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[i get to learn a little about Jung when i read his introduction on a newer version of I Ching, or Yi Jing. he seems to have something to say about the inexplicable phenonmenon in Chinese thoughts. he does not just dwell on the "mind," but heart. can wisdom come from the heart? well, maybe we'll never have all the satisfatory answers to everything.... Z.Z.] ******************************************* As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.... ******************************************* Where love rules, there is no will to power, and where power predominates, love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.... ******************************************* The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed.... ******************************************* The creation of something new is not accomplished by the intellect but by the play instinct acting from inner necessity. The creative mind plays with the objects it loves.... ******************************************* Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.... ******************************************* The least of things with a meaning is worth more in life than the greatest of things without it....
你提到的书很有趣，谢谢推荐！
由于＂灵＂是非肉体非物质世界的，所以它存在于我们的身体外。一个人死了，是肉体死了，灵还在。我不知如何用“科学”的方法来说得更明白。我也是慢慢才理会的。
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ＲＣ，
我在看一本书，叫ＴＨＥ ＳＥＡＴ ＯＦ ＴＨＥ ＳＯＵＬ，得到不少的启发和思考的途径。
我对心理学知知甚少，不敢乱讲。讲的都是自己的体会，如诗歌里写的。
我越发相信，“灵”是人类存在的根本，也就是“意义”所在！
“爱”来自“灵”， “灵”升华为包容万象的“魂”！
这些，都是“个人”的，不需要所谓的政体，政府，组织，权力等等的“人类文明机制”来左右的。
说到底，一个人的“心”与“灵”已经非常非常的powerful了，所以，当艺术使人意识到这种力量时，它的潜力是无限的！
知凡，
我同意你对“力比斗”的观点！
弗氏的心理学是有用的，但也是有限的。
人被欲望，如性，财，名等驱使是不用证明的。我们的老祖宗早就说了，“食，色，性也！”
我们感兴趣的是如何在心与灵间悟到一种“平衡”的，美好的，有人性的生命“哲学”。
至少，我是这样利用文字的。
谢谢诸位！
我在洗耳恭听！
：）
I think libido is definitely Not the Sole unconscious motivation of a person's thoughts and behaviors.
Thanks a lot.
Why today's psychiatry is so different from the Freud and Jung's days? I guess it has a lot to do with commecial interests. These days, practicing medicine is like doing business, doctors are like saleman. Big pharmapeutical companies are very powerful..:)
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Jung was Freud's favorate student, but later, Jung split from Freud because he didn't agree with Freud who regarded libido is the sole unconscious motivation of a person's thought and behaviors. Feeling ashame to say that I didn't read much of both Freud and Jung. If I have time, I will read Jung. I don't like old Freud much..:)))
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The field studing "soul" ia called parapsychology. Not much funding source..Standford University had an institution that had been studying this..
I agree with you that soul is independent of our existence..Wondering how did you figured this out??! I believed that the origin of "soul" is like an ocean. The soul reside in us is like a drop of water, after we die, the drop of water will return to the ocean. A drop of water can communicate with the ocean because fundmentally we are part of the the Ocean!
xixi...Only my lousy personal opinion.:))
Your “soul has always been there long before we were born!!!! “is interesting too : ) Somehow, it still reminds me of the book I mentioned earlier. in the book, soul is said to be attached to us when we are born and leave us when we die; like light. I guess that’s why we say the light of life. The attaching and detaching of soul makes a body more than a body. For example, some people born with certain talents, sometimes we say, DNA makes difference, but sometimes ordinary parents still can have prodigy.
I remember in that book, once soul asked the Master of soul, what’s the purpose for incarnation? Master says, ‘experience life for perfection”.
When I say soul physically exists, I mean, “soul” can be measured through scientific means, for example, people who pass away always lose certain once of weight. Intangible but exists ; ) - - - but I doubt if the lost weight is that of Soul. : )
I am neither a psychologist nor a scientist. When I think of soul, it’s the restless force in us that pushes us in search for the meaning of life. That’s why I say art, music, literature, and etc, are by-products from the journey of searching : )
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"mind" and "soul" are two different "things," i believe....SOUL has always been THERE long before we were born!!!!
mind is a "by-product," so to speak.....mind is more like plastic which can be streched, compressed, surpressed, or killed.....
in poetry, i think we are try to "free the mind" so that IT can get a few inches closer to the real soul.....
[鼓掌!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
very enjoy reading your posts!!!!
thought provoking!!!!
i am not sure what the comtemporary psychologists are up to these days, but when i read Jung, he strikes me not only as a psychologist, but also a philosopher who combines both eastern and western ideas and knowledge into his own understanding of human life/mind, etc....
when we talk/think aloud about the "soul," we are talk about the non-physical worlds where a few "scientists" have left their foot-prints :)
"mind" and "soul" are two different "things," i believe....SOUL has always been THERE long before we were born!!!!
mind is a "by-product," so to speak.....mind is more like plastic which can be streched, compressed, surpressed, or killed.....
in poetry, i think we are try to "free the mind" so that IT can get a few inches closer to the real soul.....
thanx again and look forward to hearing more from all you intelligent bloggers and idea lovers!!!
have a great long weekend!!!!!!!
cheers!!!!!
I always think dream is another reality - - - inner reality (in Jung’s words, if I remember it well). It has healing power like mystery, since it’s freely flowing, bringing the hidden feelings or thoughts about the physical reality. I guess that surrealism in writing or painting is sort of based on that - - - freedom of mind. To me, words same as art, or even drawings in those prehistoric caves, embody meanings which we can call thoughts.
Where does the Soul reside then? : ) one of interesting books I read a while ago is Many Life, Many Masters by a psychiatrist. He can help a patient to see his/her history of incarnation through hypnosis. When a person dies, his soul/spirit leaves him/her to somewhere where Master of soul resides for another call for rebirth. - - - I doubt it, but I do believe soul is not a spiritual invention, but physically exists which grows too
我思故我在. When I don’t think, I still physically exist in other’s eyes. Hard to answer each question, I’d like to read more and share with both of you later : )
I love this kind of chatting, which proves我思故我在. Haha …
"thoughts"; Thoughts are influenced by feelings; "dream" is a organized or disorganized mixture of feelings and thoughts; "word" is a materialized limited expression of thoughts and feelings..:)
I don't know when a thought is not a reality, I don't know when a word doesn't carry the meanings, I don't know when a dream can't reflect a truth.I don't know when one transcends his thoughts, words and dreams, is he/she still exist in reality? ..:)
"我思故我在", right?
Are you both looking into psychology? Carl Jung and Eric Fromm....Hmm.:))
Brain might be the organ that produce "mind", but I don't believe it is where our "soul" reside. "The Heart's Code" is an interesting book to read. It talks about what was found in heart transplant patients..
I would say that we are inherited with questions about our existence, such as who we are, what we are, and what the purpose of life is, and etc. No prefect answers for them, but we are led into a journey of soul-searching, which on the other hand has piled up a rich heritage of culture, art, literature, philosophy, psychology, science, and etc, on the riverbed of time… we are in a circle, but expanding it as we search and know more ….
Your Bleeding Iris touches me with its genuine emotions and feeling and also its wisdom about love and life, which I will say is a “see-through” or “see-beyond” and reminds me of Eric Fromm. He says in his Art of Being, that “we has concluded that the full humanization of man requires the breakthrough from the possession-centered to the activity-centered orientation, from selfishness and egotism to solidarity and altruism”
is a "thought" "reality"???
is "reality" the leftover of a "dream"????
is a "dream" a heart's trespassing into another?????
One interesting thing I find in myself is that I start to love the word, “landscape”, which even brings something from invisible to tangible.:)
people might do that at those Poetry Slam(s)....:))
!poetry is the aesthetics of the inner beauty....in you, in her, in him, in IT!!
poetry should not be "shoe polishing," in my humble opinion, but a knife that cuts through the dumb skin of the daily hustling and bustling....
"zen" seems to be the "product" after 1000s' of yrs of practicing and human beefitting from it.....
western approaches to human mind is theoratically insightful and medically helpful, emotionally manageble.....
here, poetry can fill some of the empty space between layers of human un/consciouness.....
interesting stuff!!!!
非常喜欢他，感觉他是一个在梦里展开另一种人生/接近自己 - - -的人。
他曾说过，人应当透过文字的表面去看里面的东西，潜意识最终与ZEN是一种字面上
的不同！