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采桑子06-06-22 16:07:30

所谓写手, 是指经常在大众媒体上发表原创文章的人。这里的大众媒体指报纸、杂志、发行的单行本小说和网络等,只要是面向大众开放的都算。如果你天天记日记,存在笔记本里或者自己的电脑硬盘里,因为不向大众公开,所以大众也不知道你,那么你也算不得写手。比如曹雪芹曹前辈,含辛茹苦十年有余写成一部《红楼梦》,那九年默默耕耘,无人知之,所以他就不能算写手。等到一举成名天下闻的时候,可以称做写手。可是他老人家贫病交加,已经做古,只能叫“前写手”。

定义了写手,再来谈谈写手与读者的关系。写手在大众媒体上写作,读者在大众媒体上阅读,实际上是一种邀约关系。因为没有读者的写手不能算写手,写手写出来东西就是给人看的。就比如我们周围的公园,之所以叫公园,就是一个邀约,是让广大人民群众进去休闲,游玩的。封闭的花园,要插一块牌子,上写“私人领地,谢绝入内”。你进去了,就是侵犯私有财产。网络上有没有这样的领地?有。比如班级通讯录,批发商为零售商开设的B2B网站,这些网站都设有密码,好比私家花园的钥匙,主人门一关,不相干的人自然进不去,就知道自己是不受欢迎的人。

好了,如果你的网站没有锁,那么就是面向公众开放的一个公园。你建设了公园,却发出了邀约,要大家进去赏花游玩。那么你和大众就是一种邀约关系。那么大众就有权利对你的作品,无论是写作态度也好,作品里的人物也好,都有权利进行评论,当然你也有权利反驳,但是却没有权利让人家闭嘴。

这是一个社会的common sense。

 没有权利让人家闭嘴? -chicken- ♂ 给 chicken 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (98 bytes) (216 reads) 2006-06-22 
perhaps, but the author has right to WANT certian people to cut it out.

•  没明白你的意思. 能说明白点吗? -采桑子- ♀ 给 采桑子 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (0 bytes) (22 reads) 2006-06-22 
•  I mean -chicken- ♂ 给 chicken 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (275 bytes) (169 reads) 2006-06-22 
That author didn't drive some people away forcefully but she just simply suggested that they leave. So, she has right to want that happen and suggest that, right? And of course on the other hand, certain readers have "right" to feel hurt and express it.
•  我说过了, 既然是个邀约, 那么他/她这么做就很粗鲁 -采桑子- ♀ 给 采桑子 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (42 bytes) (127 reads) 2006-06-22 
是一种冒犯.

这个我后面还会再讲到的.
•  Not everybody wants to please -chicken- ♂ 给 chicken 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (1204 bytes) (155 reads) 2006-06-22 
everybody.


most of us would beg for our article being visited , clicked and bumped. She is not like that. She would talk to you first about some disagreements cause she wouldn't just simply ignore your attention to the article and effort of posting. And if that doesn't work out and it turns out that someone is just having a foreign thinking than her, she may recommend that person not to bother to come. If that one really didn't come, it would be just easier for both parties. At least, I guess.

She would not get upset or be armed because you don't like her. She also would not accept everything of you just because you like her and make nice compliments. You can kiss her butt for a month but if you appear to be a person who enjoys passing on judgements to people and can't help lecturing on people, she may still not take you like a " ZhiSha".

Take it easy, girl, you can very possibly change your mind or have a second thought concerning her personality once you meet her in real life. The web blocks a big part of our communications and makes a lot of misunderstandings. Keep being resentful toward someone won't make you any happier.
•  请不要对号入座, 俺只是针对一种现象泛泛而言 -采桑子- ♀ 给 采桑子 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (394 bytes) (120 reads) 2006-06-22 
就比如你请了客人来家, 谈话中间因为客人一句话不入耳, 而人家也没什么恶意, 你就说: 我这里浅窄, 请你到宽阔的人家做客去吧.

试问一下: 客人是什么感受? 不能说因为主人是个什么性格, 就可以这么粗鲁地对待客人.因为这不是一个人的事情, 这是关系到另外一个人的感受.

如果不希望自己的博克被访问,可以设置成"隐藏", 免得人家兴致勃勃地闯进去, 大发感慨之余, 被粗鲁地对待.

你说我说的是不是这个理?
•  到公园里游玩是没人会反对的 -寒枝- ♀ 给 寒枝 发送悄悄话 寒枝 的个人博客首页 (312 bytes) (165 reads) 2006-06-22 
只是如果在公园里违反了园规, 扰乱了公园的环境, 那园主绝对有理由请那人出园.
而且如果那人反复去骚扰, 园主本来就可以请警察帮忙了. 如果碰上一个温柔的园主, 每次都是好言相劝, 说你不喜欢我的园子就请下次不要来了, 要是非来不可, 就请不要在我的公园里再贴反对我的公园的大字报了, 那么我想那人如果讲道理的话就应当适可而止了.
•  厚厚, 对啊. 请问园长会不会因为游人说一句: 这一处不好看 -采桑子- ♀ 给 采桑子 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (66 bytes) (124 reads) 2006-06-22 
就把别人赶走涅?

什么园长这么牛? 麻烦MM告诉我, 我去试试看...
•  hahaha -68245(127 bytes) (101 reads) 2006-06-22 
Haven't you already tried and met such an owner. Believe it and accept it as one element of life. Get over it and move on.
•  偶是真想看看现实生活中有没有这种不讲理的园长... -采桑子- ♀ 给 采桑子 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (37 bytes) (70 reads) 2006-06-22 
说实话, 在国外, 大多数公园没有园长...
•  In real life -68245(270 bytes) (82 reads) 2006-06-22 
I encourage you go to private families and try that. I think however you are treated, good or bad, you can not say "Because someone else treated me better or 'reasonable', therefore I should be treated the same here." The rules in public domain does not apply here.
•  在现实生活中, 我知道, 大家都必须对任何人彬彬有礼 -采桑子- ♀ 给 采桑子 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (108 bytes) (76 reads) 2006-06-22 
否则很可能得到一张律师函.

到目前为止, 我没有对任何人说, 你不要来我的博克. 即使有人对我说过类似的话...
•  当地社区中心就是公园的园主. -BubbleToot- ♀ 给 BubbleToot 发送悄悄话 创建自己的博客 (131 bytes) (66 reads) 2006-06-22 
社区中心制定的规矩你喜欢不喜欢都得服从,比如有的公园不允许搞“Petting Zoo”的 Birthday 生日,你如果硬要搞,被人告一状就可能被处罚。
•  要是您只是自己嘟囔一句这一处不好看, -寒枝- ♀ 给 寒枝 发送悄悄话 寒枝 的个人博客首页 (145 bytes) (101 reads) 2006-06-23 
也不会有人理啦. 但是如果您把自己背道而驰的意见涂抹在人家心爱的大树上, 甭管是谁也不会喜欢啦. 而且人家三番四次地好言相劝, 您怎么还越涂兴致越高了呢?

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