电影拍得很值，希望有更多的人能看到。 2.“元首的愤怒”：指本片中希特勒听到史坦纳将军没有发动进攻时，愤怒地咆哮，这一段常被网友借用，借“元首之口”，配上字幕进行恶搞。 3.特劳德·琼格逃离地堡后，并不是简简单单穿过苏军队伍，然后骑上自行车逃到安全地点。真实情况是，她被强j了数次，并被作为特殊高级纳粹官员关押。https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2XyOEmepcg 

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The film depicts the last 12 days of Hitler's life, including the Soviet Red Army's capture of Berlin and the scene of Hitler and his newlywed wife Eva Braun committing suicide in an underground bunker.

1. The film sparked controversy in Germany immediately upon its release. Fueled by media hype, within just one month, 3 million people were persuaded to go to the theaters. In that month, "Hamburg Weekly" dedicated 17 pages to this film; even at the 45th conference of German historians, there was agreement to hold a day-long debate specifically about the film; former German Chancellor Kohl also unequivocally stated that the film was well made and hoped that more people would see it.

2. "The Führer's Anger": This refers to a scene in the film where Hitler angrily roars upon hearing that General Steiner did not launch an attack. This particular segment is often used by netizens, who manipulate it with subtitles, mimicking "the Führer's voice" for humorous purposes.

3. Traudl Junge's escape from the bunker wasn't as simple as depicted in the film, where she is shown to merely pass through the Soviet lines and ride a bicycle to safety. In reality, she was subjected to assault multiple times and was detained as a special high-ranking Nazi official.
   

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The original name of the film is "Der Untergang" in German, which translates to "The Downfall" in English.
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[@user-lb1ry4yp1z]

@user-lb1ry4yp1z

2 years ago
辛苦了，為你點讚！但是結尾一句提到了守住規矩，想問，何謂規矩？誰定的？為何世人絕大部分都守不住，但仍然要守？
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[@XiaoyueCui]

@XiaoyueCui

2 years ago
解说基本正确，但有好几处错误，比如少年彼德参加的是民间人民冲锋队，不是党卫队，又，戈培尔当时是宣传部长，不是首相，希特勒遗嘱，自己死后任命戈培尔为总理。
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[@samg6300]

@samg6300

2 years ago
说的真对！都是人民自己的选择，虽然他们多半没有机会，也不懂得如何选择。
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[@gloriatsau]

@gloriatsau

2 years ago (edited)
這部電影顯示出一個人的邪惡不是在於他的野心，而是他為了「自己」的私心/計劃什麼的 根本不在乎人民的生命，視人命如草芥——是沒錯，人民選擇他作為領導者，但那是因為相信他會成功，而失敗發生時，明明有機會讓無辜的老弱婦孺撤退保命，卻用感人的智障邏輯讓人民做無謂的犧牲去陪葬？最可怕的是到最後，甚至到今天，都還有人相信並認同希特勒.....看完這部電影，我原本不明白為什麼那麼多人支持明顯有精神疾病的川普，但我現在恍然大悟了——所謂歷史一再重蹈覆轍原來是真的，人性當中那種莫名喪失理智的瘋狂偶像崇拜從來就沒有改變過，而且可怕的是往往也是這樣瘋狂的支持者堅稱自己是最清醒而且無比正確，任何人都撼動不了他們的「政治意識型態」，就像那個女秘書，一定要直到別人告訴她六百多萬猶太人被殘殺她才真正「清醒」過來...但想想有多少人根本沒有像她一樣的「機會」清醒過來，

[@supernewbee7420]

@supernewbee7420

2 years ago
納粹殺人無數 但不以殘忍而聞名，這一點比日本人好多了。日本人的別稱"東洋大盜"不是叫假的，日本人的兇殘不只二戰的南京大屠殺還有太平洋戰場活生生的將歐美戰俘的下體割下再砍頭 然後將其下體放進頭的嘴裡，早在18-19世紀時 日本的殘忍已經聞名世界 甲午戰爭後的入侵朝鮮及台灣牡丹社事件和旅順大屠殺-英國人詹姆斯·艾倫（James Allan）在他的著作《在龍旗下——中日戰爭目擊記》中寫道：我第一次親眼看見日本兵追逐逃難的百姓，用刺刀對付所有的人，對跌倒的人更是兇狠地亂刺，在街道上行走，腳下到處踩著死屍。

天已經黑了，屠殺還在繼續進行著，絲亳沒有停息的跡象。呼喊聲、尖厲的叫聲和呻吟的聲音，到處迴蕩。街道上呈現出一幅可怕的景象：地上浸透了血水，遍地躺臥著肢體殘缺的屍體，有些小胡同簡直被死屍堵住了，死者大都是城裡人。我站在一處高地，離我不遠處有一個池塘，池塘邊站著好多日本兵，拼命將一群難民往池塘趕，不一會池塘裡便塞滿了人。只見難民在水裡亂成一片。池塘裡斷頭的，斬腰的，穿胸的，破腹的，攪成一團，水變成通紅一片。

日本兵在一旁歡笑狂喊，快活得不得了。池塘裡少數活人，在死屍上爬來爬去，滿身血污。其中一個女人，抱著一個小孩子，浮出水面，朝日本兵發出淒婉的哀求。岸邊的日本兵竟拿刺刀來捅，當胸捅了個對穿。第二下又捅那個孩子，只見刺刀一捅，小孩子被捅到刺刀上，他高高的挑起槍來，搖了幾搖，當作玩耍的東西，剛掙扎了一下，日本兵就將這個小孩子斬成幾段，那女人伏在地下，尚未捅死，用奄奄一息的力氣，想要起來看看那個孩子，見日本兵脫光她的衣服，將乳房割下，並食其乳房，此時那女人仍然活著，日本兵隨後合力將女人腰斬。
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[@linwang7115]

@linwang7115

2 years ago (edited)
1942可不是二战的末期。彼时轴心国正处于全盛期。 二战转折于1943年。
而是早就被自己的「偶像」活活「害死」了還自認為很「光榮」很「應該」......這就是政治最可悲最可怕之處......

@user-zh6gd7qf3n

1 month ago
看這種比看真実電影強，在電影院看到會睡覺

 

@MrKeren777

2 years ago
15：17的翻译有问题，格尔达 1997年83岁才去世，不是1977。 Gerda Christian died of cancer in Düsseldorf in 1997, aged 83
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[@jayden1181]

@jayden1181

2 years ago
很多人就觉得自己国家很强大 动不动就鼓吹开战 但是请记得 战争开始就算你国家再强人民也会遭殃 切记珍爱和平

 

@user-mg1gu2kb9l

2 years ago
有一點千萬不能變，聽黨的話、跟黨走，人民軍隊忠於黨
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[@user-jv5sz9zb6j]

@user-jv5sz9zb6j

2 years ago
用她是因为她是南德巴伐利亚人和希特勒是准老乡（元首是南德西奥边境出生）

@derongxuan

2 years ago
元首是德国人民一票一票选出来的，总有人试图漠视这一点
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[@ufo5933]

@ufo5933

2 years ago
小紅粉該看看这一部。
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[@olivif]

@olivif

2 years ago
最诛心的就是元首说，人民选择了这条路，就得承受选择带来的结果。君王死社稷是本分，无论是世袭的还是人民选的，穷途末路兵败身死，不能要求一个民族陪葬。

@user-zs8pp5yf5l

2 years ago
还有一部电影他回来了 德国人民选择了希特瑞
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[@ybzhao176]

@ybzhao176

2 years ago
解释错误有点多。。比如炮击地下室那一段，原话更像是，“相比炮击还是空袭好忍受一些”
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[@blackwoof9520]

@blackwoof9520

2 years ago
并不觉得结尾所说的正确，对个人而言不论是忠君爱国还是坚守信念都没有错，希特勒誓言死在柏林，也不能说是什么恶行，问题在于纳粹德国的方向性有问题，还有纳粹德国终究还是战败了。 历史由胜利者书写不是简简单单一句话就可以表达的，胜利者决定了失败者的一切，甚至价值观，纳粹德国人爱德国唉领袖，不行！美国人爱美国，行！不要忘了希特勒的种族清洗计划本质上是翻版的美国清洗印第安人。 所以历史没有对错，历史更多的是胜负，看个16分钟电影简介就跳出来借题发挥的可以省一省，谁在上升谁在下降很明显，不如学习下意大利人，至少能得个战胜国的头衔。

@young5969

2 years ago
刚好这几天看到推特上有人在寻找文革的答案：是M一个人的错误，还是整个民族共同制造的人间惨剧？影片最后的那段评论，感觉也很适合解说文革。
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[@user-vy2fm9dh5e]

@user-vy2fm9dh5e

2 years ago
文革是说不清的。本来是为了打倒少数上层人物，后来怎么就变成全国的，老百姓之间的斗争？谁挑动的群众斗群众？当年毛的地位可是如日中天，还需要发动文革来打倒几个人？
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[@winteraugust3797]

@winteraugust3797

1 year ago
 寅  没接受过教育的人是很容易被煽动的，不会威胁到独裁者的地位，还能成为刽子手，那些知识分子才会威胁到独裁者的地位，不然怎么每次都是农民杀知识分子，因为这类人有思考能力，会反抗，不好控制，底层人民吃不饱穿不暖，所以只有一个思维就是要吃饱穿好，不会去思考更深沉的东西，信息封闭，没有思考能力，好控制，洗脑就会非常容易