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如果方舟子阴谋设计了整个事件，我们一点都不奇怪。--Evan Kass (4763 bytes)
Posted by: mendel
Date: September 26, 2010 03:58AM
还是洋人强。Evan Kass对方舟子的揭露和认识真是入木三分啊
很不幸，竟然有人试图在没有证据或证据不被同行认可的状况下给肖医生定罪。那个叫 Jian
Ping的人所讲的话，是典型的试图在没有证据或证据不被同行认可的状况下的发言。当然，我
为肖传国医生辩护，是因为我认为肖医生是个勤奋工作并很诚实的科学家和医生。我个人亲身
经历并见证了肖医生做“肖氏手术”。我不得不说，他是一个无与伦比的，天才的外科手术医生。
我会在世界上许多国家取得成功。他毫无必要伪造数据来美化他的手术。他可以很诚实地告诉
你们的是，他的手术在我们的一些病人身上非常成功。是不是肖氏手术可以在每个脊柱裂小孩
身上有效呢？当然不是。我们可以选择那些更适合肖氏手术的病人吗？当然可以，绝对的可以。
那正是我们研究的目的。那些批评我们选择病人这一做法或怀疑肖医生的“肖氏手术\\\'缺乏一定
的有效性的人，不应该只是狂狗吠月，需要更多的调查研究和数据。我们在Beaumont医院的
研究，在接受病人之前，已经通过内部和外部的多次审查。任何批评我们研究方法的人，很明
显是不客观的。人们当然要怀疑和质问他们所谓批评的背后动机。针对那些攻击性的指控，很
明显，我，而不是这个论坛上的其他人，才知道事情的真相。但是，如果你们跟着方舟子，亦
步亦趋，人们会非常怀疑方舟子提出的任何指控。因为方舟子是个需要复仇的人。任何人如果
选择站在一个被指控抄袭（方舟子被指控抄袭），被法庭判决赔偿以及多年来一直试图毁掉一名
曾举报过他抄袭的人的职业的人一边，人们当然会质疑那个人的判断力。我选择为一个有名誉
的男人辩护，因为这人是一个天才的外科手术医生，勤奋的科学家和拥有善良的灵魂。
这个男人是否因为有另一个男人一直在骚扰他并一直试图毁坏他的名誉而被逼到他所能承受的
极限？也许。任何人都会被逼到毫无退路的死角如果有人年复一年地用不实的指控来毁灭打击
他。但是，我认为，肖医生不会这么做。尽管方是明（方舟子）试图毁坏他的名誉，肖医生一
直在世界各地受到人们的尊敬。他不是一个处于绝望的人。
在我们科学社会里，许多人都曾看到过方舟子攻击肖医生的胡言乱语，我们都会把它当作一个
不顾一切寻求报复的人的话语，一笑了之。
如果方舟子阴谋设计了整个事件，我们一点都不奇怪。
引用:
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21：40 on Saturday
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Evan Kass MD Chief of Pediatric Urology Beaumont Children\\\'s Hospital has commented Saturday, September 25, 2010,21:40:44
Unfortunately, there are those who would try to convict Dr Xiao without evidence or a fair judgement of the evidence by his peers. Jian Ping\\\'s comments are typical of those who would convict an innocent man without a fair and honest view of the evidence. Certainly, I defend Dr Xiao because he is, in my opinion, an honest hardworking scientist and surgeon. I have personally witnessed Dr Xiao doing his surgery and must say that he is an exceptionally gifted surgeon who would be successful in any country in the world. He did not need to falsify data to justify his procedure and I can tell you honestly that his procedure has worked wonderfully in some of our patients. Does it work for every child with spina bifida? Certainly not. Can we sub-select patients who would do better than others? Absolutely. That is the purpose of our study, and those that would criticize our methodology or the fact that Dr Xiao\\\'s procedure has some validity have to do more than simply bark at the moon.
Our study at Beaumont has passed through multiple reviews both internally and externally before we were able to enroll patients, and anyone who tries to criticize our methodology, obviously is not objective and one must certainly question their motivations. As to the charge of assault, it is obvious that I, nor anyone on this blog knows the truth, but if you follow the career of Mr Fang, one should be very suspicious of any charges that Mr fang makes, because he is a man possessed by the need for revenge. If one chooses the side of a man who has been charged with plagerism, lost his counterclaim in court and has spent the last several years trying to destroy the career of the man he suspects of reporting him for falsifying data, then one certainly has to question that persons judgement. I choose to defend an honorable man that I know is a gifted surgeon, hard working scientist and a gentle kind soul.
Could he have been pushed to his limit by a man who has harassed him at every turn and has tried to ruin his good reputation? Perhaps. Anyone can be pushed beyond the point of no return if they are constantly bombarded with false accusations, but, in my opinion, I do not think Dr Xiao is capable of such an action. Dr Xiao, despite all of the attempts of Mr Fang to discredit him continues to be a well respected person throughout the world and is not a desperate man.
Most of us in the scientific community have read the ravings of Mr Fang and dismissed them as the words of a man hell bent on revenge. We would not be surprised if he engineered this whole event.
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Posted by: mendel
Date: September 26, 2010 03:58AM
还是洋人强。Evan Kass对方舟子的揭露和认识真是入木三分啊
很不幸，竟然有人试图在没有证据或证据不被同行认可的状况下给肖医生定罪。那个叫 Jian
Ping的人所讲的话，是典型的试图在没有证据或证据不被同行认可的状况下的发言。当然，我
为肖传国医生辩护，是因为我认为肖医生是个勤奋工作并很诚实的科学家和医生。我个人亲身
经历并见证了肖医生做“肖氏手术”。我不得不说，他是一个无与伦比的，天才的外科手术医生。
我会在世界上许多国家取得成功。他毫无必要伪造数据来美化他的手术。他可以很诚实地告诉
你们的是，他的手术在我们的一些病人身上非常成功。是不是肖氏手术可以在每个脊柱裂小孩
身上有效呢？当然不是。我们可以选择那些更适合肖氏手术的病人吗？当然可以，绝对的可以。
那正是我们研究的目的。那些批评我们选择病人这一做法或怀疑肖医生的“肖氏手术\\\'缺乏一定
的有效性的人，不应该只是狂狗吠月，需要更多的调查研究和数据。我们在Beaumont医院的
研究，在接受病人之前，已经通过内部和外部的多次审查。任何批评我们研究方法的人，很明
显是不客观的。人们当然要怀疑和质问他们所谓批评的背后动机。针对那些攻击性的指控，很
明显，我，而不是这个论坛上的其他人，才知道事情的真相。但是，如果你们跟着方舟子，亦
步亦趋，人们会非常怀疑方舟子提出的任何指控。因为方舟子是个需要复仇的人。任何人如果
选择站在一个被指控抄袭（方舟子被指控抄袭），被法庭判决赔偿以及多年来一直试图毁掉一名
曾举报过他抄袭的人的职业的人一边，人们当然会质疑那个人的判断力。我选择为一个有名誉
的男人辩护，因为这人是一个天才的外科手术医生，勤奋的科学家和拥有善良的灵魂。
这个男人是否因为有另一个男人一直在骚扰他并一直试图毁坏他的名誉而被逼到他所能承受的
极限？也许。任何人都会被逼到毫无退路的死角如果有人年复一年地用不实的指控来毁灭打击
他。但是，我认为，肖医生不会这么做。尽管方是明（方舟子）试图毁坏他的名誉，肖医生一
直在世界各地受到人们的尊敬。他不是一个处于绝望的人。
在我们科学社会里，许多人都曾看到过方舟子攻击肖医生的胡言乱语，我们都会把它当作一个
不顾一切寻求报复的人的话语，一笑了之。
如果方舟子阴谋设计了整个事件，我们一点都不奇怪。
引用:
Perhaps,is not reviewed by moderator yet. He posted it at
21：40 on Saturday
=============
Evan Kass MD Chief of Pediatric Urology Beaumont Children\\\'s Hospital has commented Saturday, September 25, 2010,21:40:44
Unfortunately, there are those who would try to convict Dr Xiao without evidence or a fair judgement of the evidence by his peers. Jian Ping\\\'s comments are typical of those who would convict an innocent man without a fair and honest view of the evidence. Certainly, I defend Dr Xiao because he is, in my opinion, an honest hardworking scientist and surgeon. I have personally witnessed Dr Xiao doing his surgery and must say that he is an exceptionally gifted surgeon who would be successful in any country in the world. He did not need to falsify data to justify his procedure and I can tell you honestly that his procedure has worked wonderfully in some of our patients. Does it work for every child with spina bifida? Certainly not. Can we sub-select patients who would do better than others? Absolutely. That is the purpose of our study, and those that would criticize our methodology or the fact that Dr Xiao\\\'s procedure has some validity have to do more than simply bark at the moon.
Our study at Beaumont has passed through multiple reviews both internally and externally before we were able to enroll patients, and anyone who tries to criticize our methodology, obviously is not objective and one must certainly question their motivations. As to the charge of assault, it is obvious that I, nor anyone on this blog knows the truth, but if you follow the career of Mr Fang, one should be very suspicious of any charges that Mr fang makes, because he is a man possessed by the need for revenge. If one chooses the side of a man who has been charged with plagerism, lost his counterclaim in court and has spent the last several years trying to destroy the career of the man he suspects of reporting him for falsifying data, then one certainly has to question that persons judgement. I choose to defend an honorable man that I know is a gifted surgeon, hard working scientist and a gentle kind soul.
Could he have been pushed to his limit by a man who has harassed him at every turn and has tried to ruin his good reputation? Perhaps. Anyone can be pushed beyond the point of no return if they are constantly bombarded with false accusations, but, in my opinion, I do not think Dr Xiao is capable of such an action. Dr Xiao, despite all of the attempts of Mr Fang to discredit him continues to be a well respected person throughout the world and is not a desperate man.
Most of us in the scientific community have read the ravings of Mr Fang and dismissed them as the words of a man hell bent on revenge. We would not be surprised if he engineered this whole event.
[news.sciencemag.or...attacks.html]
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