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Democracy, Tyranny, and Chaos.
送交者: gd2 2005年6月08日19:18:33 于 [儿童成长]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 嗅觉很灵敏，indeed，没有的味道都能闻出来 ：） 由 c1a2n3a 于 2005年6月08日18:05:29:
The D state does not last forever, nor the other two.
US is likely: D-> T-> C...
and China likely: T-> C-> D...
We had a discussion here a yr or so ago.
Or read "The Republic". :-)
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补充一点（慎入，很枯燥）
送交者: goodparent 2005年6月09日05:31:46 于 [儿童成长]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 解释一下 由 goodparent 于 2005年6月09日04:17:42:
根据Plato的理论，每个国家或者地区都不可能在一种制度（民主，专制，或者混乱）下长久存在，因为每个制度都有其致命弱点。结果是每个国家都不断地在一个环路中转来转去。
用gd2 的话来说，美国的循环途径好像是 D-> T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> ... 而中国的循环途径好像是 T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> D-> ...
就我自己来看，现在美国的民主政治和自由竞争的市场经济都有很多弊端，因为当初建国立宪的时候留下太多漏洞。由于这些弊端，将来美国的经济将崩溃，政治将分化，国家将经历一场血战，重新立宪。我认为这是不可避免的。对于美国是否会进入一个专制时代，然后进入混乱，我还没有把握。
由于中国现在还是一团糟，政治和经济体系都很不健全，我们可以认为她是处于混乱状态。在这一点上，我跟gd2的观点相同。
中国的民主化是毫无疑问的，肯定要发生。但是，我希望它慢慢地发生，因为我希望中国人看到先行者美国开始走下坡的初步结果，以便从中汲取教训，把中国的立宪工作做得比美国更先进，更全面，更合理。
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The three states don't have to repeat exactly.
送交者: gd2 2005年6月09日06:39:50 于 [儿童成长]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 补充一点（慎入，很枯燥） 由 goodparent 于 2005年6月09日05:31:46:
China has been in T&C cycling for thousands of yrs, without D.
China 1911-1949 was in Chaos, and from 1949 to now in Tyranny(--not back in Chaos yet).
Did someone dispute this with me last yr already?
Even if a Democracy state were established perfectly, it would still eventually die.
Plato didn't say it clearly in his work, but he did all the proof leading to the only
logical conclusion. ("When has any philosopher ever said anything clearly?")
What US is going into next has little scholastic value(it's a pain anyway!). But it has
a lot to do with how a man is to struggle to preserve his family's wealth and life, especially for Chinese
Americans and ABC kids.
As the New "New Deal" seems increasingly likely since my writing last yr, Tyranny is more
likely the state the US is getting into next.
Have a nice day!
送交者: gd2 2005年6月08日19:18:33 于 [儿童成长]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 嗅觉很灵敏，indeed，没有的味道都能闻出来 ：） 由 c1a2n3a 于 2005年6月08日18:05:29:
The D state does not last forever, nor the other two.
US is likely: D-> T-> C...
and China likely: T-> C-> D...
We had a discussion here a yr or so ago.
Or read "The Republic". :-)
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补充一点（慎入，很枯燥）
送交者: goodparent 2005年6月09日05:31:46 于 [儿童成长]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 解释一下 由 goodparent 于 2005年6月09日04:17:42:
根据Plato的理论，每个国家或者地区都不可能在一种制度（民主，专制，或者混乱）下长久存在，因为每个制度都有其致命弱点。结果是每个国家都不断地在一个环路中转来转去。
用gd2 的话来说，美国的循环途径好像是 D-> T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> ... 而中国的循环途径好像是 T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> D-> T-> C-> D-> ...
就我自己来看，现在美国的民主政治和自由竞争的市场经济都有很多弊端，因为当初建国立宪的时候留下太多漏洞。由于这些弊端，将来美国的经济将崩溃，政治将分化，国家将经历一场血战，重新立宪。我认为这是不可避免的。对于美国是否会进入一个专制时代，然后进入混乱，我还没有把握。
由于中国现在还是一团糟，政治和经济体系都很不健全，我们可以认为她是处于混乱状态。在这一点上，我跟gd2的观点相同。
中国的民主化是毫无疑问的，肯定要发生。但是，我希望它慢慢地发生，因为我希望中国人看到先行者美国开始走下坡的初步结果，以便从中汲取教训，把中国的立宪工作做得比美国更先进，更全面，更合理。
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The three states don't have to repeat exactly.
送交者: gd2 2005年6月09日06:39:50 于 [儿童成长]http://www.bbsland.com
回 答: 补充一点（慎入，很枯燥） 由 goodparent 于 2005年6月09日05:31:46:
China has been in T&C cycling for thousands of yrs, without D.
China 1911-1949 was in Chaos, and from 1949 to now in Tyranny(--not back in Chaos yet).
Did someone dispute this with me last yr already?
Even if a Democracy state were established perfectly, it would still eventually die.
Plato didn't say it clearly in his work, but he did all the proof leading to the only
logical conclusion. ("When has any philosopher ever said anything clearly?")
What US is going into next has little scholastic value(it's a pain anyway!). But it has
a lot to do with how a man is to struggle to preserve his family's wealth and life, especially for Chinese
Americans and ABC kids.
As the New "New Deal" seems increasingly likely since my writing last yr, Tyranny is more
likely the state the US is getting into next.
Have a nice day!
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