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[随笔]最后的香格里拉:拉萨的暴乱和汉藏文化的冲突

(2008-03-27 08:30:46) 下一个



我没去过拉萨,但去过西藏。

那年,跟老爷子一起去访贫问苦,当地有个年青的藏官接待我们,给我留下很深的印像。

这个非常谦卑的藏官,很小就学习汉语,在北京中央民族大学进修过。老爷子问他还会不会藏语,他说能听会说不会写。老爷子说,一定别忘了藏语,要会写,那可是你们自己的文化啊。年青的藏官听到后,非常激动, 差点儿没给老爷子跪下。





汉人到西藏已经几千年了吧。建国以后,国家在人力物力和财力上不遗余力地对西藏的援助带来了藏民们在经济的繁荣昌盛。党和国家的民族政策是要保护少数民族的利益和文化。在我们的教育中,西藏农奴终于翻身得解放,走向通往社会主义的康庄大道。 一曲“在北京的金山上”似乎就是西藏人民发自内心对党和毛主席无比的热爱和敬仰。



可藏人对汉人和在西藏发生的这一切心里究竟是怎么想的,估计没人能说得清楚。西藏农奴制度的确被汉人推翻了,别忘了,当年文化大革命在拉萨也是如火如荼。


达赖喇嘛一直被描写成一个反革命卖国贼,民族分裂主义者,披着羊皮的狼。

可是为什么他在西方世界还会这么受欢迎?为什么老有政界显要要站出来给他说话为他撑腰?

是西方世界故意要同中国作对?还是我们真有值得反思的地方?

在美国有机会接触到达赖喇嘛的文字和视听,我觉得他的确是一个精神领袖,一个开悟的有智慧的喇嘛, 他是不是披着羊皮的狼,就看你怎么去理解他了。

他说的汉人对藏文化的屠杀也许激进了些,但这个汉文化对藏文化的排挤或冲击现象应该说是存在的。

这种冲击体现在日常的生活中,展现在电视电影和新闻网络媒体上。




就像美国的文化对其他民族文化的冲击一样,当地本民族的保守势力自然会表示不满。对外来文化不满情绪积压得太久,爆发得就会非常激烈,以至引起战争。

藏民暴乱要独立,必须要制止。这次一些不法藏民利用北京噢运会的机会,有计划有组织有目的地在国内外对中国政府的挑衅和对汉人的袭击必须要镇压, 国家领土不可分割要捍卫, 这是对的。但在对藏族和他们藏文化的保护上还要反思,要加强。



一个强者对一个弱者的威严,其实不在于一个杀无赦的令牌和能力,而在于一个更亲切的关怀和保护。

一个受到保护的弱势群体会给强者带来一个和谐的社会。

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深圳来的 回复 悄悄话 To noso,

OK, the last one today.

What is a culture? "所谓文化或文明乃是包括知识、信仰、艺术、道德、法律、习惯以及其他人类作为社会成员而获得的种种能力、习性在内的一种复合整体。”--泰勒(1832—1917) 1871年《原始文化》

How to protect a culture?
Does that mean that isolating them, don't allow them to learn new things, stay in their own slavery system? Don't forgot that knowledge, law, etc, are all part of culture.

So, are you suggesting that China goverment do that? Isolating Xizang, don't alow others enter there? You sure that Dalai will say that China goverment is protecting their culcure, do you?

Living better is a desire of every human being, even those normal people in Xizang. By learning more of moden knowledge, they will choose to change some way of their life. That is nature of people. Don't even think that you can change that. That's a little childish.
深圳来的 回复 悄悄话 To noso,

I notice that you are trying to show that you are a cross-bencher. But there are two ways to do that:
1. Make judgement base on the facts and history; or
2. Sounds like don't make any judgement, says don't know anything and deny all the facts and history.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I feel that you are taking the second way.
Yes, 文化大革命did affect Xizang a lot, but that affect the whole contry too. Yes, the Xizang culture is being impacted by Han culture, but westen culture is also affect it too, maybe more!
So, can that be the reason that we Chinese can accept anybody to take part of our country away?!

Also, "我觉得他的确是一个精神领袖", yes, he is a leader, a leader of the govern class of a slavery country! No matter what we were educated, that is a fact that nobody is being treated like a "talking animal" in today's Xizang!

Interesting thing is that some people, like Bali, talks about human right a lot, but feels like he forgot that what kind of country that Dalai Lama used to be in, before Han people drove him away! Does he mean that Slavery system is a better system? He wants to live in that kind of country? I guess he doesn't want to be a slave, "talking animal", does he?
深圳来的 回复 悄悄话 To Bali:
Go and ask British if they would like to return the Malvinas island back to Argentina? You are not so old to forget the history, aren't you? Maybe...you don't know what is history.
Go and ask France if they would like to return Corse, before the year of 1769, it didn't belong to French either.
Go and ask American, will they return their land back to Native Indian? Four hundred years ago, those white people in this land were all driven out of Europe!

How many years since Xizang was part of China? Thousands of years! Please, read some history before you talk. That only shows your ignorance!
深圳来的 回复 悄悄话 TO BALI and other who has same mistake:
Please, do you understand the meaning of the "party" and "Country"? I don't quite like GCD and the current situation in China, that's why I am here. But, that doesn't mean that I don't love my country!
Take an example ( in case you still don't understand, based on your IQ...), someone enter your home by force, take over your house and everything, will you just go to the goverment (类似中国国土局的部门...刚来美国半年,不好意思,不知道该是美国这个部门叫什么) and say you will give your garden to someone else?

GCD is not that good, but that does not mean that I will agree that somebody else can take part of my county away!!!
emakex 回复 悄悄话 回复Bali的评论:
You should go back to school and take World History 101 before you bark again. Tibet was, is and will be part of China. Even Dalai himself can't deny it.
emakex 回复 悄悄话 回复Bali的评论:
Bali, you should go to hell with Dalai together
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复Tender的评论:

In politics, there is no truth to be told since the facts can be and always have been explained in different ways by different people, depending on what the truth is to what they believe.

However, in reality, things either have happened or have not happened. Those facts are what we should investigate. But how? We the people have no access to the facts other than internet or words of mouth.

All we can do is trying to figure out what actually could have happend from all the informations provided to others by the media and official statements from all parties.
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复Bali的评论:


I must say that you have some good points in your argument. Thank you for that.
Bali 回复 悄悄话 Oh, to you bunch of hypocrites who say that Tibeten are Chinese, Dalai and his people were born Tibetans. On the other hand, you have given up your Chinese citizenship to become Americans, Australian or whatever. If this Chinese/non Chinese upsets you so much, you should just go back to China, put the money where your mouth is so to speak.
Bali 回复 悄悄话 Tender, At this stage I don't think anyone has argued that Chinese government did it. Most people (except for Chinese) don't believe Dalai did it either. Chinese government has accused Dalai was behind the incident and unfortunately a lot of Chinese choose to believe the government. Personally I don't believe the Chinese government deserve the trust given its past history.

People often argue that Chinese people have the right to survive first before we talk about human rights blah blah. That's true but who is stop Chinese people surviving? Isn't China a country of rich and resources (DiDaWuBo)? So who is stop Chinese people surviving? Which country has one of largest gaps between rich and poor? Globalisation should benefit the poor in countries like China in theory. But in reality, it only benefits the corrupted party officials and their families and friends. This brings to your other point. Is China (Chinese government) improving? To me, a serial murderer who used to kill 10 people now kills only 2 people is hardly an improvement that worths celebrating.

Now can anyone here honestly tell me why we should trust Chinese government?
Tender 回复 悄悄话 回复jwayne_1的评论:

Well honestly I had great respect to Dalai Lama until now. I received lots, lots of his messages from different people. And the messages brought very good impressions.

However, what happened this time makes me think otherwise. The hatred in the messages posted by the extreme Tibetans and their supporters really scared me. And Dalai Lama's own words cannot convince me that he's what I've been told before.

On the other side, I saw a increased restraint form the Chinese government this time, at least from all the information we have now. So in my opinion they're trying to improve. Things change and you cannot judge one by something he did 20 years ago.

For those who thought the Chinese government initiated this incident, think twice: why would they choose 2008, a few months before the Olympics to do so? For them this is the worst time for anything like this to happen. And don't forget the statements posted on internet by various Tibetan groups trying to use Olympics as their last golden chance to do harm to the Chinese government.

Sadly, what happened would make all Chinese, including Tibetans suffer. Increased hatred among Han and Tibetan, bad image for the Chinese government posted by the media, less chance for Dalai Lama and his followers to establish a healthy relationship with the government. I feel really sorry for everyone.
jwayne_1 回复 悄悄话 回复happyyu的评论: that's too simplistic. what about the islamic human bombs? what if you had a relative working in the twin tower on 9-11?
jwayne_1 回复 悄悄话 回复Tender的评论: i am not arguing or trying to prove this tibetan riot is innocent. i am just saying that neither side (gcd government, note, not chinese people, and da lai group) is likely to tell the truth. and, if i put myself into a westerner's shoes, i would have to believe da lai more because:

1. gcd had bad reputation before;
2. da lia had good reputation (of course it very well could be far from the truth);
3. what gcd did: kicking out all the journalists (see, i can believe they did that just because they were stupid and made a mistake, but i don't think you can expect a westerner understand that).

more importantly, i have sympathy toward the tibetan people even though i don't know who's right and who's wrong. there may not be right or wrong. the most important thing for an average person lives there is that one can have a good life (unfortunately this good life is not just material).
Tender 回复 悄悄话 回复jwayne_1的评论:

I know how bad gcd has in its reputation, and I've never said they are good. But please keep in mind that you're countering my questions regarding Dalai Lama's statement, not gcd. Do not switch the topic.

And even the "worse" gcd had provided names along with their numbers. How come the "better" Dalai Lama didn't even have a single name other than "140", what are you trying prove here?
happyyu 回复 悄悄话 好无疑问,这次事件最直接的结果就是:喇嘛和尼姑的工资将大幅上调(本已远远高于多说发达地区的最低工资水平),每月免费供应的牛羊肉将大幅增加.然后新的一轮的抗议又在酝酿.
happyyu 回复 悄悄话 说'公路铁路修了,汉人来了'真有点当年义和团团众的口气,所以他们挖断铁路,放倒电线杆.
happyyu 回复 悄悄话 我尊重和敬佩所有有信仰并为之献身的有气节的人,他们另我感动:
1.佛说,‘我不入地狱,谁入地狱!’
B.C.6世纪,释迦部落的王子乔达摩.奚达多创立了佛教,并拒绝了
世袭的皇位,以手托钵行乞,传播佛教真谛.
2.孟子曰"生,我所欲也,义,亦我所欲也,舍生而取义者也"
"渴死不饮盗泉之水,饿死不食嗟来之食"
这是我做人的信条.
3.哥白尼为自己的信仰而被宗教裁判所烧死.
4.文天祥,"留取丹心照汗青"
5.谭嗣同,"我自横刀向天笑,去留肝胆两昆仑",‘维新变革若有流
血,当自吾始'(忘了原话,其意如此)
6.周文拥,陈铁军, 以刑场作婚礼的gcd人
7.饿死不领美国面粉的朱自清先生
8.'杀生成仁'的蒋介石幕僚,陈布雷先生.
和这些人相比,说Dalai是政客都是高抬他,他就是一唯利是图的商人.

坚决要求将藏人世代居住,六世Dalai出生的藏南地区划归"大藏区"管辖,一切印度教的邪教徒滚出我美丽的藏南!
jwayne_1 回复 悄悄话 回复Tender的评论: the point it's hard for you to counter is that the gcd had much worse reputation and creditability than dalai lama. and, very importantly, past creditability counts when current and future information is not clear.
jwayne_1 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论: come on, i know you support the invation of iraq.
Tender 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

noso! 有不同意见可以探讨。西藏不等于伊拉克,它的问题要复杂得多。但任何极端的路线和做法都是不应该的。挑拨离间的,最终会被历史唾弃的。不管他/她是站在那一边。
Tender 回复 悄悄话 回复bluecurrent的评论:

“从目前状况看,你想让GCD政府说出有多少人死亡时是根本不可能的, 有点痴心妄想。”

- 你是不是想说,想让GCD政府说出跟达赖喇嘛所说一样的人数是不可能的?那倒过来的话,你觉得可能吗?

“我们以前上学的历史书上写得很多东西都是根据GCD 的宣传来写的,来洗脑的。”

- 坚决同意。但效果如何,有目共睹。至少在你这里是失败的。另一方面,希望你不要说,VOA以及类似的东西不是用来宣传及洗脑的。相信CIA也不是吃干饭的。

“六四后所有的大学生在学校洗脑,我们周周要写5页的回顾与反思,呵呵,天安门一个人也没有死,这是宣传资料上的白纸黑字。后来,谁还敢提六四啊?”

- 上文学城的人,很多都是从六四过来的。我们心里清楚那是怎么回事。没人“敢提六四”,正说明大家都还记得,没有被洗脑。

“为了镇压FLG,天呢,所有的媒体报纸电视狂轰乱炸了两个月,搞得大家一看电视就头疼。自然而然,大家就厌恶FLG。”

- FLG的事,我都出来了才开始闹。我对他们的印象是从街边发传单和报纸的老太太们那里来的,跟国内的没关系。

从你说的来看,好像你都是说国内的情形。难道你在国内?那你怎么上的文学城呢?别忘了,我们在这里天天接触的是西方媒体,一点点判断力还是有的。我对GCD政府也很不感冒(要不也不会出来) 。但我相信国人的判断与智慧,至少不至于要把中国拆了送人。
Tender 回复 悄悄话 回复jwayne_1的评论:

My answers to your questions:

Q: "i don't have no opinion. but i would like find out from you: how many people died? how many of them were han4 and how many of them were tibetan? thanks."

A: I wasn't there, and have no reliable source from there. So I'm not in a position to provide you with a number. If I do provide any number/fact, I make sure that there is evidence for it. I think it's just fair to expect the same from anyone who does that, including Dalai Lama. What do you think?

Q: "don't you think the chinese government knows better how many people died and how many of them were han or tibetan? did they provide a name list? why don't they provide a name list? is it because they were lying?"

A: The Chinese government did provide their numbers with some names(including the 5 innocent han/tibetan girls who were burned by the mobs), which is what I'm still expecting from Dalai Lama. Don't you think the Chinese government can provide the list if they're asked? Your ligic doesn't work here.
bluecurrent 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

haha!
noso 回复 悄悄话 嗯,看来很多同学对于党和国家关于西藏和达赖喇嘛的问题的精神领会得很好,很彻底,表扬一下。

希望在6-4问题上的认识再提高一些,并支持美国占领伊拉克。枪杆子里面出政权是硬道理,藏民们别不知好歹,不服就杀。

中国的崛起就拜托各位了!
bluecurrent 回复 悄悄话 回复jwayne_1的评论:
从目前状况看,你想让GCD政府说出有多少人死亡时是根本不可能的, 有点痴心妄想。

我们以前上学的历史书上写得很多东西都是根据GCD 的宣传来写的,来洗脑的。

六四后所有的大学生在学校洗脑,我们周周要写5页的回顾与反思,呵呵,天安门一个人也没有死,这是宣传资料上的白纸黑字。后来,谁还敢提六四啊?

为了镇压FLG,天呢,所有的媒体报纸电视狂轰乱炸了两个月,搞得大家一看电视就头疼。自然而然,大家就厌恶FLG。

你们还有谁 听说过 穆斯林心目中的 拉萨 20 多年前也发生过 这样类似的骚乱?

我们不知道的真相太多了。

GCD 很懂心理战术的,这要多亏了我们伟大领袖教导接班人有方。
jwayne_1 回复 悄悄话 回复浮萍儿的评论: all of the questions i asked were stupid, had no logic. but i learned from tender. 清醒,分析得有条理,有水平, you must be kidding or sleeping or having a beer :)

i don't think you, me, or anyone at wenxuecity know the exact truth yet. i consider the chinese government was also stupid by not allowing journalists to be there.
jwayne_1 回复 悄悄话 回复Tender的评论: don't you think the chinese government knows better how many people died and how many of them were han or tibetan? did they provide a name list? why don't they provide a name list? is it because they were lying?
jwayne_1 回复 悄悄话 回复Tender的评论: i don't have no opinion. but i would like find out from you: how many people died? how many of them were han4 and how many of them were tibetan? thanks.
bluecurrent 回复 悄悄话 回复浮萍儿的评论:

Hehe , 我到西方发达国家 是来学习西方文化和知识的,取长补短的。我可没有能力去同化西人, 可是我能做到的就是,向我所认识的西人 展示 我的东方传统文化价值。北美大地上的华人多着呢,这个任务就交给你们了。

不过,还想提醒你不要忽略一个最基本的事实。 估计北美大地上的汉人总数可能占所有人口总数的5%都不到吧???

在新疆穆斯林的群居地城市,30年前汉人的人口比例占所有人口的10%都不到,那时候社会和谐安定。改革开放后,短短几年,就涌入了一倍以上的汉人去那里谋生发财,你说穆斯林能不生气吗?现在汉人的比邻已经占到了40%左右,你说,汉人对 穆斯林来说,是不是有点像 洪水猛兽?

西藏我就不多说了。公路铁路都通了, 汉人都来了,我想你们怎么就不能站在 别人的角度来考虑考虑呢?这些汉人去西藏的动机 是什么?不就是为了发财嘛!!

呵呵,有道是, 西藏是一片没有被发掘的土地,处处充满了商机,需要有精明生意头脑的汉人去打造啊!
偶然路过的人 回复 悄悄话 回复胡说2007的评论:

对呀. 藏传佛教是宗教, 人家回教不是宗教?

BTW, 楼主为什么不回答问题呢?
如果达赖真是个好的佛教徒, 为什么说谎? 为什么把杀死平民, 烧毁学校的行为歪曲成和平抗议示威? 你可被告诉我他不知道尘世间有五个手无寸铁的女店员被烧死.原来杀死汉人是一种和平抗议示威.
胡说2007 回复 悄悄话 "现在每天有约6000汉人涌入拉萨,拉萨现在主要街道有238家卡拉OK歌舞厅,658家酒馆。布达拉宫旁边盖了个游乐场,回教的清真寺也纷纷兴起。年青的藏族小孩也不好好念经了,整天上网吧打游戏。"
这没什么不可以吧?
难道禁止回教在西藏传播?
Bali 回复 悄悄话 Agree Agree Agree!

Is Tibet part of China? Yes but only by force. Was Tibet always part of China? No. Should Tibet be part of China? It should be decided by its own people, not by Chinese government. Chinese government will fight to death to keep Tibet and to save face and in the process, a lot of people (Han and Tibet) will die.
浮萍儿 回复 悄悄话 回复Tender的评论:你非常清醒,分析得有条理,有水平,顶一下!
浮萍儿 回复 悄悄话 回复bluecurrent的评论:"现在的汉人 到拉萨, 能给那里的人们带去什么?恐怕能 带去的菩萨 名字叫 利益, 在传播一种 名字叫 拜物金钱 的宗教。" 我想请问你,你现在何处?加拿大,美国还是澳大利亚?你给这些国家带去的是什么?


Tender 回复 悄悄话 我已经向搂主提了醒,不要只听一个人怎么说,还要看他怎么做。如果搂主不能接受这个建议, 那我也无话可说。

那好,我们就来看看达赖自己的话吧:

“这次在西藏发生的不幸事件造成许多人员的死亡是极其不幸的,得知其中有少数汉人也丧生。”

- 藏人和汉人到底有多少人死在这次暴乱中? 如果真如达赖所说,藏人死了140个,起码可以提供一份名单来证明一下吧?否则我可不可以认为他在说谎或者在遮掩? 另有所图?

“为了促使国内实现稳定与和谐,避免在民族之间制造矛盾。”

- 这话怎么听着像在挑拨离间啊?

“例如因为对天安门事件没有得到合理公正的处理,致使很多汉人遭受痛苦。当前,在一些乡村,腐败的地方干部对成千上万受到不公平对待的平民百姓的依法诉求要麽不予理睬,要麽采取各种强制手段来压制。我对这一切的感受是基於作为人类的一员,同时作为愿意成为中华人民共和国大家庭一员的。”

- 把民族矛盾和天安门事件挂钩,激发老百姓对政府的仇恨?

“我坚信,包括西藏、新疆和内蒙等许多的重大问题都可以得到解决,虽然内蒙的蒙古族只占内蒙古自治区总人口2400万的百分之二十不到。”

- 新疆和内蒙古?想把维族和蒙古族的都挑起来吗?还把新疆叫做”东土耳其斯坦”(见英文原文),闹分裂哪?

“尤其是从今年三月十日以来,为发泄长期积累的怨恨和不满,在以拉萨为主的西藏三区许多地方爆发了民众自发的和平抗议示威,而中国政府则竟然马上就指责是我挑动制造了这些事件。”

- 中国政府指责的是达赖集团,不是他个人.而五个藏人组织向世界藏人发表的联合行动声明证明了这次的骚乱确实事先有计划.他们都尊达赖为领袖,大家说中国政府应该怎么称呼他们? 西藏流亡政府? 那是逼中央政府承认你独立; 藏独? 达赖自己说他不搞独立. 也许中国政府应该说“以达赖为首的藏人在国外的组织”? 这跟“达赖集团”有什么区别?

如果宗教和政治挂钩,将会是很ugly的.

看过楼主的一些文章,觉得您至少在思考. 希望您能从各方面综合考虑,再下结论.
浮萍儿 回复 悄悄话 回复风清月白的评论:你是脑袋进水呀,还是ZD的支持者?!什么他是诚意的,他只不过穿了一件华丽的衣裳而已,他是一个政客,一直是打着和平的旗号搞分裂,利用一些头脑简单的西方人,一些复杂的别有用心的西方人,给中国政府制造混乱然后还做出一副委屈的样子,他在编制谎言欺骗世人,你居然相信!西藏的事情怎么会与他无关!他的所谓告华人书我看了,不过是一个政客的所谓伪善面孔而已,你也会信得进去。他有什么资格跟政府谈判,一个曾经剥削西藏人民的农奴主的代表!他为什么只字不提中国政府每年拿出10几个亿善待他的藏民,为什么只字不提中国政府这些年来为西藏,为西藏人民做了多少好事!为什么不提中国政府为保护西藏文化所做的努力和实实在在的事情!什么少数汉人丧生,他们是惨死于被他愚昧的藏族人的刀下!这些人是暴徒,放在哪个国家都不会为政府所容忍的!
偶然路过的人 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

楼主为什么不回答. 理屈辞穷了吧? 如果达赖真是个好的佛教徒, 为什么说谎? 为什么把杀死平民, 烧毁学校的行为歪曲成和平抗议示威? 你可被告诉我他不知道尘世间有五个手无寸铁的女店员被烧死.原来杀死汉人是一种和平抗议示威.
huangshang 回复 悄悄话 I totally agree.

火柴的柴 评论于:2008-03-27 12:16:46 [回复评论]


一个群体失去了世袭的利益,从未放弃过试图卷土重来。这就是藏独群体。
藏传佛教之精髓,西方人其实根本不明白。西方政府对达赖的追捧和对藏独的支持,出发点是国际利益抗衡和‘唯恐天下不乱’。

周子衡 评论于:2008-03-27 09:49:56

如果有人(异地的强者?)成心不让你们和谐融洽,每年拨款养着跟你捣乱作对的人,恐怕一厢情愿的怀柔也不会永远生效

滚子刀肉 评论于:2008-03-27 11:07:09 [回复评论]

国际政治只有利益,没有原则.比如西方国家就不会支持法西之间的巴斯克独立运动, 若法西两国一不小心是GCD国家了, 美英立马就会支持他们的独立运动的.




ggg1234 评论于:2008-03-27 10:59:26 [回复评论]

人与人,族群与族群间永远都会有利益纷争.再过一千年也是如此.看看历史吧,一味怀柔并不能解决问题,只能使反对势力坐大.该打压就得打压.

偶然路过的人 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

你有没有脑子? 达赖明明在睁着眼说瞎话. 杀死平民, 烧毁学校, 这叫和平抗议示威? 这种人怎么不该唾骂? 作为佛教徒, 说谎本身是很大的过错. 如果他真的是佛教徒, 他为什么不指出藏民伤害无辜妇孺是残忍的行为?
wtwyc 回复 悄悄话 最烦人说汉族文化挤压藏文化。人云亦云。你们仔细想想,我们汉人原来是穿牛仔裤,衬衫,t-shirt的吗???我们汉人的住宅是这个样子的吗?这一切都是西方文化!!是西方文化在侵略藏族文化好不好。它们不但在侵略藏族文化,而且在侵略中国,在侵略韩国,日本和整个全世界!
风清月白 回复 悄悄话 读了达赖的文章,我感觉他确实有一片诚意。 西藏独立究竟与达赖有关吗?他一再声明和他无关。
中共一再说暴乱与他有关,就应该拿出相应的证据来,而不因该无中生有。

不过,谁也不清楚他究竟有没有在背后做手脚。
noso 回复 悄悄话 骂达赖喇嘛的可以把这个当反面教材来看。愿意动脑子自己判断是非的可以试着去理解他说的有没有道理。

达赖喇嘛通过媒体发表对全球华人的呼吁,原文:

今天我首先向全球华人同胞,尤其向中华人民共和国境内的所有汉藏同胞们,表示真诚、友好的问候!同时,针对近期在西藏发生的事件,以及相关的汉藏民族关系等问题发表我的想法,并以我个人的身份对大家做出一些呼吁: 这次在西藏发生的不幸事件造成许多人员的死亡是极其不幸的,得知其中有少数汉人也丧生。为此,我感到万分的同情和悲伤。在这里,我要向所有的死难者及其家属表示沉痛的哀悼和慰问。同时也为死难者的亡灵进行做法祈祷。 这次事件不仅表明了西藏境内的紧张局势,同时也表明了通过和谈寻求实现和解的紧迫性。为了扭转目前这一情势继续恶化的局势,我已向中国领导人表达了为实现和平与稳定而共同配合的意愿。

在这里,我向汉族同胞们保证,我绝对没有分裂西藏或者是在汉藏民族间制造矛盾的图谋,相反地,我时常为寻求西藏问题在汉藏民族长久互利的基础获得解决而进行努力。正如我多次阐明的那样,我关注的是西藏民族独特的文化、语言文字以及民族特性,并使之得以延续与保护的问题。做为一个如法守戒的佛教比丘,我保证,我的愿望是真诚的,我的动机是诚恳的!

今天我要呼吁中国领导人,重新审视你们对我的评价,实事求是地解决存在的问题,并希望能够运用智慧与藏人展开有实质意义的和谈。为了促使国内实现稳定与和谐,避免在民族之间制造矛盾。中国官方媒体在报道这次事件时,采用编造和歪曲事实真相的宣传方式,其可能引发的难於预测的后果,乃至给未来的民族冲突埋下祸根等现象。对此,我感到万分的焦虑。例如,为了在我和汉族同胞之间制造矛盾,中国政府不顾我一直支持北京举办奥林匹克运动会的事实,居然宣称我在破坏北京举办奥运会。然而,有部分汉族有识之士和学者对中国领导人的行为,以及由此可能导致未来民族关系难於逆转的恶果等现象表现出极大的关注,这令人鼓舞。

藏汉两个民族自古以来毗邻而居,在两千多年的历史岁月中,我们之间曾有过联姻的亲密,也有过战争的硝烟。佛教从印度传入中国的时间早於西藏,因此,汉族被藏人视为兄长而受尊敬,在海外,与我有过接触的汉人,包括从大陆来的朝圣者大都了解这一点。这一切鼓舞着我,并使我相信这将有助於藏汉人民的相互理解和信任。 在二十世纪,整个世界发生了一系列的巨变,西藏也未能例外。1949年中华人民共和国成立以后,人民解放军就进入西藏,最终於1951年5月签订了“十七条协议”,尤其是我在1954年、55年间参加全国人大会议期间,认识了以毛主席为首的大多数中央领导人并成为朋友。特别是在很多问题上得到毛主席的许多教导。并就西藏的未来得到他本人的许多承诺。由於受到这些承诺的鼓舞,加上受当时大部分中国革命领导人的决心和激情的影响,我满怀期望和信心地返回了西藏。一些藏族的共产党领导人也抱有相同的期望。返回拉萨后,我竭尽全力地为雪域西藏在中华人民共和国大家庭中实现名副其实的民族区域自治而进行了努力,我坚信这是实现藏汉两个民族长远共同利益的最好途径。

然而令人遗憾的是,大约从1956年起,西藏局势开始动荡不安。到1959年3月10日拉萨发生和平起义,我本人也被迫流亡他国。在以后的岁月里诚如前世班禅喇嘛于1989年1月份的讲话中指出的那样:“在西藏虽然有许多建设和发展,但同时也遭受巨大的破坏和镇压”;从根本而言,西藏人民处於慌惧不安之中,中国政府对藏人处在疑惧与提防的状态中。即使如此,我在1960年写的祈词中祈祷:“愿愚顽群体能识取舍,共具慈爱友好之福泽”。其中我并没有将刚刚残酷无情地镇压了西藏人民的中国政府视为敌人,而是祈祷能够化敌为友,友好相处。现在,这篇祈祷词已经成为在校学生为主的藏人每天必诵的功课。 1974年,我与噶厦,议会的正,副议长经过深入思考和讨论之后,决定寻求一个藏汉共同和平发展,而不需要分裂的解决途径。当时中国还处於文化大革命的动乱中,我们与中国政府之间也没有任何联系管道,但我们认为,西藏问题迟早要通过和谈得到解决,西藏留在中国,至少在经济发展和现代建设方面可以受惠。因为西藏仅管有着悠久的历史和丰富的文明,但经济建设落后。 西藏高原是亚洲诸大河流的发源地,因此,保护西藏高原的生态环境是至关重要的,我们最焦虑的是如何保护以慈悲为核心之藏传佛教文化,以及如何保护和延续西藏的语言文字和民族特性等。因此,我们非常真诚地为整个藏民族寻求名副其实的民族区域自治。关於藏族等各民族的这些权利,在中华人民共和国《宪法》中已有明确规定。

1979年,当时的中国最高领导人邓小平对我的代表提出:“只要不谈独立,西藏的其他问题都可以协商解决”。由於我们已经对西藏问题在中华人民共和国宪法框架范围内寻求解决有了一个明确地认识,因此,我们已做好了充分的准备。其后,我的代表们曾多次与中华人民共和国的有关人员接触。从2002年恢复接触以后,至今虽已进行了六轮会谈,却均无实质突破。虽然如此,正如我已多次声明的那样,我要再次重申:我对中间道路的立场没有任何的改变,并愿继续保持接触和商谈。

今年将在北京举办奥林匹克运动会,是中国人民期待已久的盛会,我从一开始就支持给予中国主办奥运的机会,现在仍然坚持这一立场。中国是世界人口最多且具有悠久历史和灿烂文明的国家。随着经济的发展而且在日益凸显其大国的气魄,这是值得欢迎的。但与此同时为了赢得国际社会的重视和尊敬,必须要创造出透明、自由、法制、宽容与和谐的社会。例如因为对天安门事件没有得到合理公正的处理,致使很多汉人遭受痛苦。当前,在一些乡村,腐败的地方干部对成千上万受到不公平对待的平民百姓的依法诉求要麽不予理睬,要麽采取各种强制手段来压制。我对这一切的感受是基於作为人类的一员,同时作为愿意成为中华人民共和国大家庭一员的。我认同和支持中华人民共和国主席胡锦涛先生提倡的“和谐”政策,但“和谐社会”需要言论自由,法制以及在对个人自由得到保障的基础才能产生,如果实现这一切,我坚信,包括西藏、新疆和内蒙等许多的重大问题都可以得到解决,虽然内蒙的蒙古族只占内蒙古自治区总人口2400万的百分之二十不到。

最近,听胡锦涛先生说西藏的稳定关系到全国的稳定之讲话后,我对开启一个解决西藏问题的新时代充满了期待。然而,令人遗憾的是,不论我如何诚心实意地避免汉藏分离而进行努力,有些中国领导人仍继续对我进行毫无根据的指责和批判。尤其是从今年三月十日以来,为发泄长期积累的怨恨和不满,在以拉萨为主的西藏三区许多地方爆发了民众自发的和平抗议示威,而中国政府则竟然马上就指责是我挑动制造了这些事件。对此,我呼吁组成具有公信力的独立调查组织,对事件进行彻底的调查,澄清事实,查明真相!

在此我要呼吁全球所有的汉族同胞们,不论你们身处何地,请关心我们两个民族间存在的问题,尽心尽力地去消除彼此间没有必要的疑虑和猜忌,为了促成和谈,在宽容、理解的基础上解决西藏问题而做出贡献。

祈愿世界和平安乐! 释迦比丘十四世达赖喇嘛丹增嘉措於 西元2008年3月28日
bluecurrent 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

You can force them to agree with you, but you can't force them to believe what you believe.

A really good saying!
thenortheasterner 回复 悄悄话 the boarders (territorial and cultural) in the past - between clans, tribes, ethnic groups, Greek city-like countries, chinese warlord's territories, united countries like Soviets and it breakdowns to small pieces - have changed and continue to change. The process of breakdown and fusion just keeps going on and on. Everone has their own miseries and grieves and their own glories. the 'old's goes, and the 'new's born. Just history. Who can stop such ever changing process? but everyone/culture wants to survive. The way one deals with such change really depend on HOW he looks at the 'invision' of 'foreign'. One looks at it only on the dark side, one will use all negative words "rape", "bararian rules" and resist, some may do so at any cost . If one looks at it only on bright side, he will open arms to full to welcome it (and like you just said, it may kill its own whatever). I guess seeing both sides somewhere in between may give us better action guidance. what do you think?
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复thenortheasterner的评论:


right, that's why Mongolian and Manchurian could rape our Han culture like no tomorrow. One thing Manchurian did it right though was to learn from our culture, and that's why they could rule Han people so long.

thenortheasterner 回复 悄悄话 you have good points. I never seen Dalai Lama, and don't really know him exactly. I don't think the issue is just "We are the good guys and Dalai Lama is the bad guy" - this simple.
Dalai Lama may has his points when I try to think in the way Tibetans do.
What I'm thinking is what is 'the better' for Tibetans themselves, or broadly speaking, to any culture/ethnic group.
Just like I just said, protection will meet its dead end, and ony fusion will ensure all cultures suvive.

just my personal two-cent opinion. Willing to listen and learn.
thenortheasterner 回复 悄悄话 one more words:
in the long run, "protection" (for a particular culture) may be able to extend the life of something but can never shield the thing from dying.
I think the better strategy is "fusion": fuse own culture with "invading culture(s)" to make a new life. I guess the 'greater' chinese cutlure was born this way and survived and continue to thrive on it.

Just my humble opinion.
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复thenortheasterner的评论:

Well, if the globalization means diminishing of ethic identity, then we all will be part of American junk culture and become greedy bastards.

Yes, education is a key, but what do you educate them? We are the good guys and Dalai Lama is the bad guy? How can you expect them to accept that at all.

In their mind, Dalai Lama is their leader their God. You can force them to agree with you, but you can't force them to believe what you believe.


thenortheasterner 回复 悄悄话 I very much agree with you. However, I think there is a problem with your conclusion "对于当地藏人来说不是汉文化冲击是什么。" from the things such as "现在每天有约6000汉人涌入拉萨,拉萨现在主要街道有238家卡拉OK歌舞厅,658家酒馆。布达拉宫旁边盖了个游乐场,回教的清真寺也纷纷兴起。年青的藏族小孩也不好好念经了,整天上网吧打游戏。"

If we can all look at these things at the global level, don' you think this is part of a globalization: every country is being impacted. Actually such 'globalization' can be seen at all levels: city dwellers don't like peasants flocking into cities/towns, Coca Cola, Wal Mart, McDonalds....have been invading every country, every city and take big chunk of business out of local businesses, and some people just hate it. All kinds of things are happenning.

But can anyone stop such trend-globalization? I don't think so. Probably only thing, and a wise (I think) for locals to is to keep open mind and face it, adapt to the new reality, new conditions.
For the people, who can not and don't want to open their mind and adapt the new reality, will have very difficult time during this process, some of such people (mostly uneducated) may eventually go extreme (violent actions) to resist, just like what has just happened in Tibet and many parts of the world.

I think that the central government has already realized that EDUCATION is critically important. which is why the government has allocated so much resources, put so much money and man power into those undeveloped backward places to try hard to get the general mass educated as soon as possible, including Tibetans.

I fully understand our government's good-will and measures and support them.
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复xiaoguai04的评论:

你说的这个实地经验我没发言权,没去过。不过就我在西藏接触过的藏族同胞来看他们真的很善良和朴实。当然,那里人都有好有坏。不过这次暴乱的确是有组织有计划的。

达赖喇嘛在其中究竟起了什么作用,who knows? 扣帽子,打棍子,无中生有,是文革那一套。
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复bluecurrent的评论:

"请问,现在的汉人 到拉萨, 能给那里的人们带去什么?恐怕能 带去的菩萨 名字叫 利益, 在传播一种 名字叫 拜物金钱 的宗教。"

呵呵,说的好。看楼下很多人的评论跟读《人民日报》社论没什么区别。
bluecurrent 回复 悄悄话 回复大陆愤青的评论:
说得好!文成公主带去最为珍贵的礼物就是现在被奉养在拉萨的释迦等身像和随行的众多工匠、医生以及一个图书馆。请注意我这里说的拉萨是狭义上的拉萨,也就是大昭寺所在地,这个原先被称为逻些,后来改名叫作拉萨的地方。

嘿嘿,那么,请问,现在的汉人 到拉萨, 能给那里的人们带去什么?恐怕能 带去的菩萨 名字叫 利益, 在传播一种 名字叫 拜物金钱 的宗教。

当然我们坚决不能否定国家对西藏基础设施的大力投入,这本来就是一种社会在进步时代在发展的体现。我们不能老是把过去的农奴社会和现在来比较,不能老是给达赖喇嘛扣五十年都不变的大帽子。我们能拿解放前和现在比吗?

看来共产党的忆苦思甜教育 深入人心啊!
xiaoguai04 回复 悄悄话 如果你在西藏呆上2年,如果你在西藏工作2年,你就不会认为汉族在西藏的优势地位,相反,汉族在西藏就是二等公民
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的确如此,我在那里呆过好几年,深有体会。无论什么都是藏族优先,而且是大大优先。汉人备受屈辱也得不到支持。如果你被藏族欺负,你根本不敢和他说理,因为对方马上叫来藏人还说你欺负他,而他们当然是帮自己的。很多没去过,或者只是短暂旅游的人总把那里想象成天堂,世外桃源,精神家园,真生活在那里你会发现根本没有那么回事。一切丑恶的东西都可以在那里找到,甚至更多。
蓝色蓝色 回复 悄悄话 紧急紧急!!!准备参与3月29日周六在多伦多Yonge&Dundas广场的人士请注意!!!大家是不是去参加反对西藏独立的集会示威呢?错!错!错!组织者黑白色在向市政府申请的仅仅是非政治性音乐会(Concert)的许可,而绝不是集会(Assembly),抗议(Protest)或是游行(Demonstation)的许可。事实上,组织者向当局承诺,不会出现任何政治性的标语和行为。同时,Dundas Square本身也是禁止任何政治性集会的。组织者一方面向市政府取得音乐会的许可,一方面鼓动参加游行集会,刻意隐瞒真相,欺骗市政府,欺骗公众,大搞文字游戏。在组织者的网页和广告中没有出现过任何有关于音乐会(Concert)的字眼或主题。不知道是在自己玩火,还是在欺骗广大爱国人士。到时,任何的政治性活动,标语将被视为非法,组织者的行为将会触动加拿大法律受到重罚,参与者也极有可能牵涉其中。所以,这究竟是爱国,还是在卖国???加拿大有许多正常的渠道可以去办各种政治示威,为什么组织者非要这么多人一起去违法?而且组织者还违反加拿大法律要求把游行捐款存入其私人户口。各位仁者见仁,智者见智了。如果不信可以致电组织者黑白色当面查询:416-880-9345。(小资料:Dundas Square的网址是:www.ydsquare.ca. Tel: 416-979-9960, 他们只允许举办:Concert, Festival, Sampling, Product Launch, Market, Reception. 关于法律上的查询可去access Toronto. www.toronto.ca)
偶然路过的人 回复 悄悄话 回复nnuu1688的评论:

有道理. 所以楼主一直不回答一个问题, 就是如果达赖真是一个开悟的有智慧的喇嘛, 会纵容佛教信徒屠杀平民, 烧毁学校?
Tender 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

Thanks for the quotes. But as someone below posted, please judge one by what he does, not by what he says. Honestly, I don't even want to judge Dalai Lama as I do believe anyone can live in their own way, as long as they don't harm the other people and the society as a whole.

Just hope you don't be misled by someone's kind words without checking the facts first. In fact, anyone could have said some wonderful words like you posted, including yourself. That doesn't prove anything unless the person actually did what he said. Da Lai Lama might have learned a lot from western, but his religion keeps some top secrets on how it's run.
wenjuyuan 回复 悄悄话 如果说保护中国文化,没人会理解成要保留皇帝将相等东西。可一说保留西藏文化,就认为应保留喇嘛神权制,还要自治。少有人把中国的经济发展说成西方文化对中国文化的破坏,却都说西藏的经济发展是汉人文化对藏文化的破坏。双重标准而已。中国政府在适当时侯应正式表明立场,取缔藏文化理的神权遗产,就不信天会塌下来。
大陆愤青 回复 悄悄话 “第五、好像我前面的回帖没有看到出现,能否悄悄问一下楼主,这是怎么回事?”

我发现了,是我的密码输入错误,呵呵。

再把我之前的帖子重新发一遍:

对不起,我好像没有听清楚,你的意思是汉人在汉化藏人?请问如何汉化的,是用四书五经还是朱子家训?汉文化的主要载体就是这些类似的传承。你的意思难道是藏人现在都在学这些吗?哦,你说不是,而是青藏铁路、豆腐块楼房、饮食餐饮这些东西。那么请问,这些东西到底是汉文化独有的呢,还是所谓“普世价值”?好像现在全世界都是这些东西吧,好像这些东西主要还是西方人的发明吧,好像紧挨着大昭寺广场的餐饮店最显眼的是德克士(西式快餐),好像拉萨最出名的餐饮店是玛吉阿米和刚拉梅朵之类的藏式快餐店,里面主要出售的是藏餐和西餐吧,好像还有相当出名的书店古修哪,好像也是藏人自己经营的书店吧。

请问你所说的“但这个汉文化对藏文化的排挤或冲击现象应该说是存在的。这种冲击体现在日常的生活中,展现在电视电影和新闻网络媒体上。” 到底指的是什么?

如果说是因为汉人特别是很多汉人干部不信喇嘛教,就说汉文化对藏文化产生冲击或排挤,未免太不符合“普世价值”之一:信仰自由了吧。须知信仰自由中也包含了不信的自由。

所以说还是我那句话:屁股决定嘴巴,屁股决定耳朵,屁股决定眼睛。我的屁股自然坐在我的凳子上。

我不认为我身为一个汉人,一个居住成都的汉人,曾经做过什么以汉文化排挤和冲击藏文化的事情。我也不认为普通的藏人会这样看,否则无以解释当我到达西藏时我所受到的热情款待,否则无以解释当我在古修哪书吧中藏族营业员看到我T恤上的藏文时露出的欣喜笑容。这件T恤不过是我在成都街头一间普通户外用品店购买的而已。

所以,请你在说所谓汉文化排挤和冲击藏文化的时候,主语不要用“我们”,而应该用“我”或者“有些人”(如果你也没有做过的话)。

我承认有些人到了西藏以后常常会表现出一种高人一等的姿态,我在古修哪书吧就碰到过,以北京人和上海人中比例为高。但是我也并不认为他们是在以汉文化排挤或冲击藏文化。他们的身上其实只不过表现出了一种自以为是的暴发户心态而已。而这,好像与民族之间扯不上什么关系。

所以,请你在描述汉文化对藏文化的排挤和冲击时,说出具体的事实,在说我们汉人如何如何的时候,请仔细想一下是否大多数汉人都是这样的。

我在这里还是提示你一下吧:汉文化对藏文化最大的冲击发生于公元643年之后,那一年文成公主抵达逻些,当时还不叫拉萨的拉萨。文成公主带去最为珍贵的礼物就是现在被奉养在拉萨的释迦等身像和随行的众多工匠、医生以及一个图书馆。请注意我这里说的拉萨是狭义上的拉萨,也就是大昭寺所在地,这个原先被称为逻些,后来改名叫作拉萨的地方。

大陆愤青 回复 悄悄话 楼主说:“不过据报道,现在每天有约6000汉人涌入拉萨,拉萨现在主要街道有238家卡拉OK歌舞厅,658家酒馆。布达拉宫旁边盖了个游乐场,回教的清真寺也纷纷兴起。年青的藏族小孩也不好好念经了,整天上网吧打游戏。对于当地藏人来说不是汉文化冲击是什么。”

首先,想问一下,“据报道”,是什么地方、什么时间、什么新闻媒体上的报道?
第二、如果报道属实,请问这6000汉人是去定居的吗?如果是,那么只需要1年时间,拉萨街头应该全部拥挤的都是汉人,可为什么现在看到的却是拉萨街头藏族朋友占多数?如果不是定居,那么应当是旅游为主,这似乎正是散播藏文化的好事啊。因为我相信这6000多旅游者应当是象楼主这样仰慕藏文化者居多才对呀,否则他为什么去西藏旅游呢?
第三、卡拉OK好像是日本人的发明,网吧更是自由、文明、交流沟通的象征互联网的副产品吧,好像无论如何也算不到汉文化的范畴里来吧,楼主的这段话千万不要被自由主义者或是美国人看到呀。自由主义者会认为你居然认为网吧这样的自由承载体属于汉文化范畴,会唾弃你的;美国人会告你侵犯了他的互联网发明权的。
第四、汉人好像信回教的不多,回教也不是汉人创立的,这个也算做汉文化的冲击,好像比CNN还要CNN,比CCTV还要CCTV哦。
第五、好像我前面的回帖没有看到出现,能否悄悄问一下楼主,这是怎么回事?
nnuu1688 回复 悄悄话 如果看文章,Dalai可能是不错的僧人,但同时他的政冶角色不是他自己能选择的,我们说,听其言观其行,这行才是关键,君不见希德勒当年的文章也写的不错吗
Tender 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

楼主这个说法不太合适。

“现在每天有约6000汉人涌入拉萨”

汉人做什么了?绝大多数是帮助西藏发展了经济。少数败类有,包括藏人自己。可不能一棒子打死所有人吧?


“拉萨现在主要街道有238家卡拉OK歌舞厅,658家酒馆。布达拉宫旁边盖了个游乐场,回教的清真寺也纷纷兴起。年青的藏族小孩也不好好念经了,整天上网吧打游戏。对于当地藏人来说不是汉文化冲击是什么。”

卡拉OK歌舞厅,酒馆,游乐场,上网吧打游戏,是汉文化还是西方文化?

回教的清真寺,跟汉文化就更八杆子也打不着了。

“有些问题要站在对方的立场来看”“汉藏两族以后还要在一起生活”。要处理好民族和文化的关系,这个我坚决同意。但这个是需要双方都有诚意,而且不是放在嘴上的那种。
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复Tender的评论:

I am not a fan of Dalai Lama, because he is still the ruler / president of his so called government and still seeking to separate Tibet from China.

However, I do find some of his quotes are not bad at all.




All major religious traditions carry basically the same message, that is love, compassion and forgiveness the important thing is they should be part of our daily lives.
Dalai Lama

Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.
Dalai Lama

Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.
Dalai Lama

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe.
Dalai Lama

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.
Dalai Lama

If you have a particular faith or religion, that is good. But you can survive without it.
Dalai Lama

If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.
Dalai Lama

In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher.
Dalai Lama

It is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them.
Dalai Lama

It is very important to generate a good attitude, a good heart, as much as possible. From this, happiness in both the short term and the long term for both yourself and others will come.
Dalai Lama

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive.
Dalai Lama

My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.
Dalai Lama

Old friends pass away, new friends appear. It is just like the days. An old day passes, a new day arrives. The important thing is to make it meaningful: a meaningful friend - or a meaningful day.
Dalai Lama

Open your arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
Dalai Lama

Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them.
Dalai Lama

Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck.
Dalai Lama

Sleep is the best meditation.
Dalai Lama

Sometimes one creates a dynamic impression by saying something, and sometimes one creates as significant an impression by remaining silent.
Dalai Lama

Spend some time alone every day.
Dalai Lama

The purpose of our lives is to be happy.
Dalai Lama

The roots of all goodness lie in the soil of appreciation for goodness.
Dalai Lama

The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual's own reason and critical analysis.
Dalai Lama

There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness.
Dalai Lama

This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.
Dalai Lama

Today, more than ever before, life must be characterized by a sense of Universal responsibility, not only nation to nation and human to human, but also human to other forms of life.
Dalai Lama

We can live without religion and meditation, but we cannot survive without human affection.
Dalai Lama

We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves.
Dalai Lama

Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace.
Dalai Lama

Whether one believes in a religion or not, and whether one believes in rebirth or not, there isn't anyone who doesn't appreciate kindness and compassion.
Dalai Lama

With realization of one's own potential and self-confidence in one's ability, one can build a better world.
Dalai Lama
Tender 回复 悄悄话 一只碗不响,两只碗叮珰。中共治国的问题确实太多,但西藏绝对不是一个汉族压制藏族的问题。楼主既然对藏传佛教有所了解,起码应该知道它是政教合一的吧?那现今哪个政府允许一个宗教来推翻自己呢?除了危及政权统治的时候,藏族人民在中国所享有的福利和自由至少比普通汉人是要多的。

我对藏传佛教了解不多。仅有的一些印象是从武侠小说里来的:西域来的邪教和僧人,因为会作法害人,手段很恐怖。当然了,这是武侠小说,本来就没有什么真东西在里头。不过有一点可以肯定,藏传佛教(金刚乘,密宗)和我们平时所了解的佛教(大乘,小乘)是大大的不同的。

最近因为西藏事件补了一点点功课,才知道原来那武侠小说还真不是那么随意乱写的。当然了,所看到的资料也未必全都属实。我也会看看楼主推荐的达赖作品,再做比较。楼主是不是也温习一下功课,听听反对达赖的声音呢?网上都有,而且是西方人写的,应该有一些可信度的。
noso 回复 悄悄话 To you all:

呵呵,不法藏民暴乱的确需要镇压。

不过据报道,现在每天有约6000汉人涌入拉萨,拉萨现在主要街道有238家卡拉OK歌舞厅,658家酒馆。布达拉宫旁边盖了个游乐场,回教的清真寺也纷纷兴起。年青的藏族小孩也不好好念经了,整天上网吧打游戏。对于当地藏人来说不是汉文化冲击是什么。

有些问题要站在对方的立场来看。镇压反抗可以到达暂时的平静。汉藏两族以后还要在一起生活。处理不好民族和文化的关系,以后拉萨就是中国的耶路撒冷。
leeeekin 回复 悄悄话 别人杀人不是你也杀人的理由。为什么全世界都有反美情绪?: )

再不反对全世界就被美国一家抢光了,也不说给人剩下点。当然全世界都有反美情绪。
偶然路过的人 回复 悄悄话 一个开悟的有智慧的喇嘛, 会纵容佛教信徒屠杀平民, 烧毁学校? 楼主真是有够无耻.

你可别告诉我不是达喇指使的, 这句话连西方都不信. 你也别说什么无奈, 如果一个信仰的复兴不得不建立在对无辜妇孺的残杀上, 这种文化早灭早好.
happyyu 回复 悄悄话 无论哪个政党执政,如果出卖国家利益都没有好下场。
smith34 回复 悄悄话 free tibet, free china, communist government out,

anybody think of who should lead the government??????
aol 回复 悄悄话 作者想得太简单了。

西方支持达赖是因为西方列强为了他们的经济利益而遏制中国的棋子,由于西方是民主国家,他们做的政策要得到民众的支持,于是那些西方政府就用高级包装术把达赖打造成有魅力的宗教领袖。

我认为达赖认为的汉藏文化冲突,其实是西方文化和藏文化的冲突,政教分离、市场经济、现代化的商品都是西方发明的,连达赖自己年轻时有洋人老师,现在到处说英语,我就不信他的思维是纯西藏的,他被欧美同化。

其实西藏人民应该感到幸运,如果西藏和欧美列强做邻居,西方列强早就把西藏给灭了,欧美基督教十字军也要把藏传佛教给灭了,大家看看西方列强如何对待他们国家的穆斯林移民就知道了。
都市红尘 回复 悄悄话 如果你在西藏呆上2年,如果你在西藏工作2年,你就不会认为汉族在西藏的优势地位,相反,汉族在西藏就是二等公民
ydyd 回复 悄悄话 一位汉人为什么会告一位藏族年青人要学好自己民族语言呢?
ydyd 回复 悄悄话 谁知道僧人中有多少富家子第?
biz101 回复 悄悄话 I totally agree with you on this: "我觉得西藏的问题有两个不能让步:一是西藏是中国领土,不可分割。二是对待犯罪分子要违法必究。" However "如果我们不喜欢美国文化对中国文化在中国的排挤和冲击,我们也不要对藏文化进行有意识和无意识的汉化或同化。" is questionable. No one force anything on anyone. I talked to one of my American collegue who has just came back from Tibet not long time ago. He told me that lots of the tibetans welcome the changes since they are economically better off than before. Of course there will always be different opinions and different voices, but you can not deny that government's favoribile policies for minorities in China, including tibetans. One child policy only applies to Han majority, minorities can carry weapons anywhere. A friend of mine told me a story on the train when he was in China few years ago. His and other few seats were taken by group of Tibetans, each of them has a knife with them. He told those guys that it is his seat. Those Tibetans ignored him. He finally went to police on the train, that police does not want to touch those guys. I think situation would have been much different if the offenders are not Tibetans. The conflicts are there, but why Han is always the one to be blamed?
This world is not a closed one anymore. Tibetans and other minorities live every where in China, why people of other nationals can not live in Tibet? For those people who resists changes are going to end up living in a closed society and they and their decedents are going to lose lots of opportunities, getting poor and poor and maybe dumber. Only those with speical interest would like Tibet be closed to majority of people in China.
bluecurrent 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

hehe,西藏是下午两点开始的。。。

那一次是下午八点整,也就是北京时间的六点,大家正好都要下班回家。。。。所有的维族人看见 街上的汉人,就疯狂的打砸抢,用随身带的刀子捅。。。当天所有的医院住满了受伤的汉人。这种疯狂持续了几天。。。他们冲击很多重要部门,每个单位都组织起了自卫队。 后来部队来了。终于止住了。。。然后就是 让自首,呵呵,没有抓住几个,汉人根本不敢动他们的毫毛。。。

所有的小学中学停课了4个月。即时后来复课了,常发生警报 然后我们都像惊弓之鸟 飞回家。 大概有四五年,一到天黑,大街上面看不到一个汉人,都躲在家中。

呵呵,汉人也挺不容易的。倒霉的总是我们这些老百姓。

Have a nice weekend!



grouj 回复 悄悄话 这是政治问题,不是宗教问题,也不要扯上文化。
HCC 回复 悄悄话 I actually agree with you on this one.
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复happyyu的评论:

哈哈哈哈~~~~
happyyu 回复 悄悄话 西方也挺郁闷,为什麽吃了N多年的Macdonnald 和KFC这些垃圾食品,喝了N多年的可乐,看了N多年的好莱坞大片,听了N多年的VOA和CNN,你们这帮家伙还能被gcd洗脑!?gcd,牛,真牛!
noso 回复 悄悄话 这些是达赖喇嘛写的书,反对他的可以当毒草来批判。

Ancient Wisdom, Modern World - Ethics for a New Millennium
This latest book by His Holiness the Dalai Lama is the first major publication in recent years since the best selling autobiography Freedom In Exile, His Holiness calls for a revolution - not a political, an economic, a technical or even a religious revolution, but a spiritual revolution to help us through the moral maze of modern life.
Advice from Buddha Shakyamuni
A brief outline and commentary on the discipline to be observed by a fully ordained Tibetan Buddhist monk.

Aryasura's Aspiration and a Meditation on Compassion
Four texts on compassion: a bodhisattva's aspirational prayer by the Indian poet Aryasura, and its commentary by the second Dalai Lama; plus The Inseparability of the Spiritual Master and Avalokiteshvara and a talk on activating compassion, both by the present Dalai Lama.

Awakening the Mind, Lightening the Heart
A practical instruction book on developing compassion in our daily lives through simple meditations that directly relate to past and present relationships. The Dalai Lama gives a commentary on the classic 14th century Kadampa work Rays of the Sun, Training of the Mind famous for its potency in awakening compassion in the human heart.

Beyond Dogma
Here His Holiness talks simply and movingly about the path to peace and the future of the planet, seeking to show that true enlightenment can only come from within each of us.

Bodh Gaya Interviews
His Holiness the Dalai Lama 1981-85

A collection of interviews with His Holiness on various topics such as politics, Christianity, particle physics, Tantra, emptiness and liberation.

Buddhism of Tibet And the Key to the Middle Way
Translated by Jeffrey Hopkins


A combined volume comprising an introduction to Tibetan Buddhism, a layman's guide to enlightenment and instructions for meditation on emptiness.

Commentary on the 37 Practices of a Bodhisattva
Commentary by the Dalai Lama on the classic text by Thogmed Zangpo, given at Bodh Gaya in 1974.

Cultivating a Daily Meditation
Two discourses in which His Holiness touches upon the essential points of the Dharma and provides a clear and simple method to cultivate a daily practice of meditation. He also explains how we should proceed in the effort to generate both the heart of compassion and the expansive view of emptiness in our daily life.

Dalai Lama at Harvard
Lectures on the Buddhist Path to Peace
A series of lectures given by His Holiness at Harvard University, providing an introduction to Buddhist theory and practice and covering a wide spectrum of important issues.

Dalai Lama's Little Book of Wisdom
This inspirational volume offers encouragement to anyone seeking a more peaceful and liberating way of life. With poignant simplicity the Dalai Lama shares his perspective on such enduring themes as love, religion, justice, human rights, poverty, cultural conflict and protection of the environment.

Dialogues on Universal Responsibility and Education
Drawn from two workshops held in New Delhi between the Dalai Lama and a group of Indian scholars, philosophers, teachers and social reformers. Taking the concept of universal responsibility as their basis the participants discuss ways to bring about humanitarian change in our society, whilst also focusing on education to effect positive change.

Essential Teachings
Instruction on the 37 practices for the cultivation of bodhicitta - the Mind of Enlightenment - and how these practices can be applied, particularly in Western society.

Flash of Lightning in the Dark of Night
His Holiness presents a detailed manual of practical philosophy based on the Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life. He explains and amplifies the text verse by verse, alluding throughout to the experience of daily life and showing how anyone can develop a truly good heart.

Four Noble Truths
Based on talks given at the London Barbican in 1996, this is an essential guide to the fundamental teaching of Buddhism.

Freedom in Exile
The Autobiography of the Dalai Lama of Tibet
An updated autobiography following the award of the Nobel Peace Prize, in which the Dalai Lama talks freely of his life and the tragic story of Tibet, and also discusses contemporary issues.

Gelug/Kagyu Tradition of Mahamudra
Dalai Lama / Berzin A


Mahamudra is a system of meditation that directly addresses the habituated perception of duality, the source of all suffering. The Gelug/Kagyu tradition of Mahamudra laid out in the text presented here was formulated by the First Panchen Lama, using Kagyu-style techniques for recognising the conventional nature of the mind, and Gelug techniques for recognising its deepest nature.

Generous Wisdom
Commentaries on the Jatakamala
A set of four teachings on the Garland of Birth Stories of the Buddha, the main theme of which is the perfection of generosity of the bodhisattvas, but which also includes the perfections of ethics and patience, dependent-arising and karma.

Healing Anger
The Power of Patience from a Buddhist Perspective
Translated by Thupten Jinpa


The Dalai Lama offers many techniques and methods for developing patience that are relevant not only to Buddhists but to everyone seeking to improve their lives. He bases his discussion on the section on Patience from A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life, one of the best-known Buddhist books on developing the qualities of a Bodhisattva.

Joy of Living and Dying in Peace
Core Teachings of Tibetan Buddhism


From the Library of Tibet series, this book gives essential Buddhist teachings, and the Dalai Lama's own thoughts on achieving a meaninful life & death.

Kindness, Clarity and Insight
Translated by Hopkins J & Napper E


A warm and inspiring collection of talks given by the Dalai Lama in North America, speaking to people everywhere of the importance of kindness, love, and compassion.

Love, Kindness and Universal Responsibility
In a compilation of three previous works, the Dalai Lama here reveals his personal philosophy, based on the concept of universal responsibility and reverence for all living beings.

Meaning of Life from a Buddhist Perspective
Translated & Edited by Jeffrey Hopkins


Teachings on Buddhist philosophy, based on the 'Twelve Links of Dependent Arising' depicted in the famous Buddhist image of the Wheel of Life.

My Land and My People
Memoirs of the Dalai Lama
The dignified and compelling autobiography of H H the 14th Dalai Lama, spiritual and temporal leader of Tibet. A tragic yet deeply in spiring book, the whole vivid and moving story is told with the gentle forgiving spirit of a Buddhist monk. New Edition.

My Tibet
Personal reflections by the Tibetan leader to match the incredibly beautiful photographs of the land he was forced to flee in 1959. With 118 colour illustrations. "My religion is simple, my religion is kindness".

Opening the Mind & Generating a Good Heart
A concise survey of Buddhist training explaining how generating kindness is the core of the Buddha's teaching.

Path to Bliss
A Practical Guide to Stages of Meditation
Translated by Thupten Jinpa


Based on an oral lectures given on Panchen Lobsang Chökyi Gyaltsen's Lam Rim text, Path to Bliss Leading to Omniscience.

Path to Enlightenment
Translated by Glenn H. Mullin


In these extensive isntructions based on the famous Tibetan text, Essence of Refined Gold by the Third Dalai Lama, His Holiness beautifully elucidates the meaning of the Path to Enlightenment through his own direct spiritual advice and personal reflections.

Policy of Kindness
An Anthology of Writings By and About the Dalai Lama
". . . the selections have substance, are beautifully written, and cultivate a rich sense of versatility on themes that range from an intimate look at the life of the Dalai Lama to his thoughts on many topics." - The Book Review

Power of Buddhism
The Dalai Lama speaks on the issues of contemporary life in this important set of dialogues held with esteemed French film writer Jean-Claude Carrière. (Published elsewhere as Violence and Compassion).

Power of Compassion
Many people have asked the Dalai Lama to speak on the current difficulties facing humanity. In these talks given in London he speaks about a wide range of issues, including war in Bosnia, racial hatred, gender and environmental protection. He describes clearly and simply how to live and die well, and how to infuse one's life with wisdom and compassion.

Sleeping, Dreaming and Dying
This book is the account of an historic dialogue between leading Western scientists and the Dalai Lama, in his position of one of the foremost representatives of Buddhism today. Revolving around the three key transitional states of sleep, dreams and death, the conversations recorded here took place at the fourth Mind and Life Conference in Dharamsala, India. Whether the topic is lucid dreaming, near-death experience, or the very structure of consciousness itself, the participants continually surprise with their discoveries of convergences and divergences between their respective traditions.

Transcendent Wisdom
Commentary on the Ninth Chapter of Shantideva's Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way ofLife


From an oral teaching on the complex and profound view of emptiness, positing the ultimate mode of existence of all phenomena.

Union of Bliss and Emptiness
A commentary on the Lama Chöpa guru yoga, explaining the actual practice on the basis of Guhyasamaja, the preliminaries such as self-generation on the basis of Yamantaka and the performing of offerings and so forth according to Heruka. Meant for initiates only.

Universal Responsibility and the Good Heart
A collection of articles and interviews with the present Dalai Lama reflecting his thoughts and activities over the past twenty years.

Violence and Compassion
The Dalai Lama speaks out for the first time on the issues of contemporary life in this important set of dialogues held with esteemed French film writer Jean-Claude Carrière. His Holiness exhibits his characteristic warmth and clear thinking throughout but what is most valuable about these discussions is his ability to cut through to the essence.

Way to Freedom
An essential primer on Tibetan Buddhism, presented in easy-to-understand steps based on the classic Lam Rim, or 'Stages of the Path to Enlightenment' teachings.

World of Tibetan Buddhism
Translated and edited by Thubten Jinpa


This work consists of three parts: a general introduction and overview of basic theories and practices; a commentary on selected readings from Shantideva's Bodhicaryavatara; and a discussion of tantra.
雁过留声007 回复 悄悄话 藏文化跟许多传统文化一样需要保护,但在传媒这么发达,市场经济起主导作用的现代社会恐怕没那么容易。藏文化是什么?语言,宗教还是理念?一个社会形态不能与时俱进,那终会被淘汰,就象动物世界适者生存一样。没什么稀奇。
BBC说中国年轻人都被官方宣传洗脑了,我看他们也是同样被洗过的,只不过用的洗洁精不同,残留物不同而已。
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复bluecurrent的评论:

" 我们这些汉人是不是要从这些有宗教信仰的人们身上去学习一些东西呢? 而不是一味的要逐渐取代或剥夺他们的文化和信仰,最后都沦落为信奉金钱的势力之徒?"

说的太好了。 新疆你最有发言全。
redlight 回复 悄悄话 这次暴乱的主角是谁?就是那群不劳动吃白饭的和尚,和尚最拍什么?就怕藏人不奉养他们,抛弃他们,所以拼命回到以前的农奴制度,由和尚来奴隶藏人。这次暴乱不就是区区的一千多和尚加打手吗?藏人有两百多万,看来达赖,和尚是没前途了,没有群众的支持,这群和尚估计只有啃树皮的分了。
noso 回复 悄悄话 回复无盐女的评论:

别人杀人不是你也杀人的理由。为什么全世界都有反美情绪?: )
redlight 回复 悄悄话 一个群体失去了世袭的利益,从未放弃过试图卷土重来。这就是藏独群体。
藏传佛教之精髓,西方人其实根本不明白。西方政府对达赖的追捧和对藏独的支持,出发点是国际利益抗衡和‘唯恐天下不乱’。
至于那些诸如趁到上海演出的机会或者混到长城上边吆喝藏独之流,完全就是扯蛋了。有参加了这种吆喝的西人,私底下都承认自己从未去过西藏也不知道究竟是怎么回事,而且告诉我们他们出来吆喝是‘群众演员’那种,是有报酬的。
基于此,咱凭什么过度反省?!该干嘛干嘛。发展和强大才是硬道理。

happyyu 回复 悄悄话 去过青岛吗?一下飞机全是铺天盖地的韩文,让人怀疑是到了韩国。这是开放?还是文化入侵?年轻人都爱听西方音乐,谁还耐烦听京剧?你能从你的自身愿望来强迫吗?单从这些来判断民族文化的保护太幼稚。另外,您对‘国与国之间只有利益没有友谊’理解的还差的远呢。国内老百姓都知道,‘只有永恒的利益没有永恒的朋友’。所以看到中共和忘恩复义的越南,北韩从新把酒言欢都能理解。
无盐女 回复 悄悄话 美国印第安人的文化到哪里去了?他们有一个像西藏这样的自治区吗?魁北克为什么没有独立成呢?北爱尔兰呢?什么时候独立?
LEOTHECAT 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:
"来自内地的汉人和回族商人除了自己赚个底儿朝天以外对当地社区没有什么贡献" 不用交税吗?经念得再多也要吃穿。来自内地的汉人和回族商人不是给当地人带来了方便和繁华? STARBUCKS 也不一样开到故宫里?
同意shavignon 的说法。宗教问题不过是个幌子,一个借口罢了.
如果达赖当初不出逃,西藏又独立成功,美国早就找里由出兵西藏,而达赖就会像伊拉克的侯赛因一样。
bluecurrent 回复 悄悄话 回复noso的评论:

新疆西藏的问题都很复杂。可怜的是西藏有个达赖喇嘛,总是背黑锅。

西藏的骚乱,只不过是现在时代发达了,资讯发达了,怎么也掩盖不住了,大家都知道了。其实80年初西藏的边远地区就有骚乱。我本人很小的时候就亲历过新疆穆斯林的骚乱,情形和今天的拉萨一样。

为什么我们的社会发展了,经济实力变强了,为什么在这两个地区总是出现民族宗教问题。这对于无神论的一切以经济利益为导向的统治者们,他们是不是应该反省一下?

我们这些汉人是不是要从这些有宗教信仰的人们身上去学习一些东西呢? 而不是一味的要逐渐取代或剥夺他们的文化和信仰,最后都沦落为信奉金钱的势力之徒?
回复 悄悄话 dongbei111, 李总统,kktt7809,gg1234, 你们的看法综合起来,正是我的看法啊!
回复 悄悄话 回复gugler的评论:
同意你的看法,一个人说甚么,可以有很大的欺骗性。做的事才说明问题。
clsdavid 回复 悄悄话 这次暴乱的主角是谁?就是那群不劳动吃白饭的和尚,和尚最拍什么?就怕藏人不奉养他们,抛弃他们,所以拼命回到以前的农奴制度,由和尚来奴隶藏人。这次暴乱不就是区区的一千多和尚加打手吗?藏人有两百多万,看来达赖,和尚是没前途了,没有群众的支持,这群和尚估计只有啃树皮的分了。
noso 回复 悄悄话 回楼下各位留言:

我觉得西藏的问题有两个不能让步:一是西藏是中国领土,不可分割。二是对待犯罪分子要违法必究。在文化上,要保护和发扬藏文化,让藏民们在遵守国家法律的前提下真正做到自治自理。

如果我们不喜欢美国文化对中国文化在中国的排挤和冲击,我们也不要对藏文化进行有意识和无意识的汉化或同化。拉萨市现在除了几个风景区还有藏族特色外,很多地方同内陆城市没什么区别。满大街是游客到处在做生意,一个好端端的宗教圣地成了个大的菜市场。来自内地的汉人和回族商人除了自己赚个底儿朝天以外对当地社区没有什么贡献。为什么暴徒们要砸汉人商铺?他们的行为是违法的,但他们仇恨的理由也可以说是充分。

当然,也许我们在美国呆久了,想问题可能有些天真了。但从人性和人本主义角度出发来看问题,我个人认为是自己在思想上的一个进步。

至于达赖喇嘛是什么人,就看个人的理解了。

本文只代表个人观点,欢迎大家畅所欲言。
lihuanhuan2003 回复 悄悄话 好多愤青哟!
shavignon 回复 悄悄话 本人觉得在西藏的问题上,根本已经不事宗教的问题的。宗教问题不过是个幌子,一个借口罢了。能告诉我,从古至今有多少战争不是以宗教为名义的呢?
背后都只是利益分配的问题,或者说是政治。
还说是宗教问题,太天真了。
gugler 回复 悄悄话 再看看达赖的支持者之一:(好像也是本-拉登的支持者之一吧)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad02.html
gugler 回复 悄悄话 看看达赖的好弟子之一:
http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Part-2-13.htm
woyaonahan 回复 悄悄话 从楼下很多人的发言就可以看出共产文化的可怕,共产邪教对汉人传统文化的摧残都这样了,藏传文化也在劫难逃啊. 新一代的红卫兵正在"茁壮成长."
shavignon 回复 悄悄话 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpuDTit_pcM&feature=related

有人看过这个视频么?
火柴的柴 回复 悄悄话 一个群体失去了世袭的利益,从未放弃过试图卷土重来。这就是藏独群体。
藏传佛教之精髓,西方人其实根本不明白。西方政府对达赖的追捧和对藏独的支持,出发点是国际利益抗衡和‘唯恐天下不乱’。
至于那些诸如趁到上海演出的机会或者混到长城上边吆喝藏独之流,完全就是扯蛋了。有参加了这种吆喝的西人,私底下都承认自己从未去过西藏也不知道究竟是怎么回事,而且告诉我们他们出来吆喝是‘群众演员’那种,是有报酬的。
基于此,咱凭什么过度反省?!该干嘛干嘛。发展和强大才是硬道理。

bqyi 回复 悄悄话 崔健5月3号在湾区一场演出提醒你一声.
atene 回复 悄悄话 建议楼主看“An Interview with Victoria and Victor Trimondi"以及他们的书“The Shadow of the Dalai Lama: Sexuality, Magic and Politics in Tibetan Buddhism”
gugler 回复 悄悄话 >> 在美国有机会接触到达赖喇嘛的文字和视听,我觉得他的确是一个精神领袖,一个开悟的有智慧的喇嘛,
要是让撒旦来讲耶和华神,他会讲得比任何一个牧师,神父都清楚,因为他比谁都了解神。所以他也更糊弄人,迷惑人。
>> 他是不是披着羊皮的狼,就看你怎么去理解他了
他要是公开反对农奴制,承认旧西藏制度的腐败,他还可以说是个披着羊皮的人,要不然只能是狼了。既然是所谓“和平奖”人士,对打砸抢怎么一点都不动心呢?伊拉克死了那么多平民,4000美国人,他放了个屁了吗?他是披着不知道什么皮的狼。历史会说真话的。看吧!
滚子刀肉 回复 悄悄话 国际政治只有利益,没有原则.比如西方国家就不会支持法西之间的巴斯克独立运动, 若法西两国一不小心是GCD国家了, 美英立马就会支持他们的独立运动的.

ggg1234 回复 悄悄话 人与人,族群与族群间永远都会有利益纷争.再过一千年也是如此.看看历史吧,一味怀柔并不能解决问题,只能使反对势力坐大.该打压就得打压.
kktt7809 回复 悄悄话 honestjhn 说的对。许多政策对他们太优惠了。

同意“老共就是因为对藏人太通融了才造就了今天的白眼狼.要是向老美或奥大利亚学着点,先把印地安人和奥洲Aborigines杀的不剩几个,再把他们剩余的完全西化了的做法哪会养大现今西藏的这批贱奴啊?!”
笔畅 回复 悄悄话 周先生,您把我们的共产党看得太幼稚了吧?您认为只有汉民族才能或者说独立建设社会主义国家吗?目光短浅。
李总统 回复 悄悄话 我想说的楼下几位基本都说了。历史上秦始皇和毛泽东在文化上所采取的策略是有危害性的一面的,但同时对建立一个统一稳定的国家起着重大的正面作用。这次西藏事件催人惊醒。拿中国对比一下同样有民族问题的美国、中东、塞尔维亚,就很清楚了。好多人(国家)站着说话不腰疼,也不看看自己的历史。说白了,那些人其实都是想自己国家统一强大永远做老大,而其他国家小国寡民永远做孙子。
dongbei111 回复 悄悄话 "达赖喇嘛一直被描写成一个反革命卖国贼,民族分裂主义者,披着羊皮的狼。
可是为什么他在西方世界还会这么受欢迎?为什么老有政界显要要站出来给他说话为他撑腰?"

答案很简单,因为达赖是在进行分裂中国的活动,这正和一些西方国家的意。如果他达赖试试鼓吹分裂西方某国,其所受待遇肯定不一样。
同意楼下两位的说法,怀柔政策过度了,适得其反。

honestjohn 回复 悄悄话 西藏是全中国民族文化保护得最好的地方,比美国澳大利亚之流更是强百倍。但保护不等于不要发展,不要现代化。文化大革命是对文化的冲击(好坏先放一边),对民族融合并没有坏处,反而有好处。新疆、西藏这些地方乱起来,恰恰是在“拨乱反正”以后。治理一个国家不是靠“行善”这么简单,有的情况强力镇压就是最大的“行善”。
好望角骆驼 回复 悄悄话 你这是典型的50/50,先去看看书吧,才会知道什么是喇嘛教。精神领袖?
铜头 回复 悄悄话 真是Not So Smart! 老共就是因为对藏人太通融了才造就了今天的白眼狼.要是向老美或奥大利亚学着点,先把印地安人和奥洲Aborigines杀的不剩几个,再把他们剩余的完全西化了的做法哪会养大现今西藏的这批贱奴啊?!
周子衡 回复 悄悄话 愿望不错,但是如果有人(异地的强者?)成心不让你们和谐融洽,每年拨款养着跟你捣乱作对的人,恐怕一厢情愿的怀柔也不会永远生效。至于说达赖是狼还是精神领袖,就冲他从小受最好教育,多年在洋人中厮混,可至今还是说一口破烂英语,发音,词汇,表达全部烂糟,我就不信他真是个“活佛”。
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