DW 采访 CBC Ottwa TV 主持人 Lucy van Oldenbernveld

DW 采访 CBC Ottwa TV 主持人 Lucy van Oldenbernveld

YouTube  特朗普威胁的关税已经如何影响加拿大 | DW 新闻

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特朗普仍威胁要对外国进口产品征收巨额关税。他的关税计划引发的紧张局势引发了加拿大首都渥太华的政治闹剧，财政部长 Chrystia Freeland 突然辞职。Freeland 曾担任贾斯汀·特鲁多的副总理，两人最近几周在财政政策问题上发生冲突，包括如何应对美国当选总统唐纳德·特朗普提高关税的威胁。上周，弗里兰表示，如果特朗普继续执行他的关税计划，加拿大将采取强硬的回应。

00:00 加拿大财政部长弗里兰辞职
02:29 Lucy van Oldenbarneveld，记者

加拿大财政部长弗里兰辞职，他们向我们征税，我们也向他们征税，呃，不，我们会做一些事情，我们会非常公平地对待人们，但“互惠”这个词很重要，如果他们想向我们收费，那没关系，但我们会向他们收取与美国总统当选人唐纳德·特朗普相同的费用，特朗普今天早些时候谈到了他最喜欢的词关税，随着就职典礼的临近，特朗普仍然威胁要对外国进口产品征收巨额关税，他的 SES 不仅包括中国，他还呼吁他的北美邻国墨西哥和加拿大今天，特朗普关税计划的紧张局势引发了加拿大首都渥太华的政治戏剧，财政部长克里斯蒂娅·弗里兰突然辞职，自由职业者曾担任总理贾斯汀·特鲁多的副手，原定于今天在议会上公布秋季经济数据，两人最近几周在财政政策问题上发生冲突，包括如何应对美国当选总统唐纳德·特朗普提高关税的威胁，上周弗里兰表示，如果特朗普继续执行他的关税计划，加拿大将采取强硬的回应，加拿大绝对依赖美国，美国也依赖我们，事实是加拿大是美国最大的市场，我们对美国的出口市场比中国、日本、英国和法国的总和还要大，这是一件大事，如果美国对加拿大征收不合理的关税，我们将拥有巨大的筹码，当然，我们会做出回应，加拿大的回应必然是强有力的，特鲁多计划的回应显然对弗里兰来说不够有力，她今天早些时候向总理提交了辞职信，她写信给你我，我们发现我们对加拿大的最佳前进道路存在分歧，我们国家今天面临着严峻的挑战，美国即将上任的政府推行激进的经济民族主义政策，包括威胁征收 25% 的关税，我们需要非常认真地对待这一威胁。Lucy van Oldenbarneveld，记者，我们现在从加拿大首都渥太华连线记者 Lucy Van Alden barnavelt Lucy，很高兴您能来参加节目，感谢您今天在 DW 上抽出时间，所以首先

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克里斯蒂娅·弗里兰今天宣布辞职有多意外，她的辞职对总理特鲁多的 H 政府来说有多大的打击

Lucy van Oldenbernveld

我认为说这是一个重磅炸弹并不为过，首先，没有人预料到，财政部长克里斯普·弗里兰计划在今天下午晚些时候发表经济更新，所以当她辞职的消息传出时，嗯，今天早上首都各地的电话都响个不停，因为虽然有传言称，总理和财政部长之间的关系越来越紧张，他们没有预料到这种情况会发生，所以这对贾斯汀·特鲁多来说是一次沉重的打击，因为自 2015 年他当选以来，她一直是他的左右手，可以说是事事都由她掌管的部长，如果有棘手的文件，你可以让克里斯安·弗里兰处理，她会完成这项工作，她还是副总理，所以在她准备发表秋季经济声明的那天辞职，然后又公布了辞职原因的信，这对总理来说是一个巨大的打击。

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好吧，实际上会告诉我们更多导致她辞职的原因

Lucy van Oldenbernveld

是的，这里有几件事正在发生，所以财政部长 H 似乎在最近几个月与总理意见相左关于国家的经济方向，贾斯汀·特鲁多最近表示，他将给予加拿大人一点免税期，为期两个月的商品及服务税，这样加拿大人就不必纳税，其次，他将向年收入低于 15 万美元的加拿大人支付 2 美元的50 现在检查。

今天 chrisa Freeland 称这些是政治花招，所以她对此的谴责相当严厉，所以她作为总理和财政部长所做的就是试图在新冠疫情之后以及明年大选之前让国家的财政恢复正常，所以随着总理的支出，他采取了这两项最新举措，紧张局势正在加剧，所以周五我们现在得知，总理打电话给她，说他会把她从财政部长职位上调走，这也是重要的背景，这是重要的背景，因为马克·卡尼是总理的重要盟友，他是加拿大银行和英格兰银行的前行长，总理已经追求他很多个月了，所以他调走了财政部长，让她进入内阁，希望也许马克·卡尼会认为这个金融投资组合只是压垮骆驼的最后一根稻草，她今天辞职了

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当然，这一切都发生在你的邻居，你的南方邻居，即将成为美国总统的唐纳德·特朗普威胁征收关税的背景下，这可能会给加拿大带来严重的经济问题，那么加拿大政府是如何为可能引入的关税做准备的呢？

Lucy van Oldenbernveld
嗯，而且它们不仅仅是小关税，特朗普提议对所有加拿大出口到美国的商品征收 25% 的关税，这将对加拿大经济产生影响，所以在宣布这一消息后不久，即将成为总统的特朗普，总理飞往马拉拉戈与他在佛罗里达会面，据说会议进展顺利，CHR Freeland，我可能会补充说，我和特鲁多一起去了那里，嗯，但从那以后，特朗普就有点一直在戏弄总理，称他为第 51 任州长，加拿大应该加入美国，成为第 51 个州，但是有些人真的呼吁采取强有力的措施，嗯，要有一个统一战线，加拿大所有的总理都团结起来，挑战唐纳德·特朗普和他的恐怖分子。问加拿大人民对唐纳德·特朗普的回归持什么态度，因为你说加拿大所有省份的总理都有这个提议让他们都加入，但你知道他们对唐纳德·特朗普的立场是否统一吗？答是的，不，这是一个很好的问题，因为加拿大人在很大程度上被视为进步人士，在政治光谱的中心，但我不知道唐纳德·特朗普是否有广泛的支持，但在加拿大，地平线上有一个右翼候选人呃目前反对党领袖皮埃尔 POV，他有望在选举时成为下一任总理对他的支持一直在增长对特鲁多的不满一直在增长，因此加拿大人如此支持政治光谱上偏右的中间派人士是不寻常的，但这似乎就是我们现在的处境，所以虽然我没有说对唐纳德·特朗普的广泛支持，但人们担心他和他的内阁选择，但对这位有望赢得下一届选举的右翼领导人的支持越来越多问这对加拿大和它与唐纳德·特朗普的关系意味着什么答这还有待观察因为皮埃尔 POV 一直是他一直是一些唐纳德·特朗普正在提出的政策，他也更加呃呃呃，他的方法中政府更加放手，这也不是典型的加拿大治理方法，所以我们还有待观察他将如何治理，但他相信小政府可以大幅减少赤字，这意味着我们的公务员将大规模裁员，而且如果你愿意的话，这是一种更像加拿大人的方法，所以他会以这种方式与唐纳德·特朗普正面交锋，但他们可能比贾斯汀·特鲁多和唐纳德·特朗普更自然地结盟

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好吧，实际上只是为了完成露西对贾斯汀·特鲁多的支持一直在直线下降，克里斯蒂娅·弗里兰呃会成为特鲁多未来的潜在竞争对手吗

Lucy van Oldenbernveld
是的，所以她已经辞去了内阁职务，但她还没有辞去她的职位，而且她已经表示她将再次参选，这可能为她最终竞选自由党领袖奠定基础，所以你可能不确定对手这个词是否合适，因为人们普遍预计，在下次选举后，贾斯汀·特鲁多将辞去自由党领袖一职，而且他肯定会输，所以他也会辞去总理一职，加拿大公众将确保这一点，因此人们预计她可能会竞选接替他，但马克·卡尼在经济管理方面拥有各种可信度，也有望成为取代贾斯汀·特鲁多的有力竞争者，所以现在很难说，但事实上她现在将坐在后排，而不是前排和内阁，看看她如何应对未来将会很有趣。问：露西，和你谈话非常有趣，实际上加拿大政治很吸引人，记者露西·范·奥尔登·巴纳维尔特从加拿大首都渥太华加入我们，很高兴你能参加节目。

Dw interviews Lucy van Oldenbernveld Host of CBC TV in Ottawa  

How Trump's threatened tariffs are already affecting Canada | DW News

DW News  2024年12月16日
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Trump is still threatening to slap huge taxes on foreign imports. And tensions over his tariff plans triggered a political drama in the Canadian capital, Ottawa, with the sudden resignation of Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland. 
Freeland served as Justin Trudeau's deputy prime minister, and the two had clashed in recent weeks over fiscal policy issues, including how to respond to the threat of higher tariffs by US President-elect Donald Trump.
Last week Freeland spoke out in favour of a tough Canadian response if Trump goes ahead with his tariff plans.

00:00 Canada finance minister Freeland resigns
02:29 Lucy van Oldenbarneveld, Journalist

Lucy van Oldenbernveld

Canada finance minister Freeland resigns
they tax us we tax them and uh no well
we're going to be doing things we're
going to be treating people very fairly
but the word reciprocal is important if
they want to charge us that's fine but
we're going to charge them the same
thing that was US president elect Donald
Trump earlier today talking about his
favorite word tariffs as his
inauguration creeps closer Trump is
still threatening to slap huge taxes on
Foreign imports and he doesn't just have
China in his SES he's also called out
his North American neighbors Mexico and
Canada today the tensions over Trump's
tariff plans triggered a political drama
in the Canadian Capital Ottawa with the
sudden resignation of Finance Minister
Christia freland freelance served as
prime minister Justin trudo's deputy and
had been due to present Autumn economic
numbers in Parliament today the two had
clashed in recent weeks over fiscal
policy issues including how to respond
to the threat of higher tariffs by us
president-elect Donald
Trump well last week Freeland spoke out
in favor of a tough Canadian response if
Trump goes ahead with his tariff
plans Canada depends on the United
States absolutely it's also true that
the United States depends on us and the
reality is that Canada is by far the
largest market for the United States we
are larger export market for the US than
China Japan the UK and France combined
that is a big deal that gives us
significant leverage in the event that
the United States were to impose
unjustified tariffs on Canada of course
we would respond and the Canadian
response would necessarily be
robust well the planned response from
Trudeau was apparently not robust enough
for freland who submitted her
resignation letter to the Prime Minister
earlier today and she wrote you and I
have found ourselves at odds about the
best path forward for Canada our country
today faces a grave challenge the
incoming Administration in the United
States is pursuing a policy of
aggressive economic nationalism
including a threat of 25% tariffs we
need to take that threat extremely
seriously
Lucy van Oldenbarneveld, Journalist
for more we're joined now from the
Canadian Capital Ottawa by journalist
Lucy Van Alden barnavelt Lucy great to
have you on the show thanks for making
the time for us today on DW so first and
foremost 

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how big of a surprise was
Christia freeland's announcement today
and how big of a blow is her resignation
for prime minister Trudeau's H
government 

Lucy van Oldenbernveld

I don't think it's overstating it to say it was a bombshell, no one saw it coming first of all uh chrisop Freeland the Finance Minister
was was sched to deliver a an economic
update later this afternoon so when when
news of her resignation came um s sort
of first thing this morning phones
around the capital were blowing up
because although there had been talk
that there are growing tensions between
the Prime Minister and his Finance
Minister um they did not see this coming
so it is a considerable blow for Justin
Trudeau because she is has been since he
was elected in 2015 been his right hand
sort of the minister of everything if
there is a tough file you put chrisan
Freeland on it she'll get the job done
she's also the Deputy Prime Minister so
having her resign on the day she is to
deliver a fall economic statement and
then subsequently releasing that
letter um on why she resigned was an
immense blow for the Prime Minister 

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all right will tell us actually more about the reasons uh that led to this resignation 

Lucy van Oldenbernveld

yeah so there's there's a
couple of things that are that are going
on here so the the the Finance Minister
H seems to in in recent months been
disagreeing quite significantly with the
Prime Minister about the the economic
direction of the country um recently
Justin Trudeau has um said that he's
going to give Canadians a bit of a tax
holiday a a GST the goods and services
tax for two months so that Canadians
won't have to pay tax and second of all
he is going to be paying um sending
Canadians anyone who earns under
$150,000 a $250 check now today chrisa
Freeland called these political gimmicks
and so she was quite quite damning in
her condemnation of that so what she is
doing as prime minister as as finance
minister is trying to get the country's
finances back in order after the covid
pandemic and just ahead of an election
that is scheduled next year and so with
the Prime Minister um spending spending
the way he is with these two latest
moves the tensions were growing and so
on Friday we are now learning that the
Prime Minister called her in and said
that he would be shuffling her out of
the finance portfolio right there are
also and this is important context this
is important context because Mark Carney
is um an an important Ally of the prime
ministers he is the former Governor of
the Bank of Canada and of the bank of
England the Prime Minister has been
courting him for many many months now so
the fact that he was shuffling his
Finance Minister out putting her
somewhere in cabinet in the in the hopes
that maybe Mark Carney would assume this
Finance portfolio was was just the the
straw that broke the camels back and she
she resigned today 
 
问
of course this is
all coming in the context of your
neighbor your Southern neighbor uh
Donald Trump the uh soon to be president
of the United States threatening tariffs
which could result in serious economic
issues for Canada so how has the the
Canadian government been preparing for
this uh possible uh introduction of
tariffs 
答
well and and they're not just
small tariffs twet Trump is is proposing
25% tariffs on all Canadian exports to
the United States this would the
Canadian economy so so very soon after
that announcement uh by by uh soon to be
president Trump uh the Prime Minister
flew down to maralago to meet with him
in Florida it was said that the meeting
went well CHR Freeland I I might add
went on that trip with with Trudeau and
um but since then Trump has sort of been
trolling the Prime Minister calling him
the governor the 51st Governor uh Canada
should just join the United States as
the 51st state and so um but but there
are some who are really calling for for
strong measures to um to to to have a
united front where all the premier in in
Canada are uniting um to to challenge
Donald Trump and and his
Terror 
问
 where do the Canadian people
stand on the return of Donald Trump
because you're saying there that the
premier of all the provinces of Canada
there's this proposal for them all to
join but you know is there Unity on on
how they stand on Donald
Trump 
答
yeah no an excellent question
because Canadians are are largely seen
to be Progressive people right sort of
somewhere in the center of the political
Spectrum but um I don't know that there
is widespread support for Donald Trump
but on the horizon here in Canada there
is a right-wing candidate uh currently
the opposition leader Pierre POV and he
is expected to become the next prime
minister when the election is called
this support for him has been growing
the dissatisfaction with uh with Trudeau
has been has been growing and so it is
uncharacteristic uh for Canadians to be
so supportive of of someone who is right
of Center on the political Spectrum but
that seems to be where we are right now
so while there is not I wouldn't say
widespread support for Donald Trump
people are worried about him and his
cabinet choices um there is growing
support for this this right-wing um
leader who's expected to win the next
election 
问
what could that mean then
for Canada and say its relations with
Donald Trump 
答
well that that remains to be seen
because Pierre POV has been um he has
been he has been a vocal um uh proponent
of of of some of the policies that
Donald Trump is is proposing he is also
uh far more um uh he he has far more
government hands off in his approach
which is also uh not a typically
Canadian uh approach to to governing so
so we we it remains to be seen how he
will how he will govern but he believes
in small government in in dramatically
reducing the deficit which would mean
massive layoffs in in our in our civil
service and also a more of a um a
Canadair approach if you will so he'll
go head-to-head with Donald Trump in in
that way but they may be have have more
of a natural Alliance than perhaps uh
Justin Trudeau and Donald Trump 
问
well actually just to to to finish Lucy
support for Justin Trudeau has been
plummeting um could Christia Freeland uh
be a potential rival for Trudeau going
forward 
答
yeah well so she she has she has resigned from cabinet but she has not
resigned her seat and she has said that she's going to run again which may set
up her eventual launch into h a run for the for the liberal leader so you you
might I'm not sure if rival is the right word because it it's widely expected
that after the next election Justin Trudeau will step down as liberal leader
and certainly he's expected to lose and so he would step down as prime minister
as well the Canadian public would ensure that and so it is expected that she may
run to replace him but again Mark Carney who uh who who is um has has all kinds of credibility when it comes to economic management is also expected to be a strong Contender to replace Justin Trudeau so it's it's hard to say at this point but the fact that she will now be on the back bench and not in the front bench and cabinet um will be interesting to watch how she how she plays this going forward 

问

Lucy super interesting talking to you and actually Canadian politics is fascinating journalist Lucy Van Alden barnavelt joining us from the Canadian Capital Ottawa great to have you on the show.