I did not know much about him until now reading, joggle down some naggets of interest:
"Growing up, Nolan was particularly influenced by the work ofRidley Scottand the science fiction films2001: A Space Odyssey(1968) andStar Wars(1977).[4][5]He would repeatedly watch the latter film and extensively research its making.[6]Nolan began making films at the age of seven, borrowing his father'sSuper8 cameraand shooting short films with his action figures.[7]These films included astop motion animationhomage toStar WarscalledSpace Wars. He cast his brother Jonathan and built sets from "clay, flour, egg boxes and toilet rolls".[4]His uncle, who had worked atNASAbuilding guidance systems for theApollorockets, sent him some launch footage: "I re-filmed them off the screen and cut them in, thinking no-one would notice", Nolan later remarked.[8]From the age of 11, he aspired to be a professional filmmaker.[9]Between 1981 and 1983, Nolan enrolled at Barrow Hills, a Catholic prep school inWeybridge, Surrey.[10]In his teenage years, Nolan started making films with Adrien andRoko Belic. Nolan and Roko co-directed thesurreal8mmTarantella(1989), which was shown onImage Union, an independent film and video showcase on thePublic Broadcasting Service.[a][12][13]
Christopher Edward Nolan CBE (born 30 July 1970) is a British and American filmmaker. Known for his Hollywood blockbusters with complex storytelling, Nolan is considered a leading filmmaker of the 21st century. His films have grossed $5 billion worldwide."
Nolan is married to Emma Thomas, whom he met at University College London when he was 19.[9][16] She has worked as a producer on all of his films since 1997.[43][170] The couple have four children and reside in Los Angeles.[171]
Rarely granting promotional interviews about his films, Nolan prefers to maintain a certain level of mystery about his work.[172] Refusing to discuss his personal life,[173] he feels that too much biographical information about a filmmaker detracts from the experience of his audiences. "I actually don't want people to have me in mind at all when they're watching the films."[172]
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The ‘Oppenheimer’ Cast on Filming the Trinity Test, Immersing Themselves in Their Characters, & More
Smart angle of matt damon, despite being on the film itself, looked more excited than us, he was so happy and enthusiastic to explain the movie/experience from a spectator (a viewer). 7:24 - 10:34 Matt Damons response was so articulate and insightful he kept my interest for 3 minutes straight
my conviction was I did not recognize Robert Downey Jr. in the movie as he has been a hero figure in my mind, being a vallain here.
Emily Blunt acted as "Kitty" - at 29 YO, got 4 husbands! 23:15 It's really not cliche to say: behind every strong man is a stronger woman. This movie, the Oppenheimer husband and wife dynamic, defines that figure of speech perfectly.
I fully agreed on "@therunner8733. 1 month ago (edited). It’s one of those rare films. You walk away and your head is absolutely spinning. I genuinely had a headache after watching it (don’t let that put you off though). It just had so much weight, so much suspense, and so many fantastic performances. It’s such an important film. It’s about accountability, ethics, brilliance, genius, innovation, infidelity, marriage, opening a door you can’t close, and about being the hero one day, and the villain the next. Completely fair to argue that he was both. You can’t deal in absolutes here. There’s a lot of grey. Masterpiece"
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A real class act by the interviewer Jacqueline Coley. She knew the relevant details about the movie as well as Oppenheimer's life and posed topical, meaningful, and intelligent questions that kept everyone interested, all while switching effortlessly from one person to another. Overall, she struck a fine balance giving everyone their moment in the sun, without letting anyone overpower or dominate the conversation. Those are some of the smartest people in the room and to hold their own against them in something they've worked on is phenomenal. Quality stuff!"
0:48: Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss.3:54: The cast discusses their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the depth of their characters in the film.8:01: The actors discuss their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the importance of the film's story.12:06: The director and actors discuss the process of making the film and the use of IMAX format.16:53: The format of storytelling in cinema is a powerful tool for capturing the complexity and humanity of characters and exploring ethical dilemmas.19:52: The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance.23:31: The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction.27:50: The director hopes the film leaves the audience with resonances, interesting questions, and emotional sensations.Recap by Tammy AI
*** My thoughts came upon the movie:
thinking is hard, so most people just follow.
‘Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge’
This famous second quote from Carl Jung (which has been queried as whether entirely accurate) is simple - Clearly, others affect our behavior.
One reason for this is that we live in a complex world. We use the decisions of others as a heuristic, or mental shortcut, to navigate our lives. [顯然，其他人會影響我們的行為。 原因之一是我們生活在一個複雜的世界。 我們利用他人的決定作為啟發式或心理捷徑來引導我們的生活。]
One thought came to me at night is below:
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Resources: the top 10 quotes and why?
The driver, the central theme:
#1--"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
J. Robert Oppenheimer
[Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer]
Taken from the Hindu sacred text the Bhagavad Gita, this infamous quote has been closely connected to the real-life Oppenheimer. Originally, he stated these words 20 years after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings on an NBC News documentary entitled The Decision to Drop the Bomb.
In the film, it is spoken twice: once in a sex scene with Jean Tatlock and later in the breathless wake of the Trinity test. The quote bookends Oppenheimer’s journey, showing the transition from his idyllic intellectual desires to his confrontation with the lived truth behind the words.
[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyfyotBPioOppenheimer And Jean Tatlock Relationship Explained By Christopher Nolan: the importance of the sex scene in Oppenheimer, the first one ever to be featured in one of his films.
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There's a moment in Oppenheimer where they write out the expected yield of the bombers being thousands to millions of tons and Oppenheimer literally says I'm not saying that... How about kilotons. I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!! You're a dilettante, a womanizer, unstable, theatrical, neurotic. Omg he's literally me. I did not think the sex scene was weird even though apparently everyone else does and I'm now questioning various things.
The actual atomic bomb scene was some other worldly horror that literally froze the entire audience The guy who invented the concept of an ICBM is portrayed as like a real psycho and creep, which I don't know if it's true, but it's kind of hilarious. He talks about watching v2's land on the city he was hiding out in and describes how he'd dreamed of putting an atomic bomb on top of one of those missiles.
Also, when you add in the neurosis the womanizing, the sort of underlying uncertainty over whether he's a horrendous criminal with a guilt complex or a good and noble man and the cool Cillian Murphy behavior. I think we've just got another literally me that people will be making YouTube edits of for years. That's gonna be weird.
#2--"Why won't you fight?"
Katherine "Kitty" Oppenheimer
[Emily Blunt and Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer]
Image via Universal Studios
Emily Blunt’s Kitty Oppenheimer is the underlying heartbeat of the film. A woman struggling to stand idly by as history consumes her, she repeats this line to her husband throughout, challenging him to write his own record of history.
The answer to the posed question holds clarity to Oppenheimer’s character, especially his moral attitudes following the Trinity test. He is a shell of a man, as seen in the horrifying gymnasium speech, and finding the courage to object to history as it’s being written is at the very core of this quote.
#3--"I believe we did."
J. Robert Oppenheimer
[Cillian Murphy in Oppenheimer.]
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The shattering final words of Christopher Nolan’s screenplay find Oppenheimer admitting to Albert Einstein (Tom Conti) that he views his actions as changing the world for the worse. His act of discovery led humanity down a dark path with no escape.
Reserved yet wholly impactful, the entire film approaches this moment when Oppenheimer finally admits the danger in his creation. As he looks at the ripples in the rain, he begins to understand the reality ahead of him, both in his lifetime and in history’s memory. A stunning quote that captures Oppenheimer’s central tenets with power, poise, and prestige.
#5--"Hiroshima isn't about you."
President Harry S. Truman
[Cillian Murphy as J. Robert Oppenheimer in 'Oppenheimer' ]
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One of the more devastating lines from the film, after the bombings in Japan, has branded Oppenheimer “The Father of the Atomic Bomb,” he goes to visit President Truman (Gary Oldman). When he tells the 33rd President he has “blood on his hands,” Truman stiffly responds with this callous quote.
What’s so ugly about this exchange, ending with another distressing line when Truman interjects “Don’t let the crybaby back in here,” is that nobody, not even the President, truly understood the weight of what Oppenheimer had to endure – and, more importantly, the weight of what they have all done.
#7--"Is anyone ever going to tell the truth?"
J. Robert Oppenheimer
[Jason Clarke in Oppenheimer]
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As William Borden reads his inaccurate and inflammatory attack letter at the behest of the Gray Board and Roger Robb (Jason Clarke), Oppenheimer quietly utters this line to his attorney.
RELATED:The Best Cillian Murphy Movies, Ranked According To Rotten Tomatoes
The startling realization that dawns on Oppenheimer during his private trial that ultimately took away his security clearance is their ambivalence to the truth. It’s an example of when he recognizes his own naïveté and is shaken by the perils of the new world he finds himself in.
#8. "Power stays in the shadows."
Lewis Strauss
Lewis Strauss instantly became an iconic villain standing beside Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher) in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest and Noah Cross (John Huston) in Chinatown. Robert Downey Jr.'s assured performance crafted a believable opportunist, horrific for how common his breed of politician is to this day.
This quote may as well be Strauss’ thesis, which is fitting given the black-and-white visual identity his scenes have. It’s a cold line that represents his objective and ultimately explains his downfall when he tries to emerge from the shadows unscathed after his manipulative actions against Oppenheimer.
Lewis StraussSpoken by Lewis Strauss (Robert Downey Jr.) during his duplicitous meeting with William Borden (David Dastmalcian) when planning their attack letter on Oppenheimer, this quote embodies Strauss’ personal justification for tearing down Oppenheimer’s social stature and solidifies him as an unforgettable villain from the movie.
It’s a line that epitomizes Strauss’ professional pursuits. Later, he states the line again when he realizes his chance at becoming Commerce Secretary is unlikely after Dr. David Hill’s (Rami Malek) congressional appearance. Much like how “I am become Death” is the bookend for Oppenheimer’s growth, this line is the same for Strauss.
#4--"You don't get to commit sin, and then ask all of us to feel sorry for you when there are consequences."
Katherine "Kitty" Oppenheimer
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After the news of Jean Tatlock’s (Florence Pugh) suspected suicide riddles Oppenheimer with pain and heartbreak, Kitty (Emily Blunt) shakes him out of his stupor with this quote. She lets go of her restraint and for a brief moment shares her authentic self, a rare chance for her.
RELATED:The Most Emotional Movie Quotes, According To Reddit
Nolan was unafraid to depict the horrors of this story with the ambiguity it clearly deserves. In his moment of suffering, Nolan doesn’t let Oppenheimer off easy. Kitty maintains a dignity because of this line that most filmmakers would pass up for a more traditional husband-wife dynamic.
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Oppenheimer Cillian Murphy interview Ahead of the release of one of the biggest movies of the summer, Oppenheimer, Simon Harkness from IGV Presents sat down with Cillian Murphy and Florence Pugh! Cillian Murphy told us that Oppenheimer was the most challenging role of his career, and how Christopher Nolan helped guide him through the movie. Florence Pugh told us who her biggest mentor in her career has been and how she chooses her roles. And Cillian and Florence both cringe as they share their favourite thing about each other ???? Plus we find out that Cillian and Florence would love to meet John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix! Make sure you check out our previous interview with Florence Pugh below: • Florence Pugh LOSES HER MIND In Our H... Thanks for watching our Oppenheimer interview with Cillian Murphy and Florence Pugh, and don't forget to subscribe to IGV Presents!
0:48: Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss.3:54: The cast discusses their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the depth of their characters in the film.8:01: The actors discuss their experience working with Christopher Nolan and the importance of the film's story.12:06: The director and actors discuss the process of making the film and the use of IMAX format.16:53: The format of storytelling in cinema is a powerful tool for capturing the complexity and humanity of characters and exploring ethical dilemmas.19:52: The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance.23:31: The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction.27:50: The director hopes the film leaves the audience with resonances, interesting questions, and emotional sensations.Recap by Tammy AI
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Cillian[KEE-li:ann] Murphy: Life Of The Ideal Baddie | Full Biography (Oppenheimer, Peaky Blinders, Inception) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgIVZf_e7wE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEqYWwPwdT8 Christopher Nolan talks with Robert Downey Jr on making movies, hobby, faith. My read was you have to promote your own movie even though it is a great movie. Salesmanship came in many forms. 《奧本海默》小勞勃道尼、克里斯多福諾蘭回答熱搜問題超歡樂！諾蘭親解如何不靠特效拍出原子彈試爆｜鄉民大哉問｜GQ Taiwan
SAG-AFTRA members are currently on strike; as part of the strike, union actors are not promoting their film and TV projects. This video was conducted prior to the strike.
THE DECISION TO BOMB HIROSHIMA
By Gar Alperovitz|August 8, 2011
Today is the 66th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. Though most Americans are unaware of the fact, increasing numbers of historians now recognize the United States did not need to use the atomic bomb to end the war against Japan in 1945. Moreover, this essential judgment was expressed by the vast majority of top American military leaders in all three services in the years after the war ended: Army, Navy and Army Air Force. Nor was this the judgment of “liberals,” as is sometimes thought today. In fact, leading conservatives were far more outspoken in challenging the decision as unjustified and immoral than American liberals in the years following World War II.
The Atomic Bombings of Japan Were Based on Lies
BY TAYLOR C. NOAKES
The Opening Act of the Cold War. The Atomic Bombs as a Demonstration of Power
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mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam,
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回答: 哦哦，你能把诺兰说的和我说的相提并论我受宠若惊。可能证明你本人并不是一个趋炎附势之人，只就事论事。 由 大兔子张三 于 2023-09-04 17:58:28
say the truth. stay truth. be the truth.
What is the famous quote all roads lead to Rome?
Some say the proverb all roads lead to Rome may be derived from a phrase coined by French poet Alain de Lille in the Middle Ages in 1175: “mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam,” which means “a thousand roads lead a man forever toward Rome.”
All paths or activities lead to the center of things. This was literally true in the days of the Roman Empire, when all the empire's roads radiated out from the capital city, Rome.
What does all roads lead to Rome mean?
The figurative expression, All roads lead to Rome, means that all choices, methods, or actions eventually lead to the same result. In ancient Roman times, this statement had a more literal meaning. The Roman Empire had an advanced system of roads, and all major roads led directly to the capital.
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good interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vU
奧本海默「死後42年還被懷疑」是間諜！諾蘭電影《奧本海默》事件時間整理
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#奧本海默 #oppenheimer #movies 諾蘭表示現在討論結尾有點太早 2022年美國才正式承認不公平 核融合發電能產生400萬倍能量 奧本海默這部電影主要看到他的人生從熱愛物理，到帶量子學回到美國，開始負責 「曼哈頓計劃」的洛斯阿拉莫斯國家實驗室研發出的原子彈轟炸日本後，他開始掙扎，後來他的安全許可被撤銷，還被質疑有叛國罪，最後又獲得勳章...*** My thoughts came upon the movie:
thinking is hard, so most people just follow.
‘Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge’
This famous second quote from Carl Jung (which has been queried as whether entirely accurate) is simple - Clearly, others affect our behavior.
One reason for this is that we live in a complex world. We use the decisions of others as a heuristic, or mental shortcut, to navigate our lives. [顯然，其他人會影響我們的行為。 原因之一是我們生活在一個複雜的世界。 我們利用他人的決定作為啟發式或心理捷徑來引導我們的生活。]
One thought came to me at night is below said well: "我們都活在歐本海默的世界裡，一個由核彈來維持著恐怖平衡的世界裡…"
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感謝JON用非常白話的方式和時間線來整理解釋劇情，不然以諾蘭很喜歡用不同時空背景或不同視角交錯的敘事方式我每次都看得很吃力(敦克爾克也是) 我在另一位影評那邊看到他說，最後聽證會上不支持奧本海默的泰勒或許就是因為奧本海默的言行一直看起來都是矛盾的，包括看起來是民主愛國的美國人卻認同共產理念、婚姻中的背叛、原子彈試爆成功發表感言卻又對原子彈帶來的傷害感到愧疚、參與氫彈設計和研究卻又公開反對製造氫彈...這些矛盾的行為造成泰勒的不信任，我覺得這也是滿合理的解釋方式。無論如何很喜歡你的解析，還有最後的科普也很棒，用非常好懂得比喻讓人很好理解和消化，第一次看這個頻道已訂閱起來，希望之後還有更多理科小教室或是討論的影片，感謝
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看了您的解说，好开心哟！因为终于有人愿意花时间去用线性的方式来把被诺兰穿插拍摄方式所引起的视觉混乱给一次过理清了！而且是十分彻底的理清呢！ [] [] [] 谢谢您用了许多宝贵的时间与精神来用心地制作这个视频！我们大家都受益了！ [] [] []
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Both movies released in July 2023: Tom Cruise film doubled its grossed value over its budget, but not
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Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One
PG-13 2023 ? Action/Adventure ? 2h 43m
Release date: July 10, 2023 (USA)
Director: Christopher McQuarrie
Budget: 291 million USD
Distributed by: Paramount Pictures
Based on: Mission: Impossible; by Bruce Geller
Box office: $560.2 million
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Oppenheimer (film) - Wikipedia
The film grossed over $853 million worldwide
Release date: July 21, 2023 (USA)
Director: Christopher Nolan
Music composed by: Ludwig G?ransson
Budget: 100 million USD
Distributed by: Universal Pictures
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演译心中的江湖争锋: 1）利己主義的政治家開始聲稱他們的權力利用了影響力的AB連鎖反應； 2）科學家承擔著普通人的利益：原子能的利用。 3）政客們相互碰撞，使科學家的不同觀點陷入困境，很可能成為一種工具，被利用和拋棄。 4）如何平衡科學與政治的開放性與封閉性（國家安全與人類全球利益）？[1) Politicians of egoistics came to claim their power leveraged the AB chain reactions of influences; 2) Scientists beard the benefits of ordinary people: atomic energy uses. 3) Politicians collided and ground scientists in their different perspectives, more likely than not, a tool, being used and dumped. 4) How to balance the openness and closed-ness of science and politics (national security vs. worldwide benefits of humankind)?]
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“The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. ”
― J. Robert Oppenheimer
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I am quite sure that people fall into the 2 groups alluded to but I don't think optimist is the best word to describe someone in group 1, and I don't think pessimist is the best word to describe someone in group 2. I think perhaps willfully stupid people and sadly wise people are better names.
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?@soilmanted Congrats, you just ruined a great quote told by one of the greatest physicists in the history of the world
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? @soilmanted literally the same thing with extra steps, and dumbed down to kindergarten phrasing.
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@GreenmiIe Yes, indeed, I retained the same verb in each of Dr Oppenheimer's 2 sentences, and retained the same object in each. All I did was change the subject. Instead of optimist I said willfully stupid people. Instead of pessimist I said sadly wise people. I felt no need to use the article the in each sentence. So I removed the 2 article words. But I did not add any extra "steps" Rather, I added one adverb and one adjective to each sentence. Those are not steps. Those are noun-modifiers. They do not describe actions; they describe things. So because I removed 2 words and added 4, the whole paragraph became just 2 words longer. And I think the term willfully stupid people is better at describing what kind of person thinks "this" is the best of all possible worlds than the word "optimist" does. Why? because "the best of all possible worlds" refers to the world we have at the time of Dr O's comment, refers to the world of Dr O's "now." An optimist is someone who is thinking about the future, as opposed to someone who is thinking about a "now." .So it's the wrong word. Sadly wise pessimist is a better subject for sentence number 2 than pessimist. Again a pessimist is thinking about the future. A sadly wise person is someone thinking about the present, the "now." I say "now" because Dr O is referring to how someone thinks about "this world" – he uses the term "this world," not some future world, but this world.
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@GreenmiIe Mark Twain said, never use a big word if a small word will do. It is not "dumbing down" to use a word that is more widely understood, and more readily comprehensible. It is clearer speaking, it is better writing. It is less pretentious..
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@soilmanted yk what, I was wrong and I willfully admit that I was ignorant. Sorry to disrespect earlier and I realize you have a good point.
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As I experience it..
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@soilmanted oh dear... I am afraid everyone will put me in the stupid section, however....I hope.........to belong in the second section (against all odds).
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@annemaria5126 I like to do what I can choose my own group, myself, and to avoid being placed in any group, by anyone else.
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Oppenheimer was a complex man. Truly a beautiful and tragic story and person. One of the most important people in history.
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The quality and effort put into this video is truly commendable. I was captivated from start to finish by your engaging storytelling and nice visuals. The depth of research and attention to detail shine through, making it an informative and enjoyable experience. Congratulations on this beautiful video! Keep making these even though the like/view metrics may not be as high as expected, competition on YouTube is brutal but hopefully quality will win over quantity in the end!Why America Betrayed Oppenheimer
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Oppenheimer is widely regarded as the father of the atomic bomb, but he didn’t do it alone. Scores of scientists were exiled from Germany, as anti-Jewish laws proliferated. America welcomed many of them, and this openness gave the country the tools it needed to win the race for the bomb.
Unfortunately, though, it wouldn’t be long after victory in WWII that America set its sights on a new enemy: communism. Despite their enormous service to the country, many scientists were swept up in the anti-communist crusade and betrayed…including Oppenheimer.
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Tatlock was portrayed by Kate Harper in the 1980 TV miniseries Oppenheimer,[55] Natasha Richardson in the 1989 film Fat Man and Little Boy,[56], Fiona Dourif in the 2014 series Manhattan, and Florence Pugh in the 2023 biopic film Oppenheimer by Christopher Nolan.[57][58]
Christopher Nolan discusses the inception of the film and the casting process, while Robert Downey Jr. talks about his role as Strauss. 3:54: 
The actor discusses the complexity of his character and the impact of editing on the final performance. 23:31: 
The relationship between Oppenheimer and the woman quickest to call him out on his BS, her loyalty and fight for him, and the impact of her directness and conviction. 27:50: 
@user-kg7gi8jr4z
1 month ago
我6歲時，曾經聽過 我母親 說過 一套，非常 有大智慧 的 言論 ～
她不希望 生出 任何領域類型 的 天才，因為 天才 承載著 太多其他人 原本 該負 的 人生責任，等於 這些天才 替別人 扛下 其他人 原本就 該負的責任，說到底 對天才 本身 沒什麼 實質好處（是天才旁邊的人 或 既得利益者，可以 從中 獲得好處，對天才 本身 只是 拖累而已 ～ ）
她也不希望 生出 白痴，因為 白痴本身 社會生存 能力不足，會看著 孩子 過的辛苦，父母 也會 被拖累 難過 ～
有時看著這類的事情，只覺得，大智慧 蠻重要的 ～ 比天不天才，更重要 ～
假設 當然 這只是 假設，全球所有國家內 都有天才 成功研發出， 大規模 傷害性 新技術。
弄不好 全世界的人 都得陪葬，我相信 人類 應該 還沒活到 這麼蠢的境地 ～沒想過看解析影片也能感動到心
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@heishsteven5342
@heishsteven5342
1 month ago
他在電影中跟外人解釋自己的研究是甚麼的時候蠻有趣的
“這個嘛，我是在研究恆星死亡後會發生甚麼事”
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小玄儿の深夜聊碟
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@xiaoxuaner
@xiaoxuaner
1 month ago
是的是的，我觉得编剧是想把奥本海默被世人忽略的一些发现，特意放在电影中，非常用心。据说诺兰《星际穿越》的科学顾问，诺贝尔奖获得者基普·索恩，对奥本海默有着超高的评价，他说奥本海默其实在上个世纪30年代，就已经帮我们打开了21世纪物理学的大门。
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@xiaoxuaner
@xiaoxuaner
1 month ago
这里借你的评论，我再补充一下，电影中很多小细节都是神还原历史时刻。奥本海默和学生发表论文的那天，其实是物理学历史上非常重要的一天，也就是1939年9月1日；但是这一天也是希特勒的纳粹党进攻波兰的一天，人们的视线都转移到战争上了。奥本海默作为犹太人，也不例外。所以后来他埋头曼哈顿计划，觉得这颗炸弹可以结束战争，但是没想到，后来让人们一直活在冷战和地球毁灭的阴影下。
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@xiaoxuaner
@xiaoxuaner
1 month ago
最后两个我特别想跟大家分享的，是编剧在奥本海默性格上的细微刻画。一个是他的老毛病，总爱打断别人讲话。电影里的奥本海默，别人都没打断，偏偏打断了总统杜鲁门的讲话！一下子就刻画出来了。另外就是他作为老师，特别关心学生。电影里奥本海默给学生们发考卷（也许是论文）的时候，有特意安抚一个学生说，“你会没事的，不用担心。”。据现实中奥本海默的学生回忆，他虽然对同行非常不客气，但是对于学生，他总是关爱有加。如果学生选了能力之外的课题，他会非常委婉的说，你不适合这个。而面对能力强的学生，他也会提议对方该做什么课题。总之，他会根据每一位学生的能力，发挥他们的所长。相信这也是，他在曼哈顿计划中，能统领那么多科学家的原因吧。电影中他曾为旧情人的事情，发了一会儿呆，科学家们就吵成一锅粥，真的是需要一个，令所有人都折服的角色来领导和指挥。（不好意思，一下子又写了这么多，哈哈，电影信息量太大了，更多精彩桥段，大家补充吧）
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@tankltan5644
@tankltan5644
1 month ago
结局给我的震撼是 自私的政客只在乎自己 而伟大的科学家在乎的是全人类的命运
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@Yangtom19
@Yangtom19
1 month ago (edited)
奥本海默算是一个极富悲剧性的人物，在那个美国审查最严格的年代，奥本海默成了一个受迫害的对象。
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@annacheng8627
@annacheng8627
1 month ago (edited)
原來奧本海默的太太最後自殺了！整部劇最傷心的一幕是他太太對奧本海默說的那句話「你做這一切會讓你減輕自己的罪惡感嗎？」，這個角色的女演員真的演得很好，有希望得奧斯卡女配角。經過人物解析總算有點頭緒了。
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@willyhsu4485
@willyhsu4485
1 month ago
是女兒自殺
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@murriswonderland7408
@murriswonderland7408
3 weeks ago
自殺的是情婦
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@elizabethii3448
@elizabethii3448
5 days ago
@murriswonderland7408 情妇也是自杀的，那又是另外一个故事了。
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@user-pp8fx2iz2d
@user-pp8fx2iz2d
1 month ago (edited)
解說得很棒 對於背景不瞭解 少了很多觀影感受
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@user-ug5gi2zx3p
@user-ug5gi2zx3p
1 month ago
目前所有解說說最好的！
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小玄儿の深夜聊碟
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@GOD-sp2sx
@GOD-sp2sx
1 month ago
崇高之上 Above Majestic 這部紀錄片第一個出現的人物就是 奧本海默 本人 ，網路上可以免費看，如果你有看到電影中提到的年輕人甘迺迪，一定要看真相發生了什麼事，別懷疑是紀錄片。
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@fangxu2
@fangxu2
1 month ago
提个只露了一脸的冷门人物 歌德尔 发现不完备理论的数学传奇 电影中奥本海默拿着核弹试验有可能引起大气中物质连锁反应的计算草稿去找爱因斯坦时 爱因斯塔正在和歌德尔在林中散步 两人在历史上确实是好友 在普林斯顿经常一起散步 讨论时间旅行的数学可能性
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@NovicChou
@NovicChou
1 month ago (edited)
在美國看了無字幕版 幾乎都聽不懂
感謝解說
希望可以介紹黑白畫面史特勞斯主演的部分
聽證會幾乎都聽得懂
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@evonne5872
@evonne5872
1 month ago
看完這個電影解析。讓我感動之餘想再二刷了。謝謝
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@enrouchen9522
@enrouchen9522
1 month ago
你的解說很用心 看完更理解電影
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@user-tv1vd8tb9d
@user-tv1vd8tb9d
1 month ago (edited)
看了好幾個影評，這個影片雖然內容不算豐富，但簡潔明瞭，剛好補完電影的內容，最推薦。
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@noelska119
@noelska119
1 month ago
你們講電影的水平真的蠻好的！
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@user-te2pe5qm8o
@user-te2pe5qm8o
1 month ago
很流畅的脚本，加分
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@meilinfeidao
@meilinfeidao
1 month ago
今天看了这部电影，几位主演演员确实非常不错
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@tonymontana9221
@tonymontana9221
1 month ago
个人感觉电影可以在交代任务上下一点功夫的。我看完整部电影，很多人（除了Ernest Lawrence）具体是干什么的我看完之后迷糊得不行，连最后费曼出现过都是查IMDB才知道的。至于其他方面，满分不过分.
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@angie6506
@angie6506
1 month ago
讲得好棒 感动
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@luijohn1548
@luijohn1548
1 month ago
精彩介紹
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@zorro4266
@zorro4266
1 month ago
奥本海默的根本问题是模糊了“群己权界”。
1、作为一个学者可以有自己的倾向，但作为一个可以绝密武器的领导者放任下面的人员出卖情报。
他是知道团队里有间谍嫌疑的，在1944年特意调离了几个人的岗位。
2、1943年4月后的汇报安全保密工作时候，前后有至少8次的不同版本。这才是导致奥本海默被取消接触国家机密的资格，而不是之前的人生经历（我看见很多影评都把这个作为主要）。
如果是之前的人生，早就在进入曼哈顿计划时候就被剔除了。最主要的问题就是1943年4月后，作为一个机密机构的领导者隐瞒安全问题，这是重大的责任事故。
3、美国处理奥本海默事件是合情合理合法的。
在隐瞒安全问题时候的奥本海默本人证词，完全可以被检方提告伪证罪或者妨碍司法。
当时的美国政府并没有这么做，而是按照“群己权界”原则处理。作为科学家可以有自己的政治观念，去大学任教和宣传自己思想。但不可以继续担任国家机密机构的领导者。
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@kan8900431
@kan8900431
1 month ago
解釋的真好
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@LerhChang
@LerhChang
1 month ago
襲擊並摧毀納粹德國在挪威的重水工廠的，是英國突擊隊和挪威地下反抗軍。美國的格羅斯將軍不可能率領美軍幹這個任務。
@benlohloh
1 month ago
整部电影就是诸葛亮哭周瑜的大戏 前部是奥本故意挑起STRAUSS的种种不爽 然后以各种的高智商和情商应对各种的政治形势的迫害 为什么奥本要这样做 就为了表现聪明过人 看不起不懂物理的STRAUSS 自己也有能力挑战和碾压权力 后半段更精彩了 伟人的身份被奠定了之后 就是各种的自我洗白 最大的凶手转身成为了曼哈顿最大的受害者 在总统和全球面前声泪俱下的演出大龙凤 至今为止 周瑜身边的人都认为是周瑜太小气了 那是因为诸葛亮的演技和奥本本人一样好 以至于大家都忘了他是一位心理有缺陷 有阴暗面且有杀心的人
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@user-lu2ph9uh1x
@user-lu2ph9uh1x
1 month ago
氫彈是核融合欸
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@heavysnow7
@heavysnow7
1 month ago
杨振宁是氢弹之父泰勒的学生
@mylifeisbright9717
1 month ago (edited)
我沒認出小勞勃道尼耶想說這個討厭的政客怎麼有幾分眼熟
這部電影人物真的有夠多,看的時候有點吃力
@881wuzu2
1 month ago (edited)
感謝整理,昨天看完真的對裡面超多的角色感到很混亂,雖然只介紹了幾個,但這樣聽下來還是清楚多了. 另外我也很同意,終於看到一部電影,是繼鋼鐵人後,小勞勃道尼掙脫了東尼史塔克這個角色,真正地演活了另一個角色,不然,在此之前,我看每部小勞勃道尼演的片,都像是東尼史塔克穿越時空,去作偵探,律師,餐車老闆...等
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@kokasou
@kokasou
1 month ago
昨天看完奧本海默，才發現主題真的不是原子彈試爆，而是奧本海默的內心糾結與官場的勾心鬥角。無奈電影篇幅有限、涉及人物眾多，對於未了解這段歷史的我無法好好感受電影最後的一小時。正好你的頻道為我補上了困惑。期待之後的人物介紹，以至深挖這一段歷史，讓更多像我這般的觀眾能更加理解這部電影。@garethcai5179
@garethcai5179
1 month ago
考量到Strauss本人的軍事背景 個人認為真要說他是本作唯一惡棍的話有失公允
對應Strauss說出的那句The Power stays in the shadow 就不能不提到當代權力最高的聯邦調查局首任局長J.Edgar Hoover
畢竟沒有Hoover的允許跟合作, Strauss就不可能有完整度這麼高的黑資料流出到Borden手上
總計Straus針對Oppenheimer的布局觀察如下:
1.說服Hoover展開對Oppenheimer的跟監.並在招募其進普林斯頓就近監視同時呈報給聯邦調查局
2.策動時代雜誌炒熱奧本海默的名氣
3.聯合軍系的Nichos，推翻Oppenheimer的安全權限並營造他必須設立聽證會審查的情境
4.把黑資料交由Borden,讓其致信給聯邦調查局並順手洗脫Strauss的直接嫌疑
5.利用Hoover的影響力以及Robb的極端審問手法導致Groves在聽證會上無法做出有利於Oppenheimer陳述 @yu-shan33
2 weeks ago
受到資料整理的用心~尤其還連結過去Oppenheimer被訪問的紀錄，oppie嘴上說這是當時最好的決定，但他的眼神竟是如此的自責跟傷心....#反戰~人類最不需要的是政黨政客。
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@kellychialichang
@kellychialichang
1 month ago
從諾蘭的電影學習、也認識很多很多，如原子彈的發明者及深度思考的重要性
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@lohahben9899
@lohahben9899
1 month ago
这部电影真的没有那么复杂 纯粹就是奥本对Strauss不懂原子物理学而不断各种藐视他 本片最大的受害者其实是Strauss
在受到Strauss利用权限攻击期间 奥本的高智力和高情商应对才是整部电影最精彩的部分 如果说基利安的演技好 还不如奥本本人的一半
除了反转态度为自己的行为洗白 成为曼哈顿计划的核心人物到受害者 还声泪俱下的拍片用宗教教义忽悠了全世界
他的智力除了玩转原子物理世界 他也能操弄人心 别忘了他是曾经想毒害老师的人 在我们觉得他是受害者时 他正拿着烟斗 心里正下着一盘棋 这是续黑暗骑士的小丑之后 第二位高智商的诺兰电影角色
奥本海默 太聪明了
核爆再精彩 也不如他的心理世界那么丰富
奥本海默 真的很好看 第一次看不懂 第二次看懂了 准备三刷纯粹享受演员演技
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602,536 views Jul 23, 2023 #奧本海默 #RDJ #ChristopherNolan
2023 年電影《奧本海默》的小勞勃·道尼（Robert Downey Jr）和導演克里斯多福·諾蘭（Christopher Nolan）回答了他們在網絡上最熱搜的問題。諾蘭如何拍攝核彈爆炸？ 道尼是如何成為鋼鐵人的？ 如果是諾蘭來執導的《復仇者聯盟》會怎麼樣？ 觀看他們回答這些問題以及更多！
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90 views Aug 30, 2023 【关雅荻·开放对话】
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【时间】
2023年8月26日下午
【互动内容】
00:00 三位主播分享映后感受
26:43 【观众互动】《奥本海默》和其他同题材电影的相似与不同处
30:19 【观众互动】电影声音也太大了，看完我耳蜗都在疼
36:44 【观众互动】仿佛《哥本哈根》的镜像一样，《奥本海默》就像一个芭比与马的故事？
40:30 【观众互动】影中女性角色的力量，在审视厅的妻子给了我很深的印象
43:56 【观众互动】三个小时电影太拖沓？剧情非主线的内容有没有存在的必要性
51:59 【观众互动】声音太响可能是影院的锅
54:40 【观众互动】好片才要反复咀嚼，剧情太复杂一遍可能看不懂
1:01:21【观众互动】 这是我看过诺兰最好的电影，没错我就是被“美强惨”给拿捏了
1:05:24 【观众互动】 在麦卡锡主义的环境下，奥本海默我觉得是幸运的
1:09:53 【观众互动】 诺兰的“殉道者”执念，是喜欢最美逆行者人设吗？
1:11:42【观众互动】奥本海默是惹人厌的渣男人设吗？有关英雄私德的思考和批判
1:15:04 【观众互动】把核能比作“潘多拉魔盒”，也是导演诺兰的一种警示
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美陆战1师能逃命，是因为宋时轮没有遵循毛泽东指导的兵力部署
本人在此辟谣多次，居然还有人在传播“刘伯承长津湖讲话”、“第9兵团没有冬衣”、“中共之前不宣传长津湖”的低劣谣言！晕！！
迟到了半个世纪的诺贝尔物理学奖——论文被导师撕毁，成果被学界抨击打压，他蛰伏50年终被诺奖认可（ZT）
抗日战争一大谣言——八路军大规模种鸦片（转）
您的位置： 文学城 ? 论坛 ? 几曾回首 ? 呼唤和平与理性！无论现在还是过去，投原子弹、屠杀平民都是恐怖主义行为，原始野蛮愚昧！——历史知识：杜鲁门为什么投原子弹？
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? 扔贫铀弹也是，影响环境几百年 -英二- 给 英二 发送悄悄话 英二 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 09/07/2023 postreply 23:30:30
? 罗列了对自己有利的语录。白云兄没有自己的文字。颇为遗憾。-：） -有言- 给 有言 发送悄悄话 有言 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 02:36:12
? 用事实讲话！而且那么简单的道理我反复说了多次！你有反证吗？存在什么对我不利的语录？你让我非常失望！ -白云蓝天- 给 白云蓝天 发送悄悄话 白云蓝天 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (4 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 08:53:24
? 结论是，两颗原子弹和苏联出兵还有亚洲军民的血肉长城，结速了那场惨无人道的太平洋战争！我家一个亲戚也在向死的出击当日 -古树羽音- 给 古树羽音 发送悄悄话 古树羽音 的博客首页 (224 bytes) (21 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 18:06:07
? 可惜你的结论与历史事实不符！难道不信本人贴子内容的真实性？事实是原子弹制造了很多平民冤魂，只是出于政治动机而非军事目的。 -白云蓝天- 给 白云蓝天 发送悄悄话 白云蓝天 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 18:48:41
? 白云兄，俺觉得您陷入了人性虚无主义里了。-：） -有言- 给 有言 发送悄悄话 有言 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 21:39:40
? 你很有点莫名奇妙，我一直在讲道理，非常浅显的道理，而你一直在下判断，非常幼稚可笑的判断！有你这么跟人交流的吗？！ -白云蓝天- 给 白云蓝天 发送悄悄话 白云蓝天 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (4 reads) 09/08/2023 postreply 22:03:08
? 多有打扰，抱歉。您非常浅显的道理，显而易见坛里大多数网友不认同。俺的判断得罪之处，您一笑了之吧。-：） -有言- 给 有言 发送悄悄话 有言 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 09/09/2023 postreply 01:02:55
? 你代表大多数？屠杀平民、乱投原子弹的恐怖主义行径，获得本坛大多数网友认同？另外，你再去理解一下目前全世界学者们的看法吧！ -白云蓝天- 给 白云蓝天 发送悄悄话 白云蓝天 的博客首页 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 09/09/2023 postreply 10:13:13
呼唤和平与理性！无论现在还是过去，投原子弹、屠杀平民都是恐怖主义行为，原始野蛮愚昧！——历史知识：杜鲁门为什么投原子弹？
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有些美国军事领导人对杜鲁门使用原子弹的决定纷纷提出异议。道格拉斯·麦克阿瑟将军在战后一再认为，从军事角度看，为了迫使日本投降而使用这种炸弹是“完全不必要的”，因为在那时日本无疑已到了彻底崩溃的边缘。艾森豪威尔将军、李海海军上将、金海军上将、阿诺德空军上将和英国前首相丘吉尔也持同样看法。战后美国战略轰炸调查处的报告更为明确：“即使不投原子弹，即使俄国不参战，即使不制定进攻的计划，日本也是会投降的。”
另外一些科学家和外交家则从政治上着眼来考虑使用原子弹的问题。英国著名物理学家布莱克特说，美国政府抢在苏联参战之前匆忙对日使用原子弹，“与其说是第二次世界大战的最后一次军事行动，不如说是现在正在进行的对苏外交冷战的最初的主要作战之一”。美国国务卿贝尔纳斯明确地声明说，亮出原子弹是为了使俄国在欧洲更加驯服。苏联学者认为，无论从战略上或战术上看，都没有任何必要使用原子弹。使用原子弹基本上只带有政治色彩，目的是为了显示原子弹威力，以便在解决远东问题上削弱苏联的地位。他们说：“建立美国的世界霸权，是使用原子武器的更大的政治目的。”
THE DECISION TO BOMB HIROSHIMA
By Gar Alperovitz|August 8, 2011
Today is the 66th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. Though most Americans are unaware of the fact, increasing numbers of historians now recognize the United States did not need to use the atomic bomb to end the war against Japan in 1945. Moreover, this essential judgment was expressed by the vast majority of top American military leaders in all three services in the years after the war ended: Army, Navy and Army Air Force. Nor was this the judgment of “liberals,” as is sometimes thought today. In fact, leading conservatives were far more outspoken in challenging the decision as unjustified and immoral than American liberals in the years following World War II.
https://www.wagingpeace.org/the-decision-to-bomb-hiroshima/
The Atomic Bombings of Japan Were Based on Lies
BY TAYLOR C. NOAKES
The Opening Act of the Cold War. The Atomic Bombs as a Demonstration of Power
by Brandon Bagley
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回答: 哦哦，你能把诺兰说的和我说的相提并论我受宠若惊。可能证明你本人并不是一个趋炎附势之人，只就事论事。 由 大兔子张三 于 2023-09-04 17:58:28
say the truth. stay truth. be the truth.
What is the famous quote all roads lead to Rome?
Some say the proverb all roads lead to Rome may be derived from a phrase coined by French poet Alain de Lille in the Middle Ages in 1175: “mille vie ducunt hominem per secula Romam,” which means “a thousand roads lead a man forever toward Rome.”
All paths or activities lead to the center of things. This was literally true in the days of the Roman Empire, when all the empire's roads radiated out from the capital city, Rome.
What does all roads lead to Rome mean?
The figurative expression, All roads lead to Rome, means that all choices, methods, or actions eventually lead to the same result. In ancient Roman times, this statement had a more literal meaning. The Roman Empire had an advanced system of roads, and all major roads led directly to the capital.
? 这部电影的影响力至少在影坛可见一斑 - 大兔子张三 - 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (11 reads) 09/03/2023 15:58:32 (1)
? 大兔子，再给你贴一个奥本海默的采访 - 小小得意楼 - 给 小小得意楼 发送悄悄话 小小得意楼 的博客首页 (730 bytes) (68 reads) 09/03/2023 17:14:46
? 谢谢你。我以前在影坛写过：科学的尽头是哲学，哲学的尽头是神学，有点是这个意思。我是完全相信人类自掘坟墓的毫无疑问 - 大兔子张三 - 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (7 reads) 09/03/2023 17:21:15 (1)
? 人类的存在有偶然性，偶然的来，偶然的去 - 小小得意楼 - 给 小小得意楼 发送悄悄话 小小得意楼 的博客首页 (224 bytes) (30 reads) 09/03/2023 17:28:51
? 活在当下，哈哈哈 - 大兔子张三 - 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 09/03/2023 17:35:27
? only partially, "罢了，过一天是一天，将来是没办法预测的 - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (190 bytes) (8 reads) 09/03/2023 23:41:01
? 演员都不错，故事也有深度，就是不太习惯不同情节不同场景来回穿梭，导演故弄玄虚炫技了，其实对于历史题材平铺直叙没什么不好。 - damihu - 给 damihu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 09/03/2023 16:19:10 (1)
? Filmmaking style exploring the concepts of time, memory - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (4044 bytes) (18 reads) 09/03/2023 16:47:51
? 他可以这么拍，也可以有观众不喜欢他这种风格。 - damihu - 给 damihu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 09/03/2023 16:54:24
? good interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vU - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (33947 bytes) (28 reads) 09/03/2023 17:42:14
? 有人认为是炫技，而我觉得正是这种彩色黑白双拼和多线叙事，才增加了电影的观赏性。虽然主要靠对白推动剧情，但节奏把控到位 - ilapple - 给 ilapple 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 09/03/2023 21:26:07 (1)
? 多线叙事没有问题，问题在于他晃来晃去太过频繁，把完整的故事碎片化了，生硬地把几条故事主线搞成跌宕起伏，实属没必要。 - damihu - 给 damihu 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 09/03/2023 22:32:28
? good point: Schindler's List is better - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (8605 bytes) (15 reads) 09/03/2023 23:34:26
? 艺术的表现形式可以是多元的，对电影的欣赏也是很个人的。大家都是agree not to agree， - ilapple - 给 ilapple 发送悄悄话 (493 bytes) (13 reads) 09/04/2023 10:49:30 (1)
? 视觉和音效的冲击各有各的受众Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (7088 bytes) (4 reads) 09/04/2023 11:57:03
? Oppenheimer (film) is Message picture or message movie... - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (80734 bytes) (5 reads) 09/04/2023 12:45:16
? 刚看了电影， - 小诌07 - 给 小诌07 发送悄悄话 小诌07 的博客首页 (173 bytes) (160 reads) 09/03/2023 16:57:20 (1)
? 我也是，3个小时如坐针毡，可我还是觉得这是一部好电影，以我微弱的声音向那个时代的伟大人物致敬 - 大兔子张三 - 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (8 reads) 09/03/2023 17:07:23 (1)
? Nolan said differently 向那个时代的伟大人物致敬 - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (180 bytes) (23 reads) 09/03/2023 23:38:57 (1)
? 哦哦，你能把诺兰说的和我说的相提并论我受宠若惊。可能证明你本人并不是一个趋炎附势之人，只就事论事。 - 大兔子张三 - 给 大兔子张三 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 09/04/2023 17:58:28
? both 'beautiful mind'和'imitatation game' came from a small s - TJKCB - 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (105 bytes) (58 reads) 09/03/2023 20:37:28
周云浩
本人外表平平在此就不细说了，因此我坚信好人有好报。https://www.wenxuecity.com/radio/post.php?act=post_view&postid=20387&userid=3134
“奥本海默”不复杂，看懂这10个细节就够了
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奧本海默「死後42年還被懷疑」是間諜！諾蘭電影《奧本海默》事件時間整理
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#奧本海默 #oppenheimer #movies 諾蘭表示現在討論結尾有點太早 2022年美國才正式承認不公平 核融合發電能產生400萬倍能量 奧本海默這部電影主要看到他的人生從熱愛物理，到帶量子學回到美國，開始負責 「曼哈頓計劃」的洛斯阿拉莫斯國家實驗室研發出的原子彈轟炸日本後，他開始掙扎，後來他的安全許可被撤銷，還被質疑有叛國罪，最後又獲得勳章...*** My thoughts came upon the movie:
thinking is hard, so most people just follow.
‘Thinking is difficult, that’s why most people judge’
This famous second quote from Carl Jung (which has been queried as whether entirely accurate) is simple - Clearly, others affect our behavior.
One reason for this is that we live in a complex world. We use the decisions of others as a heuristic, or mental shortcut, to navigate our lives. [顯然，其他人會影響我們的行為。 原因之一是我們生活在一個複雜的世界。 我們利用他人的決定作為啟發式或心理捷徑來引導我們的生活。]
One thought came to me at night is below said well: "我們都活在歐本海默的世界裡，一個由核彈來維持著恐怖平衡的世界裡…"
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4 weeks ago (edited)
感謝JON用非常白話的方式和時間線來整理解釋劇情，不然以諾蘭很喜歡用不同時空背景或不同視角交錯的敘事方式我每次都看得很吃力(敦克爾克也是) 我在另一位影評那邊看到他說，最後聽證會上不支持奧本海默的泰勒或許就是因為奧本海默的言行一直看起來都是矛盾的，包括看起來是民主愛國的美國人卻認同共產理念、婚姻中的背叛、原子彈試爆成功發表感言卻又對原子彈帶來的傷害感到愧疚、參與氫彈設計和研究卻又公開反對製造氫彈...這些矛盾的行為造成泰勒的不信任，我覺得這也是滿合理的解釋方式。無論如何很喜歡你的解析，還有最後的科普也很棒，用非常好懂得比喻讓人很好理解和消化，第一次看這個頻道已訂閱起來，希望之後還有更多理科小教室或是討論的影片，感謝
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rp63vUpVl0
奧本海默「死後42年還被懷疑」是間諜！諾蘭電影《奧本海默》事件時間整理
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其實看到很後面我都一直在想為甚麼沒出現費米 結果沒想到戲份也蠻多的 說真的這個真的是科學史上的復仇者聯盟終局之戰 歐本海默一行人放了顆核彈直接結束第二次世界大戰 而且這群人守住這個無限手套讓全世界沒有再使用在戰爭上 卻也一樣朝受大眾跟管理階層猜忌懷疑 長達三小時的電影內容幾乎沒有動作戲分 卻可以讓觀眾幾乎沒有疲勞感 真的是很厲害 我不知道這是甚麼魔術 可能我對於每幾分鐘就跑出來的經典人物還有歷史事件跟科學常識很興奮 但是就算是以相同的程度改成戰鬥場景或者特效滿天飛 我可能都不會覺得這麼有趣 有可能的原因就是諾蘭盡可能在輸出真實的資訊 並且以非常厲害的剪輯能力把他們串成一波一波的不同刺激 一下演員一下場景一下科學一下哲學一下裸體一下爆炸一下內心戲一下政治一下生計 這些脫離了幻想的主體依附於早已存在的歷史故事上 讓演員跟拍攝技術來重新演繹的吸引力，真的比想像中還要大許多 藝術源自於現實，現實的藝術高於現實跟藝術 (除了小勞勃道尼比想像中的還要瘦以外都蠻符合我的印象的 尤其是歐本海默跟愛因斯坦 說真的 這樣拆開來之後真的不意外復仇者聯盟會成功 因為實際上拆開來漫威的賣座系列大多都有用一樣的結構在輸出資訊(除了裸體 就好像周星馳的電影也是類似的邏輯只是搞笑的邏輯佔主體的變化比較多 一樣是讓非常好的演員極度相似的重新演譯一些已經存在的事情(漫畫 相反後面的幾個系列都沒有很好的串聯這幾個點的頻率， 並且這個重新演繹的版本跟本來的版本大多都比較不經典也不吸引人， 才會導致整個後面的系列表現這麼平庸(重點就是不用心 諾蘭用了一個本來很硬核的題材拍的像是漫威這種純商業特效大作一樣的系統 還融入了自己一貫使用的混亂時間序來讓處於三個不同時間的主角達成心境變化的同步 真的太秀了諾蘭 背景音樂雖然沒有這麼有記憶點 但是使用上非常出彩 以後還繼續無腦追諾蘭的電影
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1 month ago
其實核融合只是理論上沒有核廢料，但中間產生的氘跟氚還是有輻射汙染，只是放射汙染比核分裂的廢料低。
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1 month ago
幫你補充一下，核融合與核分裂的能量來源都來自於「質量損失」，核融合是由兩個氫原子聚變成一個氦原子，過程中會損失一些質量；核分裂是由鈾或鈽分裂成好幾個較小的原子，過程中也會損失一些質量。根據愛因斯坦的「質能方程」，E=MC*2（能量=損失的質量 [] ?光速的平方）我們就可以知道為何核武器的能量如此巨大（因為光速是3 [] ?10*8次方m/s，平方後是9 [] ?10*16次方m/s)就算只損失一點點點點質量，乘以光速平方後還是會產生非常非常大的能量！
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[@JasonChen19]
@JasonChen19
3 weeks ago
講到核融合跟核分裂就順便跟大家提一下鋼鐵人胸前的方舟反應爐最大的bug。 電影是說那個反應爐是小型的核融合發電裝置，但是卻是用“鈀”，而不是氫氘這些較輕的元素。 整個讓我當時的物理老師崩潰 [] 。
@daiwan99
3 weeks ago
謝謝你的影片,整理的非常好, 補充一點：1940 年代的美國上層精英很多左派和共產黨員,（電影有演出） 他們很大的層度影響了當時的政策, 一直到韓戰風向才開始轉變
@benlohloh
1 month ago (edited)
整部电影就是诸葛亮哭周瑜的大戏 前部是奥本故意挑起STRAUSS的种种不爽 然后以各种的高智商和情商应对各种的政治形势的迫害
为什么奥本要这样做 就为了表现聪明过人
看不起不懂物理的STRAUSS
自己也有能力挑战和碾压权力 后半段更精彩了 伟人的身份被奠定了之后
就是各种的自我洗白 最大的凶手转身成为了曼哈顿计划的最大受害者 在总统和全球面前声泪俱下的演出大龙凤 至今为止 周瑜身边的人都认为是周瑜太小气了 那是因为诸葛亮的演技和奥本本人一样好 以至于大家都忘了他是一位心理有缺陷 有阴暗面且有杀心的人
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@user-fw8wm4yd9r
1 month ago (edited)
我還沒有去看電影：歐本海默。 戰後，由於共產主義的擴張與蘇聯共產黨對美國等西方世界的滲透，所以出現「麥卡錫主義（美國版的白色恐怖）」。因此，歐本海默在這大環境下受到審察。當然，科學家之間的不同立場也是他受到審查的原因。 歐本海默研發的原子彈與核能技術後來多數用來和平用途。他在看到兩顆原子彈的爆炸造成的影響之後是反對研發大規模毀滅性核武器去毀滅世界的。
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@kisaraki88
1 month ago (edited)
一、中文維基裡頭沒有史特勞斯，但看英文版本，會覺得史特勞斯就是一個很讚很幹練的官僚，站在他的位置上，他的主張基本上沒錯（本片中每個大咖講的話，無論正反都像先知一樣，而且後來都發生了），只是違法聽證會真的毀了他，而助理提了一下甘迺迪，也算是為後來的頒獎授勳先打底。 二、這片幾乎是紀錄片等級，像泰勒的聽證會證辭、奧本海默的轟炸演講、杜魯門罵他是愛哭鬼等等，內容都可以說是一字不漏還原。
三、如果有智障在那邊吵歐本海默還是奧本海默，代表他根本沒看過本片，因為一開始史特勞斯就有嘴發音問題了。
四、二十世紀初最厲害的科學家、政治人物都在本片中了，裡面有出現人名的人物，包括納粹那邊，個個都是獨霸一方的權威，包括兩個女人與他的學生在內，本片幾乎沒有雜魚等級的人物。
五、原子彈有兩種形式：槍式與內爆式，廣島那顆就是槍式，缺點是很難做出大威力、而且會造成反應物浪費；三位一體、長崎乃至後來的原子彈，都採用內爆式，片中之前一直要試驗內爆殼的原因是，殼中（就是包覆核心外面的巨大塊狀物）有不同威力的炸藥，要保證核心可以同步被爆炸威力壓縮到臨界，為了達到這個同步，得不斷地調整炸藥的配方與位置。而氫彈的核融合也要靠內爆啟動，只是啟動壓縮的不是靠不同威力的炸藥，而是原子彈。因此泰勒（對，他就是氫彈之父）才會與奧本海默有那段對話。 六、麥卡錫主義真的是美國政治史上的一頁狂熱，只是這個國家冷靜得還滿快的.....
七、洛斯阿拉莫司小鎮沒拆掉，現在是美國國家實驗室，專門跑電腦模擬核爆。
八、核融合最大的問題是溫度太高，隨便就是一億度，根本沒有任何設備廠房可以支撐，要等待的反而是低溫核融合的技術。
九、做人不要太玻璃心。本片一切的衝突來源，就是愛因斯坦表錯情、史特勞斯會錯意然後玻璃碎滿地。
@TheBenz99
1 month ago (edited)
老大，您在这里给了把 超级无敌 的非常钥匙，把诺兰在电影里的神秘锁给一 一地打开了唷！ 其实诺兰所拍的电影内容和 BBC 于 2009 年发布的 有关于 奥本海默 之纪录片的内容非常的相似！如果先看了 这个2009年的记录片后，要比较容易去理解诺兰的这个电影就极有可能了，因为好像已经是二刷的感觉！
** 氢弹的结构里包括了一个核分裂反应的原子弹（即奥本海默团队所成功引爆的那一款原子弹）来引发核融合反应的氢弹。
** 这是为什么在电影里 Teller 很理所当然地来找奥本海默，认为奥本海默在原子弹成功引爆后，会继续支持他来发展威力更大的氢弹。为什么这么说呢？因为当他要离开团队时，是奥本海默一个人留住了他，并允许他在营地里继续 Teller 本身 一开始就要研制的氢弹。
看了您的解说，好开心哟！因为终于有人愿意花时间去用线性的方式来把被诺兰穿插拍摄方式所引起的视觉混乱给一次过理清了！而且是十分彻底的理清呢！ [] [] [] 谢谢您用了许多宝贵的时间与精神来用心地制作这个视频！我们大家都受益了！ [] [] []
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@PakBallandSami
1 month ago
“The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. ”
― J. Robert Oppenheimer
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago (edited)
I am quite sure that people fall into the 2 groups alluded to but I don't think optimist is the best word to describe someone in group 1, and I don't think pessimist is the best word to describe someone in group 2. I think perhaps willfully stupid people and sadly wise people are better names.
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@Rocky-KooKoo
@Rocky-KooKoo
1 month ago
?@soilmanted Congrats, you just ruined a great quote told by one of the greatest physicists in the history of the world
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@GreenmiIe
@GreenmiIe
1 month ago
? @soilmanted literally the same thing with extra steps, and dumbed down to kindergarten phrasing.
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago
@GreenmiIe Yes, indeed, I retained the same verb in each of Dr Oppenheimer's 2 sentences, and retained the same object in each. All I did was change the subject. Instead of optimist I said willfully stupid people. Instead of pessimist I said sadly wise people. I felt no need to use the article the in each sentence. So I removed the 2 article words. But I did not add any extra "steps" Rather, I added one adverb and one adjective to each sentence. Those are not steps. Those are noun-modifiers. They do not describe actions; they describe things. So because I removed 2 words and added 4, the whole paragraph became just 2 words longer. And I think the term willfully stupid people is better at describing what kind of person thinks "this" is the best of all possible worlds than the word "optimist" does. Why? because "the best of all possible worlds" refers to the world we have at the time of Dr O's comment, refers to the world of Dr O's "now." An optimist is someone who is thinking about the future, as opposed to someone who is thinking about a "now." .So it's the wrong word. Sadly wise pessimist is a better subject for sentence number 2 than pessimist. Again a pessimist is thinking about the future. A sadly wise person is someone thinking about the present, the "now." I say "now" because Dr O is referring to how someone thinks about "this world" – he uses the term "this world," not some future world, but this world.
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago
@GreenmiIe Mark Twain said, never use a big word if a small word will do. It is not "dumbing down" to use a word that is more widely understood, and more readily comprehensible. It is clearer speaking, it is better writing. It is less pretentious..
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@GreenmiIe
@GreenmiIe
1 month ago
@soilmanted yk what, I was wrong and I willfully admit that I was ignorant. Sorry to disrespect earlier and I realize you have a good point.
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@annemaria5126
@annemaria5126
1 month ago
As I experience it..
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@annemaria5126
@annemaria5126
1 month ago
@soilmanted oh dear... I am afraid everyone will put me in the stupid section, however....I hope.........to belong in the second section (against all odds).
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@soilmanted
@soilmanted
1 month ago
@annemaria5126 I like to do what I can choose my own group, myself, and to avoid being placed in any group, by anyone else.
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3 weeks ago (edited)
Oppenheimer was a complex man. Truly a beautiful and tragic story and person. One of the most important people in history.
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1 month ago
The quality and effort put into this video is truly commendable. I was captivated from start to finish by your engaging storytelling and nice visuals. The depth of research and attention to detail shine through, making it an informative and enjoyable experience. Congratulations on this beautiful video! Keep making these even though the like/view metrics may not be as high as expected, competition on YouTube is brutal but hopefully quality will win over quantity in the end!Why America Betrayed Oppenheimer
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