美国BBS的愤青拿中国歼10与美F22对比

　　以下在美国一论坛截获的消息，因看似其民众对咱J-10讨论比较“积极”，故仅采用其中某些观点分享（粗略翻译，体谅！）

　　楼主（barba007）：China Release New Fighter. The J-10.转自

　　The Chinese People\'s Liberations Army Air Force will soon have a fifth generation fighter jet to replace the aging J-6, J-7, J-8, J-9, MiG-21.

　　The new J-10 is a Joint Chinese-Israel operation.

　　The Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) and the 611 institute began development of the J-10 during the 1980s, as part of an effort to produce a single-engined, single-seat multi-role, fighter to replace the obsolete J-7 fighter and the Q-5 attack aircraft.

　　In looks the J-10 appears to be very similar to the Euro Fighter Typhoon,

　　CAC has carried out full tests on 10 prototypes the last being 28 June 2002 when Number 1008 flew its madden flight.

　　A J-10B has been earmarked as a possible Carrier-based version.

　　With a reported take off weight of 42,00lb, the J-10 is about 1/3 lighter than the Su-27K deployed aboard Russia\'s Admiral Kuznetsov, allowing it to operate more easily from a smaller deck, and take off with full load from a Russian-style ski-jump.

　　China has sharp teeth! Now!

　　标题：中国公布其最新战机，歼-10

　　中国解放军空军不久就可以用5代（不知道他们为何称5代？冥想中。。）战机替换J-6，J-7，J-8，J-9，MIG-21了

　　新的歼-10 是中国-以色列合作的结果。（看来这小子不太了解情况）。成都空航公司CAC和611研究机构于80年代开始研制歼-10，计划用单引擎，单座/双座（不知MULTI-ROLE是否为此意思？）战机替换老战机J-7和Q5。

　　歼-10外表看来与欧洲的台风战机很相似，CAC已早在于2002年6月完成了对10种原型机的1008次测试。

　　歼-10B 型已被预测为可能的舰载机版本，报告声称歼-10能载重42，00lb 起飞，比起苏-27能轻1/3，这样能允许其能满载从更小的甲板起飞，比如俄式航母。

　　中国现在有力齿了！！！

　　某甲（mad scientist)：There has been a thread already on the J-10. Whilst it is referred to as a 5th generation fighter, it doesn\'t compare to the Eurofighter, JSF or F-22. This seems to be more Chicom disinformation more than anything else.

　　看来已经有威胁够歼-10受的了，只要是5代的战机，就不能和欧洲战机，JSF（啥型号，菜鸟请教？）或F-22，这除非只是中共的夸大而已。

　　某乙（MT69）：Ahhhh, something for the US Air Force to shoot out of the sky. （Face:smile)

　　哈哈，美国空军现在有东西可以练习射击了。（鄙视此人中！）

　　楼主（barba007）：The only thing that worries me about the J-10 is that China is capable of producing and astronomical amount of Aircraft. They were building MiGs and Sus for a long time in China and have the know how, man power and expertise to make allot of planes.

　　Maybe not 5 generation like they presume though they might be going on the analogy that Quantity not Quality!

　　Do not underestemate your opponent!

　　唯一让我担心的是中国已经具备大规模生产战机的能力了。他们从米格和苏式机中领悟了许多，能专门制造飞机的配件了。

　　也许5代像他们假设的战术一样：以量取胜！

　　不要低估任何一个对手！！（喜欢谦虚的人，但其对我们危险性更大。。）

　　某乙再跟帖（MT69）：If one thing has come to light with warfare in this day and age, it is mass no longer dominates the battlefiled.

　　China could build 10,000 J-10\'s, it\'s just a question of how many missiles the US has, to shoot them down.

　　As mentioned in a previous post, the weapons of the new fighters are probably more important than the fighter itself. Just look at the US AMRAAM missile, it has over a 90% kill probability from 50km。

　　现代战争中有一件事可以肯定，那就是以数量优势来统治战争的现象已不复存在。中国可以生产一万架歼-10，但这关系美国，只是要用多少导弹把他们打下来的问题。

　　在之前的帖子中已说过，战机所携带的武器可能比战机本身更重要，随便看看美国AMRAAM导弹，它在50KM内就有超过90%的命中率。（挺吓人的。。再鄙视下此人）

　　楼主 （barba007）：Listen guys, the point is not that the F-22 is beter than the J-10. We all know it is. The point is that if China start Mass Producing these J-10 like Bob88 said were in big [email=s#@t]s#@t[/email]!!!!!

　　I don\'t care how good of a pilot you are. If you have

　　10-1 ratio, your in trouble! any which way you look at it!

　　Also, I realy think China is capable of producing these Aircraft on a large scale.

　　They have to replace their large fleet of J-7 and other variants(eg. J-6,J-8,J-9 etc).

　　They have approx. 500 J-7(Don\'t quote me).

　　F-22 Raptors cost US $99.7 Million each to make. In comparison the JSF will cost approx. US $30 Million.

　　听着，老兄，问题不是关于F22与J-10的性能比较，这大家都知道，问题是中国如果大规模生产歼-10的话，不管你飞行技术如何了得，假如是10对1，你就死定了！另外，我真的相信中国有能力进行大规模制造，他们必须替换掉大量老J-7，8，9等。大概有500架J-7吧（相信他是乱猜的吧）。F-22猛禽每架得花费9.97千万美圆（妈妈咪，真贵！），相比之下，JSF 只花费大概3千万美圆。（歼-10要花多少美圆，请教高人？）

　　某乙接着回帖（MT69）：Uh...the US Air Force has always gone up against greater numbers vs China and Russia. This isn\'t a shocker to us.

　　By the way, the F-22 is supposed to be hard to find for our enemies....thus a few F-22s can easily sneak up on numerous Chinese planes and shoot them down. That\'s the whole point with the F-22....a few of them can take down plenty of enemy planes due to the best technology in the world.

　　You act as if the Chinese are going to fight us in an dogfight like you see in the movie Top Gun. Sorry, but the Chinese will never see the F-22 that shoots them down. This isn\'t hollywood....

　　恩...美国跟中国以及俄罗斯相比，一直有数量上的优势，这点不用担心。

　　顺便提下，F-22设计初衷是让敌方难以寻觅...因此，几架F-22可以轻易凌驾于大量的中国战机之上，并且把他们射下来，那就是F-22的精华之处，基于全世界最先进的技术，几架F-22可以把数量众多的敌机击落。（开始喜欢这人的心态，盲目自大）。

　　楼主你是想象中国和美国的战机会处于混战状态，就像电影TOP GUN（没看过！），那么对不起，中国人永远不会看见F-22什么时候把他们打下来，这不是好赖屋....

　　某丙（Bob88）：barba007, indeed! Very worrisome!

　　My fear is mass production. If they start turning their toy factories in to jet factories they will be able to make a crazy amount of these things.

　　楼主，确实！让人担心！

　　可怕的大规模生产。假如他们把玩具厂都改为飞机厂，他们就能疯狂造飞机了（哈哈，笨的可以，还真以为我们是邪恶的轴心....无语）

　　某乙再接着回帖（MT69）：The Chinese Air Force\'s problem is their reliance on C2 from ground forces through radar. If they lose their C2 with the ground forces, then their pilots are flying blind.

　　so, the basic training of their pilots will make it a turkey shoot for our pilots. There\'s only a handful of Air Forces out there that train their pilots near the level of our Air Force and China isn\'t on that list.

　　中国空军的问题是过于对地面部队雷达的依赖，即对C2的依赖（C2是啥？？）。假如他们失去C2，到时就会像盲头苍蝇了。（我该补补军事了...）

　　另外，他们飞行训练将会导致他们成为我们飞行员的活靶子。外界只有少数国家的训练水平接近我们空军，但是中国不在名单上。（最后鄙视一下...）