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8 h, 6.5 h or more or less?

(2015-10-16 09:17:53) 下一个

Hey, how about you? 8 h, 6.5 h or more or less?

Sleep study on modern-day hunter-gatherers dispels notion that we’re wired to need 8 hours a day

 
 

Modern life's sleep troubles — the chronic bleary-eyed state that many of us live in — have long been blamed on our industrial society. The city lights, long work hours, commutes, caffeine, the Internet. When talking about the miserable state of our ability to get enough rest, sleep researchers have had a tendency to harken back to a simpler time when humans were able to fully recharge by sleeping and waking to the rhythms of the sun.

It turns out that may not be quite right. In fact, it now appears that our ancestors may not have been getting the doctor-recommended 8 hours of sleep either.

In an intriguing study published in Current Biology this week, researchers traveled to remote corners of the planet to scrutinize the sleep patterns of some of the world's last remaining hunter-gatherers — the Hadza of Tanzania, the San of Namibia, and the Tsimane of Bolivia. Cut off from electricity, media and other distractions, these pre-industrial societies are thought to experience the same sort of natural sleep ancient humans enjoyed more than 10,000 years ago.

Located in a woodland-savannah habitat 2 degrees south of the equator, the Hazda gather their wild foods each day. The San are not migratory but interact very little with surrounding villages and live as hunter-gatherers. The Tsimane, who live close to the Maniqui River, are hunter-horticulturalist.

Using Actiwatch-2 devices (a kind of a souped-up, medical-grade Fitbit for sleep), researchers recorded the sleeping habits of 94 of these tribespeople and ended up collecting data representing 1,165 days.

What they found was a striking uniformity in their sleep patterns despite their geographic isolation. On average, all three groups sleep a little less than 6.5 hours a night, do not take naps and don't go to sleep when it gets dark. Like many of us, the Hazda, San and Tsimane spent more than that in bed — from 6.9 to 8.5 hours than actually sleeping. That computes to a sleep efficiency of between 81 to 86 percent — which is very similar to today's industrial populations.

Jerome Siegel, director of the University of California at Los Angeles's Center for Sleep Research, and his colleagues explained that this suggests that sleep may not be environmental or cultural, but "central to the physiology of humans" living in the tropical latitudes where our species evolved.

"The short sleep in these populations challenges the belief that sleep has been greatly reduced in the 'modern world,' " Siegel said. "This has important implications for the idea that we need to take sleeping pills because sleep has been reduced from its 'natural level' by the widespread use of electricity, TV, the Internet, and so on."

The findings call into question the untold millions that have been spent on research that tries to get to the bottom of why "short" sleepers only get about 6 hours of sleep a night and the idea that lack of sleep may be a big reason why obesity, mood disorders, and other physical and mental ailments have surged in recent decades.

 

Our ideas about napping may need some revision, too.

Scientists have long documented that people have a tendency to "crash" in energy in the mid-afternoon, and some have speculated that it's because we've managed to suppress some innate need for siesta. The new study provides evidence that this is unlikely.

The data from the San in Namibia, for instance, shows no afternoon naps during 210 days of recording in the winter and 10 naps in 364 days in the summer. The findings were similar for the other two tribes, suggesting that napping isn't really a common thing among hunter-gatherers either. At the high end, the researchers estimated that naps may have occurred on up to 7 percent of winter days and 22 percent of summer days. The researchers noted that the devices they were using weren't great at picking up naps of short durations, so it is possible that some of the study subjects were taking short power naps of less than 15 minutes.

Another fascinating finding from the study had to do with the circadian rhythms related to sunlight. Instead of going to sleep right at dusk, the hunter-gatherers were sleeping an average of 2.5 and 4.4 hours after sunset — well after darkness had fallen. All three tribes had small fires going but the light itself was much lower than you might get from your average 60 watt bulb. They did, however, have a tendency to wake around sunrise — an hour before or an hour after depending on the season and the group.

Siegel and his co-authors investigated this further by looking into the role of temperature and found that temperature may play a big role. "[S]leep in both the winter and summer occurred during the period of decreasing ambient temperature and that wake onset occurred near the nadir of the daily temperature rhythm," they wrote.

It should be noted that the tribespeople studied are different from your average American in a number of respects.

Importantly, very few of the hunter-gatherers suffer from chronic insomnia. It isn't even a word in their languages.

In interviews with the researchers conducted through translators, 1.5 to 2.5 percent of the study subjects said they had sleep onset or sleep maintenance problems more than once a year, which is far lower than the 10 to 30 percent documented in many countries today. Siegel suggested that this may mean that "mimicking aspects of the natural environment" may be effective in treating some sleep disorders.

The hunter-gatherers are also much healthier. Not a single one is obese, and the mean BMIs among the tribes was between 18.3 and 26.2, which is considered quite slim. They also tend to have lower blood pressure, better heart conditions and higher levels of physical fitness.

Thus comes a critical question. If we can't blame the lack of sleep as causing our obesity, mood disorders and the like could it it be that the reason we feel so unrested is because of poor health?

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Ariana Eunjung Cha is a national reporter. She has previously served as the Post's bureau chief in Shanghai and San Francisco, and as a correspondent in Baghdad.
There should be no surprise. Our ancient ancestors struggled to stay alive, eat, sleep, and reproduce. Then our predators were saber tooth tigers, huge bears, and other scary predators.

Nothing has changed. Well, the old predators have been replaced with human predators which are worse than the ancient predators. Governments are the most dangerous predators on the planet. They have killed more people than any other group since the dawn of time.

It is a major miracle that anyone can sleep at all.
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BlackonWhite
9:07 AM PDT
 
 
Medicine is always giving wrong advice based on quasi science and qualitative tests. I'm sure your body knows how much rest to get and I'm sure some people need less and others more the 6.5 hours sleep in this study.
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midwestelite
8:57 AM PDT
 
 
Why is everyone so skeptical about this information? I, literally, dosed off four times before I could get through this article. The reason being, is that I have been sleeping approximately 8 hours a night over the last week. I function much better on approximately 5 hours of sleep, per night, through-out the year.
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Perapado
8:52 AM PDT
 
 
The hunter gatherers are healthier and sleep better because they are physically active. On the days I bike to work I sleep like a rock.
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KeepDreaming
8:49 AM PDT
 
 
I have never believed that all people need 8 hours of sleep. If I sleep more than 6 hours, I am more tired than if I had 4 hours sleep. As a child, I only slept 6 hours and it remains the optimum amount for me. Some people need more. Some need less.
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JCott
8:27 AM PDT
 
 
OK, not the be-all-and end-all of why people suffer from a host of concerns, such as insomnia, anxiety, obesity, etc. This is also not meant to extol the life-style of hunter-gatherers. Just a small study which adds to our knowledge about the human condition and possibly how to improve it. Personally, my philosophy is "Everything in moderation."
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Bastille
8:19 AM PDT
 
 
This study brought to you by the Association for Contract Slave Laborers of America. "If your ancestors endured it, so can you!"

Now kindly get back to work.
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garyisabusyguy
8:44 AM PDT
 
 
Exactly my thought
These people are subject to nighttime attacks on themselves and their livestock by predators. There is no opportunity for deep rest, and I am not aware that they have particularly long or healthy lives
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mypostrfb
8:04 AM PDT
 
 
I keep waiting for the punchline - their life expectancy. What is it?
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No One You Know
8:03 AM PDT
 
 
Being tired in the mid-afternoon is most often caused by a lack of deep sleep, and one of the main causes of a lack of deep sleep is sleep apnea, and one of the main causes of sleep apnea is obesity. For that matter, one of the main causes of insomnia is anxiety. Does lack of sleep cause obesity and anxiety? Maybe. Do obesity and anxiety cause lack of sleep or high-quality sleep? Yes, no doubt about it.

I bet the rates of obesity and anxiety among these study populations are minimal.
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boise91801
7:56 AM PDT
 
 
I just follow the example my chickens set. When it gets dark, I hop up to my perch and wake about an hour before sunrise.
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OldSnowy
8:06 AM PDT
 
 
Well don't crow about it. The neighbors will complain.
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FenwayFrank
7:45 AM PDT
 
 
Wouldn't it make more sense for hunter-gatherers to study how we live than for us to study how they live? I mean unless mud huts and disease is your thing.
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professor frink
7:59 AM PDT
 
 
**Brilliant**

**sarcastrisks
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Weebly
7:45 AM PDT
 
 
Why do we assume what our hunter-gatherer ancestors did is the normal? They were not "normal" compared to their cave-men ancestors, and so on, either.

There is this thing called adaptation and evolution.
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rjedwards
7:41 AM PDT
 
 
The study does not appear to provide any data on sleep architecture (eg, the amount of REM and deeper sleep stages such as S3 and S4) nor does it mention oxygen saturation in the subjects during sleep or even subjective daytime sleepiness data. It's a good start, but I don't think we can extrapolate much from this study alone.
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DaBrugg
7:40 AM PDT
 
 
I have slept about 4-5 hours per night since 4th grade with no negative side effects and continue in good health at 72 years old. "Doctors" have told me that I need more sleep than that but I thankfully ignored them and quite frankly could not have done so in any case. I do not use an alarm of any kind, knowing that I will usually awaken about 4 hours after I go to sleep. I cannot lie around because I get a headache if I try. I believe that everyone has a body clock and should follow what they feel is right for them. What others do, even if they are the majority, does not imply any condition for me. Your welcome.
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KeepDreaming
8:52 AM PDT [Edited]
 
 
I get that headache if i sleep over 6 hours or try to nap too. Also, i never use an alarm either. And I usually know what time it without looking at the clock.
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Dan Gaines
7:38 AM PDT
 
 
The difference is that our ancestors slept when they were tired, and "hunter-gathered" when they were awake. They didn't follow an absurd schedule, or take stimulants to fight their circadian rhythm.
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nynjdon
7:33 AM PDT
 
 
their health might be good but how long do they live?
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Broprah Winfrey
7:30 AM PDT
 
 
I need about 8 hours of sleep a day... And 10 at night. Then I'm good.
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MeriJ
7:27 AM PDT
 
 
Each of us is different, so we are talking averages here. When I was younger -- through my 40s -- I needed much more sleep than my peers.

Interesting research. Thanks!
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Kidhorn
7:26 AM PDT
 
 
I sleep a lot better when I'm cool.
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TELawrence
7:18 AM PDT
 
 
Speaking as an insomniac, I *know* that I feel much better after eight hours of sleep, but can get by on six. Four or five hours of shut-eye leaves me feeling weak and groggy, although a supplementary siesta of an hour or so in the afternoon will help. If there's little time, deep meditation works, too.
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bethindc1
7:14 AM PDT
 
 
Ugh. The only way I get more than 6 hours is if I drug myself and then I'm a zombie. Nice to hear that's normal instead of a warning sign for early death.
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GroovyDoovy
7:12 AM PDT
 
 
Why is everybody so angry about this article? Maybe you should get more rest.
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Promytius1
7:11 AM PDT
 
 
Also, I sleep a lot better knowing I will NEVER hear a lion outside my hut!
The go to bed when the sun goes down - do you think it may be because then it's really, really dark? The more I think about this "study" - read INTRUSION - the angrier I get at the so-called scientists.
Bad science.
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professor frink
8:03 AM PDT
 
 
Perhaps if you stomp your feet and hold your breath the world can confirm to how you think it should be.
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Promytius1
7:07 AM PDT
 
 
p.s.
So you gave technology to hunter-gatherers...how about a study on the hubris of idiot researchers?
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wadejg
7:11 AM PDT
 
 
Fitbits are just bracelets, you don't have to do anything with them, just wear them. I'm sure any data that was uploaded was done remotely & all the natives did was wear the things.
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Promytius1
7:06 AM PDT
 
 
96 people? Only 96? that's right of the bat a 10% margin of error - let's see 10% of 6.5 is about AN HOUR!
Nice study - get back to us when you have a REAL one with 10,000 or more samples.
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wadejg
7:08 AM PDT
 
 
AND on people with zero technology issues, zero medical issues (at least none were mentioned), in the middle of freaking nowhere with no light pollution, no car alarms at 3 AM, now worries about losing their job or their lifestyle, I could go on like that for days.
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Kidhorn
7:28 AM PDT
 
 
Good luck finding 10,000 natives.
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rovinrail
7:03 AM PDT
 
 
I'm not sure you can jump to the conclusions that this article does based on the data.

It's quite possible that, as we've transitioned from more physical activity to more cognitive activity, the amount of sleep required increased. After all, the brain is quite active processing things while we sleep.

The data from the study could just as well support that as an outcome as one saying that we don't need as much sleep.
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Broprah Winfrey
7:26 AM PDT
 
 
Yes, I'm sure these people have lower "cognitive activity" than a typical member of industrialized society, who upon getting home from his shift at the data entry outfit, reheats a frozen dinner while binge watching America's Top Model. Yes, these simple tree people certainly need only a fraction of that mental capacity. Myself, I feel like I lose 10-30 IQ points after a week of camping in the wilderness.
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Dolly Prenzel
6:55 AM PDT
 
 
This is a very interesting story. However I am opposed to doing any kind of research with the last remaining and isolated hunter-gatherers in the world. Why must science interject itself into these societies, taking all the troubles and illnesses with it? This kind of research will destroy these societies. LEAVE THEM ALONE. It is not worth it!
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John Clark
6:57 AM PDT
 
 
If scientists are not going to finish them off, capitalists will, as soon as they find something of a value in a ground beneath the tribal people.
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David90
7:01 AM PDT
 
 
You are an idiot.
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Kidhorn
7:30 AM PDT
 
 
None of these people are completely isolated. They don't live in air conditioned homes, but they have access to basic modern necessities like shoes.
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Caupolican
6:53 AM PDT
 
 
Nice article, shows some very revealing data. Also it is interesting the ambient temperature comparison. 10 thousand years ago the temp might have been cooler to allow the hunters to sleep more. if at 10 pm the temperature is too hot you may no be able to sleep without waking up from the sweet and maybe these people wait until a more cooler temp sets in.
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Hartwell Thurmond Crim
6:37 AM PDT
 
 
Maybe our modern world is too much for our natural sleep pattern's to allow us to recover from. Maybe we're so stressed we simply need more sleep but our bodies aren't wired for it.
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