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AIG门,恐怖门!美国人民被政客卖了都不知道

(2009-03-18 18:13:17) 下一个


AIG 门,恐怖门!美国人民被政客卖了都不知道
 


美国有线电视新闻网( CNN )一篇报道让我读后感慨万千,也有点毛骨悚然,原来联盟刺激法案允许发奖金。眼下闹得沸沸扬扬的 AIG 奖金丑闻原来根源在国会或联邦府,这里藏有蛀虫。

那些争相表态要剥夺 AIG 经理们的奖金的民主党领袖们,面对一个很难回答的关键问题:为什么在当初没有采取措施,以防止这种奖金的发放?

民主党参议院银行委员会主席 Chris Dodd 说,他根本不知道那些豁免条款如何得以被插入最近通过的刺激法案。

哦,原来国会上个月制定刺激法案时,曾有一项动议以防止接受政府 Bailout 的部门主管乱发奖金。然而,最后被批准的法案里,文字被做了手脚,原先的动议被拿掉了,并加进了让 AIG 有豁免权的一些条文。
 
在有线电视新闻网采访时, Dodd 否认自己插入了那些条文,并坚持,他不知道那些条文是如何被塞进法案里的。
 
Dodd 告诉有线电视新闻网 “ 我当时起草的文件,没有现在的语言。 ”

民主党多位参议院领袖们也都否认他们对豁免条例塞入刺激法案知情。

奇怪的是,一方面原有的限制条款被神不知鬼不觉地抽出,另一方面让 AIG 乱发奖金的豁免条款被悄悄的塞入刺激法案。

据说美国参议院通过了一项两党都支持的的修正案,旨在对那些获得联邦援助的公司发放的奖金征税,除非该公司将这些奖金的钱还给政府。 但是,当时白宫和众议院闭门匆匆谈判时,这些条款被人拿掉了,却未能发觉。

美国参议院财政委员会主席鲍卡斯说 “ 老实说,当时一切都很匆忙 - 我们谈论的是让刺激法案获得通过,我没有时间,其他的与会者也没有时间来仔细查对许多已被大幅修改了的条款。

斯诺在接受采访时告诉有线电视新闻网 “ 我们本不该走到今天这步,本应可以跨越这一坎,但我们没能成功。” “我们尝试了,但却未能如愿,这是一个悲剧,因此才有今天的这一切。”

总之-句话,从这件事中,国会议员们拿国家法令当儿戏,拿纳税人的血汗钱当手纸可见一斑。神圣的法案被他们肆意篡改,却无人知晓,美国人民被他们玩于鼓掌之中。有一天,我们都被卖掉了,回头这帮政客会斩钉截铁地、痛哭流涕地说:

“我真的不知道是谁干的,这是一个悲剧。”


原文参见:
Bonuses allowed by stimulus bill

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/17/aig.bonuses.congress/index.html


CNN最新消息:参议院银行委员会主席克里斯托弗•多德(Dodd)告诉有线电视新闻网表示,他自己对语言添加到联邦刺激法案负责。这是对他一天前的否定之否定。

Dodd承认他在这件所谓乌龙中所起的关键作用,但他把责任推给了奥巴马政府,因为是政府官员施压后,而别人又不愿修改,才迫使他来了个“狸猫换太子”。

据说,政府官员担心,如果不按原先的合同让AIG发奖金,政府将面临许多诉讼。

看来,这件事会被政敌用来大举攻击,奥巴马政府失信、民主党要员失德,民愤越来越大,100天不到的奥巴马新政将遭遇重大挫折。



参见:

Dodd: Administration pushed for language protecting bonuses

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/18/aig.bonuses.congress/index.html



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武胜 回复 悄悄话 注意参院共和党动态: 共和党在参议院阻碍受援金融企业高收入者的奖金加税法案,他们才是华尔街的"保护神",居然有脸拿奖金案来攻击民主党政府,想要将民众怒火从金融机构移开,打击政治对手比整治经济重要.
nywalker 回复 悄悄话 回复浪宽的评论:

立法征100%奖金税也只是口号,法律上很难成立。现在只有AIG员工自己把奖金还回来才是唯一能讨回的办法。

目前AIG还有1万六千亿美元($1.6Trillion)赔偿金合约暴露在信贷违约掉期(CDS)市场,(前面已经消化了1万两千亿),政府和AIG都要靠这些AIG员工处理掉这一万六千亿衍生性金融商品(credit derivative),只有制造这些金融商品的AIG金融高手才知道最快最有效的方法处理掉或对冲掉这些金融垃圾。

如果这些高手一气之下一起离开AIG,其他金融公司会马上把他们请去,用他们对政府和AIG这一万六千亿暴露合约进行反对冲来赚取更多的暴利和奖金。纳税人的损失就远大于这一亿多奖金了。

这次纳税人被套牢了。
浪宽 回复 悄悄话 回复nywalker的评论:
对极了。所有这些家伙屁股都不干净,只是技巧高低而已。叫得最凶的也许最臭。那个Dodd周二大叫没干,周三又反悔了。原来他自己是原凶。
浪宽 回复 悄悄话 回复武胜的评论:
谢谢武胜.国会没法阻止发奖金,但可以立法征税讨还.这也是一招。但我有点担心,如果这招滥用会伤及无辜。国会权利太大也不好。

原先有人鼓噪让AIG还钱,我觉得是瞎起哄。AIG本没钱才找政府要的呀。他们把钱还给你政府,然后你再借给他,有什么意义呢?
武胜 回复 悄悄话 国会止损方法通过:加税讨还,而且也包括其它接受援助的企业。
武胜 回复 悄悄话 尽管原因不象很多人说得那么简单,这件事情新政府只好概括承受,特别是Geithner很早就介入救援AIG。注意共和党正在把AIG当作攻击武器,全然无视前共和党政府在initiate bailout plan时的责任,也不提法律责任的难处。他们在意的不是救经济的迫切性,而是政争选举。他们现在希望经济搞糟,希望给Obama难堪,仅此而已。Bill Clinton早有告诫这种情况的发生,因为他深有体会。
nywalker 回复 悄悄话 在当时布什政府决定拯救金融公司时就已经出卖了美国纳税人。
从社会阶层角度看,这场金融危机实质是一场社会阶层之间的财富大转移: 华尔街金融帝国高级阶层勾结政客通过制造“纸上财富“拿到巨额奖金的形势将未来纳税人的财富转移到自己口袋里。

AIG的错在于发奖金的事让媒体走漏了风声。。。
huhohu 回复 悄悄话 看看美国人的反应:

this guy had a lot to do with the mess at Fannie and Freddie. his constituents must be proud. think it shows we need term limits. the power of the incumbency is too great
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bigalhall 1:25 PM
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oblamie Yes he did!!!!
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bunggy 1:29 PM
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bigalhall: Term limits sound good but congress will never enact it. We as the people just need to vote these crooks out!
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lost_in_time88 1:30 PM
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"This was a huge bill," Baucus said. "We agreed on structure. Then when staffs and Treasury get in the room and actually write it, that's where it got dropped. And frankly, it was such a rush, talking about the stimulus bill right now, to get it passed, I did not have time, other conferees did not have time to address many of the provisions that were modified significantly. We do the best we can, but we missed that stuff as a result."++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++What? If you don't know what the heck was in it then why where you all voting for it?????
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lost_in_time88 1:32 PM
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An old Navy statement. When the Rats start fighting with each other to jump ship, it is time to jump yourself. Vote all these guys out. Every last one of them. Or plan on jumping ship.
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mlschmi 1:33 PM
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On Tuesday he said he had NOTHING to do with it. On Wednesday he said he DID have something to do with it. The latest is that he had something to do with it but ONLY becuase the Higher Ups told him to. Please verify all of this for yourselves. "I didn't" "I did" "I DID....but because I was told to." Oh my God....What a shame. PREDICTION: Barney Frank is NEXT. What a shame....
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mbeliv 1:33 PM
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I think it is Sen. Dodd is responsible for the great Financial Cleanup but Mr. Geighner has a big, big, big, fat financial liar!!!! But the president is not responsible for the mess. Because, Senator Dodd use the key words of our financial system in America.
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longeagle88 1:34 PM
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If I used the line "We do the best we can, but we missed that stuff as a result" at my job, I would be fired immediately. How do we put a stop to this madness that we call government?
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larsphem 1:34 PM
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So they missed it. Chris Dodd and Treasury messed up on this in the rush to finish the bill. But I can tell you he is a good man and one of the most outspoken people in Congress when it comes to standing up for average Americans. Pass the windfall profits tax to recoup these AIG bonuses and get back to business.
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hopesprings52 1:34 PM
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Of course the administration asked him to leave the bonuses in...because the administration is beholden to the CEOs for the millions of $$ given during the campaign. Chicago politics, my good man!
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navylady63 1:34 PM
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hopesprings52: Do you know how naive you sound?
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lost_in_time88 1:36 PM
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blah blah blahthey all knewlooks like we got fooled againmaybe thats why wall street backed obama and not hillary?
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lndlouis 1:36 PM
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The problem with voting all these crooks out is that the American people are too stupid to replace them with nothing but more crooks. Honestly, who but a crook would want their job anyway?
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Cheshire9337 1:37 PM
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This is getting rich.. I mean, you just can't make up chit like this and be so entertaining!!
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d_dblu_p 1:38 PM
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Senator Dodd is nothing more than a two face politician. I am sure in his thoughts I CAN LIE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND NOT GET CAUGHT. Senator you can lie to us but sooner or later it will come out. If I the power to put you in jail you would be there along witth Barney Frank, and the SEC. You are as much at fault as are the ilk that caused such a financial crisis here in American and it snowballed around the world. RESIGN YOU TWO FACED LIER!
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BillB.3251 1:38 PM
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People in Connecticut must be really stupid to keep electing Dodd. He's an idiot and a moron all in one. Same as voters in Massachusetts electing Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy. Another couple of idiots whose times have come.
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newamerica1 1:40 PM
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All of the politicians, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Tim Geithner, Obama, etc...are simplycrooks. Their hands are soaked in corruption and money grabbing greed and it is all starting to unravel. They are disgusting.
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Morrison3000 1:40 PM
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looks like the start of one of the most corrupt administrations to see the whitehouse.....GIVE HIM A CHANCE HE HAS ONLY BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 2 MONTHS....A CHANCE? WE CANT WAIT ANOTHER MONTH...WITH THIS CORRUPT BUNCH AND WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOVE DOWN OUR THROATS> WHAT AN OBAMANTION.
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catman6917 1:40 PM
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Resign you two faced lier. It would be better for the country.
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BillB.3251 1:40 PM
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100% sleeze. Vote the bum outand vote in term limits.
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captdale3 1:41 PM
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Amazing.. abc put this as a headline... let's see how long it stays there... only thing is the "not my fault" subhead left out a key element - it was "Obama administration that asked him to do it"
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swenk222 1:42 PM
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"...when Treasury was shown the original Dodd amendment language, it raised legal concerns about the effect of the legislation on pre-existing contracts, pointing out that there could be litigation as a result."That would have been horrible. After all, there's such a shortage of lawyers in government...
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creeper1014 1:42 PM
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yeah sure, Obama wanted AIG to get bonuses. RIdiculous. Not a reason in the world why he wouldhave allowed that. WHat is up with Dodd??? He is so knee deep in this crap, I hope he resigns. Is he up for reelection??
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WillWinterNeverEnd 1:43 PM
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100% slimy politician. Vote the bum out and vote in term limits.
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captdale3 1:43 PM
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Well. Obama has already taken "responsibility" has he not? Oh. Not really? Let's watch him toss this back to Bush. I'll bet Axelrod is already working on that teleprompter presentation. Let's just write this off along with earmarks, pork, lobbyists, and every other lie told to implant this socialist regime. Don't worry, Dodd and Frank are watching out for your financial future while Pelosi seeks Latino votes by keeping illegal workers working in California and Reid sets up his train set from Disneyworld to Vegas. My, but we are a stupid people!
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n_erdowell 1:44 PM
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河里的石头1 回复 悄悄话 回复武胜的评论:
有这么一个说法, 当美国国会通过一项法律时,它成了笑话;当国会开了个玩笑时,它成了法律。 (When Congress pass a bill, it is a joke; when Congress make a joke, it turns into law)
浪宽 回复 悄悄话 奥巴马这样搞下去可能会在2010年被共和党夺回参议院多数,那样的话,他也就别想做任何大事了,2012年能否连任就不好说了。
浪宽 回复 悄悄话 谢谢楼下诸位的评论.

美国法律确实有其漏洞。国会立法者与大商家联合其来欺骗老百姓。他们的任期没用限制,他们可以往任何法案里塞进自己的黑货。法是他们定的,现在要改,真是比登天还难。

中国是人大与法,如果上面有好人,还可以为老百姓做点好事。虽然这种可能性不大。

武胜:
我同意你的部分看法。垄断企业绑架经济,绑架政府,绑架全民,一定要采取措施改变,否则后患无穷。
至于政府已有AIG80%的股份,政府是否有权对任何一项合同重新评估我也不懂。

美国完不了,奥巴马倒确有大麻烦。

同意石头人:实质应该修改《破产法》,有连带责任才行,企业破产,相应高管也应随之破产。

AIG之于政府有如儿子之于父母,父母(政府)离不开儿子(AIG),而儿子却可以无所顾忌,破罐破摔。
bong 回复 悄悄话 有OBAMA在,这种事不出也难。这就是OBAMA的社会主义,和中国的确实很像。
中国民主 回复 悄悄话 再回复zuanzuan的评论:

我们经常看到在中国许多贪官被杀被关,而在米国你见过几个政客和有钱人被起诉的?在米国政客们做任何事情都是“合法的”,因为他们的确都是依“法”行事!你所说的可能能够用来解释这些现象。
中国民主 回复 悄悄话 回复zuanzuan的评论:
你说的有些道理!如果你了解米国的“政法”系统是如何工作的,你就会明白为什么“金子定理”在米国是那么的适用--“The man who has gold makes rules ” 这就是你所说的“走前门,明目张胆地干不法的事”的原因!可怜的普通米国老百姓那里知道这么多--他们的脑早就被洗空了!
武胜 回复 悄悄话 国会和政府里有大资本的代表毫不奇怪,最好有机会揪几个出来. 但问题的焦点是:如果现在所有人都无法合法地取消AIG的奖金合同,那当初国会刺激法案能够取消它么? 立法本身要合法,否则成为笑话. 国会当时握有不给钱的权力,但没有取消合同的权力. 要让奖金合同破局,只有让AIG破产,而评估下来又无法承受.这就叫绑架,垄断企业绑架经济.

现在要做该做的事:通过这件事全面加强监管让BAILOUT更有效.长期来看垄断企业要么拆解,要么国有化,否则后患无穷.
zuncong 回复 悄悄话 回复zuanzuan的评论:

你对美国和中国都缺乏基本的了解。
827 回复 悄悄话 看来美国真的要完了.
viewer 回复 悄悄话 奥巴马曾接受AIG政治捐献

美国国际集团(AIG)巨额奖金案引发的连锁反应,已经开始威胁到美国政府的信誉。财长盖特纳更是首当其冲。AIG虽亏损严重,但去年大选期间,仍进行了大量政治捐献,接受捐献者就包括奥巴马及副总统拜登。

  白宫一名官员称,盖特纳上周二得悉AIG发放花红的事,周三傍晚向AIG行政总裁利迪表达愤怒,要求重新协商,周四知会总统奥巴马,周五再与利迪通电,对方承诺改写将来的花红发放条款。然而,盖特纳始终无法游说利迪取消上周五发放的花红,他做得是否足够饱受质疑,辞职的流言蜚语不胫而走。

  皮尤研究中心18日公布上周一至周四进行的民意调查,发现奥巴马支持度从上月的64%跌至现时的59%。
古筝人 回复 悄悄话 拿中国人民的血汗钱当手纸。这些钱从哪里来的?
枫红满山 回复 悄悄话 最可笑的是麦道夫的窝案,最终可能由其一力承担。这世上,其实无需遮遮掩掩,有利益分配的所在,腐败在所难免,只是老美富得流油时,大家开心,开心就开恩。现在紧缩了,问题还在后面。
无忌哥哥 回复 悄悄话 只管折腾吧。
石头人 回复 悄悄话 非法的贪污可恶,合法的贪污更可恶。实质应该修改《破产法》,有连带责任才行,企业破产,相应高管也应随之破产。
zuanzuan 回复 悄悄话 中国人是走后门、偷偷摸摸地干不法的事,而美国人是走前门,明目张胆地干不法的事!这就是中、美之间的最大差异!
Lyra 回复 悄悄话 都是在忽悠,事实是不做这样的修改AIG根本就不接受救济,AIG是光脚的,破产对那些高管来说也不是承受不了的事,但AIG破产后的烂摊子和对整体经济的影响,政府会是吃不了兜着走,这次是AIG吃定了政府,没别的办法,不改行吗?
s32842 回复 悄悄话 Obama竞选总统时筹集到745M中,AIG送了100K。AIG还送钱给不少议员吧,议员们说这种事不知情岂不是荒唐。他们早就知道了,相互利用罢了。
关连 回复 悄悄话 发点儿奖金不是坏事。Bail out 是为了恢复市场,而不是为了让政府扰乱市场。
789654 回复 悄悄话 I'v really got sick of this kind of essay.
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