影云2007-11-10 21:05:48回复悄悄话
good, my mind is active now:)
what i say neither right nor wrong, is about our viewing/interpreting, but there must be some truth in great art work itself . . .otherwise, they will not be great! i have to say, the world is full of mediocre and imitation . . . “we” view through the being viewed, “we” appreciate through being said . . . “we” need the “physical existence” of being appreciated!
actually, now, "cave paintings" and "ritual potteries" become part of inspiration of OUR TIME! so, they have been carried on . . but, i have to say, inspiration is great, but somehow, not as pure as the first people did . .. because it also framed the mind (a deep struggle too!) . . . yes, what's lost in our age, or any age, is the beginner's mind . . .! that's where the gracefulness comes . . .
~&~2007-11-10 20:47:45回复悄悄话
Truth is too big a topic........
Truth in ART can only be shown ....not told outside the canvas, for example.....
What are we talking about?? :))
To go along with your statements, Who are making the "cave paintings" today? Or the ritual potteries??
by 'Today', i mean our time ......
when i say "knowing nothing", i mean someone's mind is pure and not poluted..... :)) sorry for not be clear ....
影云2007-11-10 20:43:34回复悄悄话
acutally, i enjoy this kind of deep, personal, and honest discussion . . .thanks!
影云2007-11-10 20:41:47回复悄悄话
cheers!:) sound i am intoxicated by the Tango
影云2007-11-10 20:41:15回复悄悄话
nothing right or wrong, but there must be something TRUE . . .
影云2007-11-10 20:39:48回复悄悄话
e.g. a person can know nothing about technique/skill, but he/she can make graceful pottery . . . but how can you say that there is nothing in his/her mind when he/she do it . . .it is a calling from somewhere unknown . . . we can see from the pottery for rituals , or cave drawings. . . and etc . . . that's what i mean, Infinite . . . we don't know, then, we say it's unknown. . .
~&~2007-11-10 20:37:14回复悄悄话
no one is right or wrong when it comes to viewing ART ....
but yeah, there are ways to use words when one has different perceptions........
cheers
影云2007-11-10 20:34:13回复悄悄话
you may be right . . . but actually, what he said is enlightening to me too, somehow, when i look into a painting and understand what i lack though drawing/painting . . . so, depends on how a person read it . . . it can be a word game, but, the most important is what we can get out it . . .:)
same to the meaning embedded in "SELF" . . . :)
~&~2007-11-10 20:28:34回复悄悄话
"infinite" is not the word i would choose to describe "Self".....that leads to nowhere in we are
concerned with gracefulness.....
because gracefulness does not come from anyone who knows something is infinite .....
gracefulness can also come from knowing nothing :)
影云2007-11-10 20:12:06回复悄悄话
actually, "through" should be "into" . . .
影云2007-11-10 20:08:27回复悄悄话
isn't SELF infinite? :) though the translation can be logically wrong :)
~&~2007-11-10 20:05:04回复悄悄话
"when perception has passed through something infinite, gracefulness appears." . . .
this sounds a little too abstract to apply to making a piece of art ..... because it is not very logical .....
IF there is something infinite, how can one "pass thru" IT?
:)
many people have not "passed thru" themselves, and that might be the reason we humans need ART to get started.....
:))
影云2007-11-10 19:43:26回复悄悄话
i have no idea about this artist . . . actually, Great art works are always gender-free. . . just like Kleist said "when perception has passed through something infinite, gracefulness appears." . . . so, if there is ability to express whatever you can really "SEE" , that's lucky enough . . .of course, still back to the question, how deeper can you seen? . . .
and , to me, art is a result of "DOING" & "NON-DOING" . . . :)
作舟2007-11-10 16:42:03回复悄悄话
i am not really familiar with M.L.K. or her art.....sounds like you have done some research [?].....
we have no business talking about anyone's "生命最本质的东西" based on the production of some paintings or writings ...... more serious research is needed if one want to talk about that in others ......
~&~2007-11-09 20:07:08回复悄悄话
yes, anyone who is serious about making ART should ask oneself, at certain stage, What is Art?
otherwise, no one would take that stuff seriously.....
abstract art depends a lot on composition .... certain people have better intuitive aesthetical mapping skills....
影云2007-11-09 15:56:58回复悄悄话
compared to Pollock's pouring paint, i am more in love with Rothko . . . it's a deep calling . . .
students in the advanced classes of my teacher demonstrated techniques for making this type of art work . . .i was speechless (from disappointment . . and doubted about Art!) . . . though i have to admit that the accidental result can be great sometimes . . .dynamic . . .
影云2007-11-09 15:34:59回复悄悄话
actually, this making process of this type of art made me think what is Art!
i think so too ....... it is interesting for this reason even though it is not the particular inspiring art i can spending time "thinking about"......
z.f.2007-11-08 23:20:47回复悄悄话
现在到处都是抽象,"mixed media on canvas" ...玩得这么好的着实少有...自由, 激情...最后一张很像一万五前年前的岩洞画的色彩, "漫长记忆"...他的情绪的"COMPOSITION"是天生的, 漂亮....喜欢...谢谢分享!!!
影云2007-11-08 21:33:39回复悄悄话
the original should be very powerful!!!
而且在很多艺术作品里能"看"到......
很多东西"诗歌─作为─沉默"里说得很清楚, 如果能说清楚一面，“对面”与延伸便好理解。。。
喜爱好的艺术文字于我是因为"共鸣"。。。"共鸣"着"生命最本质的"源"； "无限"(或过去,过去的过去。。。)。。。或单纯就是因为"漂亮"，因为"漂亮"有其理, 我不知道什么叫“GREAT ＡＲＴ”or "GREAT ＧＲＥＡＴ ＡＲＴ"。。。艺术作品的“灵魂”GENDER-FREE， 但细看每个艺术家的所有作品，确实就能看到GENDER的差异，这是不可否认的。。。
"by 'Today', i mean our time ......"
What makes us Human? What is ART? 或许是同一个问题。。。
what i say neither right nor wrong, is about our viewing/interpreting, but there must be some truth in great art work itself . . .otherwise, they will not be great! i have to say, the world is full of mediocre and imitation . . . “we” view through the being viewed, “we” appreciate through being said . . . “we” need the “physical existence” of being appreciated!
actually, now, "cave paintings" and "ritual potteries" become part of inspiration of OUR TIME! so, they have been carried on . . but, i have to say, inspiration is great, but somehow, not as pure as the first people did . .. because it also framed the mind (a deep struggle too!) . . . yes, what's lost in our age, or any age, is the beginner's mind . . .! that's where the gracefulness comes . . .
Truth in ART can only be shown ....not told outside the canvas, for example.....
What are we talking about?? :))
To go along with your statements, Who are making the "cave paintings" today? Or the ritual potteries??
by 'Today', i mean our time ......
when i say "knowing nothing", i mean someone's mind is pure and not poluted..... :)) sorry for not be clear ....
but yeah, there are ways to use words when one has different perceptions........
cheers
same to the meaning embedded in "SELF" . . . :)
concerned with gracefulness.....
because gracefulness does not come from anyone who knows something is infinite .....
gracefulness can also come from knowing nothing :)
this sounds a little too abstract to apply to making a piece of art ..... because it is not very logical .....
IF there is something infinite, how can one "pass thru" IT?
:)
many people have not "passed thru" themselves, and that might be the reason we humans need ART to get started.....
:))
and , to me, art is a result of "DOING" & "NON-DOING" . . . :)
we have no business talking about anyone's "生命最本质的东西" based on the production of some paintings or writings ...... more serious research is needed if one want to talk about that in others ......
but, i like zf's approac in understanding.....
thanks
otherwise, no one would take that stuff seriously.....
abstract art depends a lot on composition .... certain people have better intuitive aesthetical mapping skills....
students in the advanced classes of my teacher demonstrated techniques for making this type of art work . . .i was speechless (from disappointment . . and doubted about Art!) . . . though i have to admit that the accidental result can be great sometimes . . .dynamic . . .
i think so too ....... it is interesting for this reason even though it is not the particular inspiring art i can spending time "thinking about"......