道格拉斯·麦格雷戈上校 以色列与伊朗战争的真相

Colonel Douglas Macgregor Reveals Truth on Israel War with Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6oO8yngsjA
Cyrus Janssen

2024年8月22日  
Israel and Iran are going to war and it has the potential to involve multiple Middle East countries, other countries like Russia and China and most definitely the United States. We ask Colonel Douglas Macgregor to share his thoughts on this conflict and what it means for the future of our world.

道格拉斯·麦格雷戈上校揭露以色列与伊朗战争的真相

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6oO8yngsjA
赛勒斯·詹森

2024 年 8 月 22 日
以色列和伊朗即将开战，有可能涉及多个中东国家、俄罗斯和中国等其他国家，当然还有美国。我们请道格拉斯·麦格雷戈上校分享他对这场冲突的看法，以及它对我们世界未来的意义。

道格拉斯·麦格雷戈上校简介

道格拉斯·麦格雷戈

以色列人可能犯下的最大错误就是使用任何种类的核武器，我一直担心，如果他们进入黎巴嫩南部，考虑到他们在塔马斯战役中遭受的损失以及目前以色列地面部队的状况，他们可能会倾向于使用战术核武器，如果他们这样做，那么所有赌注都将被取消，他们很可能遭受核攻击，事实上，人们非常公开地表示，我说的是外交部长以下级别的人，这是声明的结束，换句话说，就我们而言，以色列现在已经不在考虑范围内了。

赛勒斯·詹森

我是道格拉斯·麦格雷戈上校，美国国防部长前高级顾问。上校一直是乌克兰战争和以色列加沙战争中最受欢迎的发言人之一。这是我对上校的采访的第二部分，我们特别关注以色列和伊朗之间爆发更大规模区域战争的可能性。本周早些时候，以色列击毙真主党最高指挥官。真主党指挥官在黎巴嫩被以色列国防军无人机袭击后被击毙，随后以色列国防军发布了空中镜头，显示了针对侯赛因·伊布拉伊姆·卡萨布的无人机袭击。正如您将在今天的采访中听到的那样，以色列的邻国对以色列给该地区带来的不稳定越来越不耐烦。伊朗目前正在为其提供主要军事支持，包括俄罗斯、中国和土耳其。我们将向上校询问更多有关这些细节的信息在今天的采访中，但最终，中东的这场冲突给美国带来了巨大的压力，正如我们在过去 10 个月中看到的那样，为什么美国感受到压力，内塔尼亚胡向世界证明了他控制着美国国会内部令人难以置信的影响力，以色列继续战争并在未来生存的唯一途径就是得到美国政府的支持，但代价是什么，听听约翰·米默教授的解释吧，约翰，事实是，这些天展示的是，以色列严重依赖美国的明显证据，他们无法打这些战争，如果没有美国的支持，他们就无法继续这样下去，我们在 2024 年给了他们 180 亿美元，想想那 180 亿美元，赛勒斯·詹森，在今天的节目中，你将了解以色列的行为如何给中东带来了巨大的不稳定，了解伊朗正在做什么来为它的报复，也讨论了内塔尼亚胡的未来，以及他对以色列和美国政府的极端控制对我们世界的未来意味着什么，现在让我们加入演播室的上校，开始吧，现在最大的威胁是内塔尼亚胡如何为与伊朗的战争做准备，当然是中东的战争，我们正在关注以色列，我们正在关注与伊朗的潜在升级，我想听听你今天的想法，因为我们正在关注一场潜在的核战争，我们正在关注美国肯定会深度参与，因为我们知道美国总是会支持以色列，正如你之前提到的，内塔尼亚胡控制着你知道的美国政府，我的意思是他在我们的政府和我们的政治中有着令人难以置信的影响力，无论是共和党还是民主党，但你对最近伊朗和以色列之间升级的局势有什么看法，你如何看待你会看到这种情况在未来几周和几个月内发生

道格拉斯·麦格雷戈

正如辛宁斯基先生迫切希望美国和北约参与他的战争一样，他真的希望以某种方式将美国武装部队与北约一起带入战争，因为这是他知道的唯一可以生存的方法，你也看到了内塔尼亚胡先生身上的类似现象，内塔尼亚胡先生从这场通过大规模驱逐和谋杀将阿拉伯人赶出以色列的十字军东征一开始就知道，唯一的办法就是在美国的帮助和援助下，他需要美国的军事力量来增强他的区域并保护他，到目前为止，他已经得到了他想要的大部分东西，但现在他已经非常明确地表示他想要扩大战争，他一再挑衅伊朗人，目的是促使伊朗发动袭击，然后他可以指出并说，看，他们是现在这里的侵略性危险一方，我们都必须努力摧毁伊朗，你知道，我认为这就是他希望看到的，俄罗斯和中国是如何反应的

Intro to Colonel Douglas Macgregor

Douglas McGregor

the biggest mistake the Israelis could
make would be to use a nuclear weapon of
any kind and I've always feared that if
they go into Southern Lebanon given the
losses that they've sustained against
tamas and the condition of the current
Israeli ground force that they would be
inclined to use a tactical nuclear
weapon if they do that then all bets are
off they they well could be subject to
nuclear attack in fact people are saying
quite openly and I'm talking about
people in the foreign offices at at the
level just below foreign minister this
this is the end of the Bal for
declaration in other words Israel as far
as we're concerned is off the table now.

Cyrus Janssen

this is Colonel Douglas McGregor the
former senior adviser to the US
Secretary of Defense the colonel has
been one of the most sought-after voices
on both the war in Ukraine and Israel's
war in Gaza this is part two of my
interview with the colonel where we
specifically focus on the potential of a
larger Regional War breaking out between
Israel and Iran earlier this week a top
Israel Kills Top Hezbollah Commander
Hezbollah Commander was killed in
Lebanon after an IDF drone strike which
was immediately followed by the Israeli
Defense Forces releasing aerial footage
showing the Drone strike that targeted
Hussein ibraim kassab as you'll hear in
today's interview Israel's neighbors are
growing impatient with the instability
that Israel is bringing to the region
Iran is currently bringing in major
military support behind them including
Russia China and turkey we'll ask the
colonel more about these details in
today's interview but ultimately this
conflict in the Middle East puts
enormous pressure on the United States
as we've seen over the past 10 months
Why the US is Feeling Pressure
Netanyahu has proven to the world that
he controls an incredible amount of
Leverage inside the US Congress the only
way that Israel can continue its war and
in reality survive in the future is with
the support of the US government but at
what cost just listen to professor John
mimer explain 

John
 
the truth what's on display these days is 
Manifest evidence that Israel is heavily dependent on the
United States they cannot fight these
wars they cannot continue like this
without American Support we have given
them $18 billion in 2024 just think
about that $18 billion dollar 

Cyrus Janssen

in today's episode you're going to learn how
Israel's actions has created tremendous
instability in the Middle East learn
what Iran is doing to prepare for its
revenge and also discuss the future of
Netanyahu and what his extreme control
over both the Israeli and US governments
means for the future of our world now
let's join the colonel in the studio and
get started the big threat right now is
How Netanyahu is Preparing for War with Iran
certainly a war in the Middle East we're
looking at Israel we're looking at the
potential escalation with Iran I want to
get your thoughts as of today because
we're looking at a potential you know
nuclear war here we're looking at the
United States certainly getting heavily
involved as we know United States is
always going to support Israel and as
you had mentioned earlier that Netanyahu
controls you know the United States
government I mean he is has an
unbelievable amount of reach inside our
government and our uh politics whether
that's Republican or Democrat but what
are your thoughts moving forward with
the recent escalations between Iran and
Israel and how do you see this going in
the next few weeks and months 

Douglas McGregor

well just as Mr sininsky is desperate to involve
us and nato in his War he really wants
to bring in the United States armed
forces in some fashion along with NATO
because it's the only way he knows that
he can survive you have a similar
Phenomenon with Mr Netanyahu Mr
Netanyahu has known from the very
beginning of this crusade to rid Israel
of its Arabs through Mass expulsion and
murder that the only way to do that is
with American help and and assistance he
needs American military power to augment
his Zone and protect him thus far he's
gotten most of what he wants but now
he's made it very clear he wants to
widen the war and he has provoked the
Iranians repeatedly with a goal a
precipitating an Iranian attack that he
could then point to and say see they are
the aggressive dangerous party here now
we must all work to destroy Iran and you
know I think that's what he would like
to see happen right there are some
How Russia and China Are Reacting 

这场战争的问题在于，第一个问题是，过去几周，俄罗斯外交部长、国防部长、安理会等连续访问伊朗，与伊朗建立了关系，导致大量俄罗斯导弹、俄罗斯电子战装备、俄罗斯雷达（包括 S400 甚至 S500 防空反导系统）抵达伊朗，很明显，俄罗斯目前在伊朗有数千人，他们承诺帮助伊朗保卫自己，这是第一，第二，就在今天早上，当然也可能是昨晚，这取决于你的时区，中国外交部长打电话与伊朗外交部长和最高领导人通话，向他们保证，中国与他们站在一起，如果伊朗主权受到威胁，他们将进行干预，现在他没有说干预，但我的意思是，言外之意是我们不会让你去吧，当然中国对荷鲁斯海峡有着巨大的兴趣，你知道如果他们无法获得天然气和石油，他们的生产引擎就会停止运转，所以我认为，这两个发展是我们应该密切关注的事情，现在看看沙特，他们的上司有埃及和约旦将在这场战争中做什么，现在说不，如果伊朗人要攻击以色列，我们不会去，我们不会帮助以色列，埃及人也说过同样的话，所以现在在埃及和约旦的约旦人，那些政府命悬一线，埃及的 CCE 将军约旦的阿卜杜拉国王处境非常非常脆弱，他们的人民无论对错都认为他们是以色列和美国的傀儡，不，他们必须仔细考虑他们的下一步行动，否则他们可能会消失，如果他们迅速消失，那么你将拥有绝对普遍敌视以色列，不仅会与伊朗合作，还会与土耳其合作，以对抗并摧毁以色列，人们说，哦，那永远不会发生，很多事情已经发生，每个人都说现在永远不会发生，我们沙特阿拉伯和伊朗之间的关系，人们认为这是不可能的，什叶派和逊尼派现在正在合作，对吧，这有点像奥尔斯特新教徒和爱尔兰天主教徒手挽手走在街上的那张照片，因为他们发现，真正的敌人不是彼此，而是这个外国外星人的存在和爱尔兰境内的全球主义政府，我们现在在中东也有一个类似的现实特征，人们说，无论我们的分歧是什么，我们都有一个更大的问题，因为记住以色列也是为什么每个人都害怕以色列使用核武器，每个人都知道以色列拥有核武器，每个人都害怕它会使用它们，这就是问题所在，我们和俄罗斯都不会故意使用核武器我们不会使用核武器来对抗对方，好吗？所以我们双方都有效地表示了这一点，好吗？当你去伊朗时，伊朗没有核武器，但它可以很快获得核武器。M 基本上说了同样的话，土耳其人总是能够获得核武器，因为他们与逊尼派巴基斯坦关系密切，所以现在整个地区都在慢慢沸腾，如果你愿意的话，以色列人可能犯的最大错误就是使用任何种类的核武器，我一直担心，如果他们进入黎巴嫩南部，考虑到他们在塔马斯遭受的损失和目前以色列地面部队的状况，他们会倾向于使用战术核武器，如果他们这样做，所有赌注都失败了，他们很可能受到核攻击，现在我不认为事情必须这样发展，你肯定可以用常规武器对彼此造成足够的伤害你不需要核武器，但我们知道以色列人拥有核武器，他们毫不犹豫地威胁使用核武器，在闭门会议和秘密渠道中使用核武器，这似乎没有产生曾经产生过的效果，效果已经发生了变化，过去，各个穆斯林国家会立即退缩，说你知道这不是我们想要的，但这不是现在中东闭门会议发生的事情，每个人都决定他们已经受够了以色列，事实上，人们公开表示，我说的是外交部长以下级别的人，他们说，这是宣言的结束，所有曾经做出的安排，换句话说，就我们而言，以色列现在不在讨论范围内，我们不会容忍它，所以我们会看到它，但这不是好事，问题是我们继续为什么美国会支持乌克兰和以色列来助长这种局势
Zhè chǎng zhànzhēng de wèntí zàiyú, dì yīgè w

ing to this War problems with it the first problem is
that the Russians you over the last several weeks through a successive visits of the foreign minister the defense minister the security Council and so forth have fashioned and a relationship with Iran that is resulted in the arrival in Iran of large numbers of Russian missiles Russian electronic warfare gear Russian Radars including S400 and even elements of the S500 air and missile defense systems it's very clear that the Russians have
thousands of people on the ground now in
Iran they have committed themselves to
help Iran defend itself so that's number
one number two just this morning of
course it may have been last night uh
depending upon your time zone the
Chinese foreign minister called to speak
specifically with the Iran foreign
minister and supreme leader and reassure
them that China stands with them that if
Iranian sovereignty is uh at risk that
they will intervene to help now he
didn't say intervene but I mean the
implication is we're not going to let
you go under right and of course China
has enormous interest in The Straits of
Horus correct you know if they can't get
access to the Natural Gas and the oil
their their production engine
effectively seizes up right so I think
that's th those two developments are
things that we should watch carefully
now look at the the Saudis the sais have
What Egypt and Jordan Will Do in This War
now said no if the Iranians are going to
attack Israel we're not going to we're
not going to assist Israel the Egyptians
have said the same thing so of the
jordanians right now in Egypt and Jordan
those those governments hang by a thread
General CCE in Egypt King Abdullah in
Jordan are on very very fragile ground
they are seen rightly or wrongly by
their populations as Israeli and
American puppets
no they've got to think carefully about
what their next moves are or they may
vanish and if they vanish quickly then
you will have governments that are
absolutely universally hostile 100% to
uh Israel and will cooperate not only
with Iran but also with the Turks right
to take on and Destroy Israel people say
oh well that'll never happen well an
awful lot has happened that everyone
said would never happen right now we
have a relationship between Saudi Arabia
and Iran that people thought was impossible the Shia and the Sunni are now cooperating right it's sort of like that
picture of the olster Protestants with
the Irish Catholics walking arm in-arm
down the street because they figured out
that the real enemy is not each other
but the this foreign alien presence and
this globalist government inside Ireland
we have a similar feature of reality striking now in the Middle East people are saying whatever our differences are we have a much bigger problem because remember Israel is also Why Everyone Fears Israel Using Nuclear Weapons the one state that everybody knows has
nuclear weapons and everybody fears will
use them that's the problem neither we
nor the Russians will deliberately employ the use of a nuclear weapon against each other we're not going to do
it okay so both of us have effectively
said that okay when you go to Iran which
does not have nuclear weapons but it can
get access to them very quickly has M
basically said the same thing the Turks
have always had access to a nuclear
weapon when they wanted it because of
their close relationship with Sunni
Pakistan so the whole area right now is
at a slow boil if you will okay the
biggest mistake the Israelis could make
would be to use a nuclear weapon of any
kind right and I've always feared that
if they go into Southern Lebanon given
the losses that they've sustained
against tamas and the condition of the
current Israeli ground force that they
would be inclined to use a tactical
nuclear weapon if they do that and all
bets are off they they well could be
subject to nuclear attack now I don't
think it has to go that way and you can
certainly do enough damage to each other
with conventional armaments that you
don't need nuclear weapons but we know
the Israelis have them and they they
don't hesitate to threaten that use
behind closed doors and in back channels
and that doesn't seem to have the effect
that it once did the effect has changed
in the past the various Muslim states
would back down immediately saying you
know that's not what we want but that's
not what's happening now behind closed
doors in the Middle East everyone has decided that they've had enough of Israel right in fact people are saying
quite openly and I'm talking about people in the foreign offices at at the level just below foreign minister they're saying uh this this is the end of the Bal for declaration and all the arrangements that were have ever been made in other words Israel as far as we're concerned is off the table now we're we're not going to tolerate it right so we'll see it's but it's not good and the problem is  that we continue Why the United States Will Support Ukraine and Israel to fuel this 

我们继续升级，我们可以阻止它，你知道你想停止乌克兰的战争，这很容易，你暂停对这个流氓政权的所有军事援助，我的意思是有多少亿美元被盗，放在塞浦路斯，塞浦路斯银行，阿尔巴尼亚银行，瑞士银行，不管是谁的猜测，这都是荒谬的胡说，我们应该向那个地方投入一分钱的想法是荒谬的，它一直都是如此，更糟糕的是，西方已经没有人性了，你必须看看乌克兰人民的困境，我怀疑塞宁斯基根本不在乎，我的意思是我们不知道有多少成千上万的儿童和妇女被贩卖，我们甚至无法从战争中推断出有多少人实际上被杀或离开这个国家，你知道现在他们谈论的是60万名乌克兰士兵的死亡，我记得当我说50万的时候，人们说哦，你疯了，不可能，不可能，现在的数字是 600,000，对吧，情况不会好转，只会让那里的人民变得更糟，我们能做的最好的事情就是暂停对那里的军事援助，提供人道主义援助，然后要求与俄罗斯进行某种面对面的讨论，乌克兰人是否在那里已经不重要了，这现在是一个超越乌克兰的问题，它涉及到欧洲和美国，我们应该这样看待它，我们应该达成某种对每个人都有意义的战略安排，对吧，但是这个政府不会这样做，他们会让尽可能多的人死去，以保持这种情况持续到选举，我担心的是，考虑到特朗普总统身边的人选，这在他的政府领导下也绝对可能发生，所以这不是好消息，所以什么时候会结束，它不会立即结束，但我认为在乌克兰结束它的可能性，在中东谈判结束它的可能性是非常困难，我认为两国解决方案的可能性已经消失，两国解决方案似乎没有任何通过的机会，我认为我认为那不是，我的意思是我们知道以色列对此没有兴趣，我认为这显然是内塔尼亚胡正在采取极端措施，我的意思是在他的完美世界中，我认为他会消灭每一个巴勒斯坦人，我的意思是他没有兴趣保护他们或任何事情，我的意思是这正是我们所看到的，我想特别谈谈内塔尼亚胡，因为我们看到以色列有反对内塔尼亚胡的抗议，我认为有很大的压力，我的意思是他显然来到美国进行这次大型巡回演出，试图争取国会的支持，把美国国旗放在他的肩上，试图真正游说人民，但我认为在美国这里显然有一场大运动，尤其是年轻人非常关心巴勒斯坦人的困境，我的意思是，这甚至在奥运会上也得到了体现，你知道，当巴勒斯坦人在开幕式上乘船出场时，你知道，旗手穿着衬衫，炸弹被扔在踢足球的孩子们身上，我的意思是，全世界都在关注巴勒斯坦人的困境，毫无疑问，内塔尼亚胡正在走上种族灭绝的道路，试图摆脱这些长期的内塔尼亚胡的未来是什么？任期内，您认为他的未来会怎样？我的意思是，从以色列的角度来看，他们实际上并没有做任何事情来让这些人质回来。我认为，作为以色列的领导人，他面临着极大的压力。许多以色列人希望他辞职并被替换。他的未来会怎样？他会受到“千刀万剐”的惩罚吗？他是否即将下台？或者他是否会稳固下来，只要他愿意，他就会一直在那里。当内塔尼亚胡总理当选时，我问过许多以色列人，他们投票给他的主要原因之一是，他们相信他是迄今为止最聪明的人，他有头脑，有政治技巧，而且人们普遍认同他的观点。我不认为他们认同他的观点，我认为现在的“世界末日”是更新版的，但很难说，以色列内部存在着非常严重的分歧。以色列选民内部存在分歧，但总体上，他们普遍同意他的更大主张，即阿拉伯人需要离开，以色列现在需要成为一个犹太国家。我当然可以理解他们的感受，以及他们为什么会有这种感觉，这种方法的问题在于杀戮和驱逐，难道没有其他办法了吗？
we continue to escalate it and we could stop it you know you want to stop the war in Ukraine it's very easy you suspend all military aid to this Rogue regime I mean how many billions of dollars have been stolen and are sitting around in Cyprus cypriot Banks Albanian Banks Swiss banks whatever is anybody's guess it it's just ludicrous nonsense the notion that we should pour a single solitary dime into that place is absurd it always was and worse than that there's no sense of humanity anymore in the west you have to look at the plight of the Ukrainian
population about which I my suspicion is seninsky could care less I mean we have no idea how many hundreds of thousands of children and women have been trafficked right we we can't even begin to extrapolate from the war how many people have actually been killed or left the country you know now they're talking about 600,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers and I can remember when I said 500,000 and people said oh you're crazy can't be can't be the case now the word the number is 600,000 right this is not going to get any better it can only get worse for the people there the best thing we can do is suspend Aid to the place military aid and offer humanitarian assistance correct and then ask for some sort of uh face-to-face
discussion with the Russians whether or not the ukrainians are there doesn't matter anymore this is now an issue that goes beyond Ukraine it involves Europe and the United States we should see it that way and we should come to some sort of strategic Arrangement that makes sense for everyone right but this government's not going to do it they're going to let as many people die as is
necessary to keep this going through the election and my concern is given the choice of personnel that surround
president Trump that could absolutely happen under his administration as well so not good news so so when will this end it's not going to end immediately but I think the potential to end it in Ukraine is there the potential to negotiate an end for it in the Middle East is very hard right I think the the potential for a two State solution is dead it it doesn't seem a two-state Why Two State Solution is Dead
solution is has any chance of ever passing I I think I don't think that's um I mean we know Israel has no interest
in that I think this is obviously Netanyahu is taking his Extreme Measures I mean in his perfect world I mean he I
think he would annihilate you know every Palestinian I mean he doesn't have any interest in in preserving them or or anything I mean that's exactly what we're seeing and I I want to talk more about Netanyahu specifically because I I
mean we see protest you know in Israel against Netanyahu um you know I think there's a lot of pressure I mean he obviously came to the United States on this big tour um you know trying to drum up supporting Congress you know putting an American flag on his shoulders you know trying to really you know Lobby to
the people but I think there is a there's obviously a big movement here here in the United States especially
with the youth you know being very concerned with the plight of the Palestinians I mean even that was even
um shown in the Olympics you know when the Palestinians were coming out on their boat on the opening ceremony you know the the flag bearer had the shirt
on with the bombs being dropped on kids playing soccer I mean the world is watching you know the plight of the
Palestinians and you know there's no doubt about it that Netanyahu is youknow going down the roads of genocide
you know trying to get rid of these long
What is the Future of Netanyahu?
term what do you think with his you know
potential future I mean you know again
from Israel's perspective they have you
know they've not really done anything to
get these hostages back I think he has a
extreme amount of pressure on him as as
the leader of Israel many Israelis wanting him to to resign and get replaced what is the future for him is
he going to receive uh Death By A Thousand Cuts you know is he is he you know on the way out or is he pretty much solidified and going to be there for for
as long as he wants when prime minister
Netanyahu was voted into power and I I asked many Israelis about him one of the principal reasons they voted for him was they were convinced that he was by far the most intelligent man for the job he had the brains uh the political skills and uh people generally shared his vision I don't think they share his vision of what I would call an updated version of Armageddon right now right but it's hard to tell and inside Israel there are there are very serious divisions and splits inside the Israeli electorate but on the whole they can generally agree with his larger proposition that the Arabs need to get out and that Israel needs to be a Jewish State now I I certainly can understand how they feel and why they feel that way the problem with that approach is killing and expulsion is there nothing else that could be done and of

当然，在游戏的这个阶段，这无关紧要，无论我们建议做什么，都不再可能，已经流了太多的血，所以我认为以色列和内塔尼亚胡的命运是密不可分的，交织在一起，我不认为以色列人可以完全脱离内塔尼亚胡，即使他们罢免了他，好吧，我认为舞台上的任何继任者，无论是将军还是其他任何人，都无法介入并必然制定出一条根本不同的路线，如果他们促成了什么，你知道一系列联盟，这些联盟必须被描述为战略层面的反击，这是该地区以前从未见过的，所以我不，你知道我从一开始就很担心，当事情变得清晰时，你知道我们必须回到10月7日，每个人都很震惊，10月7日到底发生了什么？对此感到震惊，但当你看着它时，它没有任何意义，因为我在 2020 年 2 月在那里，我看到了已经采取的安全措施，并看到了指挥的军官，他们是极其能干的聪明人，他们在几秒钟内就认识了，他们开枪射击某人或在加沙四处开火或做任何事情，所以他们可能感到惊讶的想法总是让我难以接受，现在我们有越来越多的信息表明，他们并不一定会感到惊讶，因为即使是负责每周 7 天、每天 24 小时监视加沙的以色列情报部门也警告过类似的事情即将发生，同时，以色列情报部门的副局长直接打电话给以色列情报领导层，警告他们即将发生的袭击，没有努力将攻击直升机、坦克、装备等物品运送到该地区以应对有了它，有了音乐节，所有这些年轻人都离我们很近，每个人都知道这是危险和不稳定的，这一切都是为了加速我们现在看到的冲突，我认为你必须开始问这个问题，因为在回应方面，你能做的事情肯定是有限的，换句话说，什么是成比例的，这始终是一个问题，这些可怕的事情发生了，我们要对加沙人民做些什么，我们要在多大程度上惩罚他们，我们如何对付哈马斯等等，但我们远远超出了这一点，在几周内，我们就在处理一场规模更大的运动，每个人都非常清楚，现在这被吹捧为一场地区运动，本质上是为了在该地区建立犹太人至上，我认为这没什么问题，这是一个非常危险的提议，在一个拥有数亿穆斯林的地区，假设这是可以实现的，这是危险的，你不能把每个人都称为动物，然后期望他们与你合作，这是荒谬的，我不知道，看起来不像是我们美国人关心以色列希望以色列生存，认为以色列应该生存，可以解决的问题，是的，我认为这只是呃不幸的是，这个地区自以色列建国以来一直有着动荡的历史，我的意思是它一直存在争议，但我认为中东战争史人们必须明白，它并不像我们想象的那么暴力，从地区意义上讲，如果你回顾过去 300 年，事实上有地图可以说明这一点，它着眼于世界各地冲突、暴力和战争的频率，那里的冲突和暴力以及战争非常少，欧洲的冲突非常多，北美的冲突非常多，因为我们征??服了这片大陆，呃，其他地方也有一些冲突，但即使在亚洲，冲突也非常少，所以我们必须对自己诚实，以色列最终变成了成为冲突的真正催化剂，每当人们站起来说我们必须找到一条不同的前进道路时，我们都知道以色列必须生活在该地区的框架内，它必须容忍并与被拒绝的邻国和睦相处，对吧，我们本可以帮助，我认为我们不时尝试过，当然尼克松、卡特甚至克林顿都是这种情况，但从那以后它就分崩离析了，我不知道你能不能把那个东西重新拼凑起来，对吧，我也不认为会有任何实质性的变化，你知道，即使考虑到美国今年 11 月选举的结果，我认为这场战争如果两个主要候选人之一获胜，我想你是对的，我不认为会发生很大变化，如果你得到了第三个选择，我认为有一些变化的潜力，对吧，我不知道有多少，因为正如你所指出的，这对我们来说是一个难题我一直非常支持以色列，我认为它有巨大的潜力成为一个非常
 course at this
stage of the game it's irrelevant
whatever we suggest could have been done
is no longer possible too much blood has
been spilled okay so I think Israel and
netanyahu's fate are inextricably
intertwined I don't think the Israelis
can divorce themselves completely from
Netanyahu even if they removed him okay
I don't think any successor that's out
there on the stage whether it's General
gun or any of the others can step in and
necessarily chart a fundamentally
different course if anything they have
precipitated you know a a a series of
alliances that have to be described as
blowback on a strategic level that no
one has ever seen before in the region
so I don't I you know I worried from the
very outset when it became clear that
and you know we got to go back to 7
October and everyone was horrified and
What Really Happened on Oct 7th?
shocked by that correct but then as you
looked at it it didn't make any sense
because I was there in in 2020 in
February I saw the uh security measures
that had been taken and and saw the
officers that were in command they were
extraordinarily competent intelligent
people they knew within seconds who shot
someone or fired around or did anything
in Gaza so the notion that they could
have been surprised was always something
that I found hard to accept correct now
we have more and more information
suggesting that they weren't surprised
necessarily that what happened was that
the even the Israeli intelligence cell
that was tasked with watching Gaza 24
hours a day seven days a week had warned
of of something like this coming and at
the same time you have the Deputy Chief
of uh intelligence in Israel who called directly to isra to Israel's intelligence leadership and warned them of this imminent attack there was no effort to move Attack Helicopters tanks equipment other things into the region
to deal with it and you have this music festival with all these young people in very close proximity to something that everybody knew was was dangerous and
volatile was all of this designed to precipitate the the conflict that we see now I think you have to begin to ask
that question because certainly right there's a limit to what you can do in terms of responding other words what what is proportional is the always the issue these were terrible things that happened what do we do to the people in Gaza how to what extent do we punish them to how
do we get to Hamas and so forth but we went well beyond that within weeks we were dealing with a campaign on a much larger scale it was very obvious to everybody now this is blow blown up into a regional campaign to essentially establish Jewish Supremacy in the region
I don't think there's much question about that and that's that's a very dangerous proposition in an area where
you have hundreds of millions of Muslims
the assumption that that is even attainable is dangerous and you cannot call everyone an animal right and then
expect them to cooperate with you it it it it's absurd I don't know it doesn't it doesn't look like something that we
in the United States we Americans who
care about Israel want Israel to survive
think that Israel should survive can fix
yeah I think it's just uh unfortunately
this this region of the world has had a
troubled history for really since the
founding of Israel I mean it's been
controversial and but I think I think
The History of War in Middle East
people have to understand that it's not
as violent as we think in in the
regional sense if you go back and look
over the last 300 years in fact there's
Maps there that illustrate this and it
looks at the frequency of conflict and
violence and War around the world
there's remarkably little there right
huge concentrations in Europe right huge
concentrations in North America because
we conquered the continent right uh some
some conflicts elsewhere but even in
Asia remarkably few so we got to got to
be honest with ourselves that Israel has
turned out ultimately to be a true
Catalyst for conflict and whenever
people people stood up and said we've
got to find a different way forward we
you know Israel has to live within the
framework of the region it has to
tolerate and get along with its
neighbors that was rejected right we
could have helped that I think we tried
from time to time certainly was the case
with Nixon subsequently Carter and even
Clinton but since then it's Fallen apart
and I don't know that you could put that
thing together again right right and I
and I don't think uh there will be any
substantive change you know even given
the result of this election in the
United States you know come November I I
think this war if one of the two main
candidates win I think you're right I
don't think much will change if if you
got the third choice I think there's
some potential for change right I don't
know how much because it's a difficult
question for us as you point out I've
always been very supportive of Israel
right I think it's a has an immense
potential to be a very p
无论是在该地区还是在全球范围内，这都是积极的力量，但现在看起来不太好，我同意你的观点，上校，我想嗯，关于 2024 年大选的想法，非常感谢你抽出时间和你的见解，嗯，你知道我们总是很感激的，你知道我们会继续关注这一点，所以非常感谢你今天花了一些时间和我们在一起，我最后再说一句话，呃，告诉我们一些关于我们国家我们的选择，你知道，在接下来的 90 天里，你知道，即将举行的美国总统大选，我们的会员人数继续增长，我们接近 50 万会员，显然我们希望能走得更远，我认为选举实际上分散了人们的注意力，我认为有些人感到沮丧，因为我们没有公开支持任何候选人，是的，呃，我们没有告诉人们如何投票，那是这不是我们的事，我们以问题为导向，我们试图团结不同党派的人，所以如果你同意，边境应该是安全的，如果你同意我们需要恢复美国的法治，并大力打击破坏我们社会的犯罪行为，如果你认为，跨境贩毒、人口贩卖和儿童贩卖应该停止，那么加入我们吧，如果你认为，自 2001 年以来，我们一直处于这种不断冲突和战争的世界，应该结束，加入我们吧，所以我们不会说投票给某某，或者投票不投票给某某，但我认为我们试图让人们客观地看待各种候选人，并试图理解他们的想法，现在我认为，正如你所指出的，两人在许多对美国人民来说很重要的核心领域的差异并不大，两人分别属于统一党的右翼是的，我绝对同意这一点，我认为，无论选举结果如何，2024 年都不会是我们需要在美国看到的改变，但你知道，如果更多的人能够接受教育，并开始关注你正在谈论的那些重大问题，你知道，希望你展望 2028 年，你知道我们可以在那里找到一些更好的候选人，你知道，希望美国会发生一些变化，上校，我要感谢你所做的一切，再次感谢你的见解和你对国家的服务，我们将再次把所有这些信息放在下面的链接中，我希望你们喜欢我与道格拉斯·麦格雷戈上校对话的后半部分，如果你还没有看过第一部分，上校和我讨论了乌克兰战争的未来，并特别关注了乌克兰为什么入侵俄罗斯这个被诅咒的地区，相信我，这一集值得你花时间观看点击
这里观看，一如既往地感谢你
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ositive force
both in the region and globally but
right now it doesn't look good right I
agree with you well Colonel I want to um
Thoughts on 2024 Elections
thank you so much for your time and your
insights um you know always appreciative
of that and you know we're going to
continue monitoring that so thank you so
much for um you know spending some time
with us today and I'll just leave you
with one last word uh tell us a little
bit about our country our choice and you
know certainly leading up as these next
90 days you know coming up to the US
presidential election well our our
membership continues to grow we're Clos
in on a half a million
members obviously we had hoped to be
further along I think the elections have
actually distracted people and I think
some people are frustrated because we do
not publicly endorse any candidate yeah
uh we're not telling people how to vote
that's not our Affair we're issue
oriented we're trying to unite people
across party lines so if you can agree
the Border should be secure if you you
can agree that we need to restore the
rule of law inside the United States and
dramatically attack the criminality that
is unhinging our society if you think
the drugs and human trafficking and
child trafficking that goes back and
forth across our borders should stop
then join us if you think this this sort
of world of Perpetual conflict and war
that we've been in since 2001 should end
join us so we don't say vote for so and
so or vote don't vote for so and so but
I think we try to get people to look at
them at the various candidates
objectively and try to understand what
they're about and right now I think as
you pointed out the the differences in
many core areas of importance to the
American people between the two are not
not very great the two that are on
either wing of the uni party right yeah
that's something that I definitely agree
with I think um 2024 is not going to be
the change that we need to see in
America regardless of the election
result but you know hopefully if more
people can get educated and start
looking at those big term issues you're
talking about and you know hopefully you
know looking forward 2028 you know we
can get some better candidates in there
and you know hopefully some change that
happens in the United States and Colonel
I want to thank you for everything that
you do thank you again for your insights
and your service to the country and once
again we're going to put all that
information down in the links below
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half of my conversation with Colonel
Douglas McGregor if you haven't seen the
first part the colonel and I discuss the
future of the Ukraine war and focus
specifically on why Ukraine invaded the
cursed region of Russia trust me this
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