pro-Chinese protesters were too aggressive and violent indeed. Why those students are in Canberra, in Australian territory to kicking, attasking and frightening innocent children and women in Australia. If they love to their country these students should be back to China, deport them, Chinese students and nationalists should go home, protest in China. Probably they never have any chance to protest in China, becuase they have no freedom to do it in they own territory.If these people don't respect Australia as a country, they should not be in Australia. Australia is not China. What Mr Rudd is doing now, why he does not to do anything against these violent aggressive pro-Chinese protesters?
Dave:
24 Apr 2008 1:01:55pm
I was at the torch relay this morning as well, and on Northbourne Avenue I saw a mob of Chinese flag waving people screaming at protesters and attempting to rip up a painted 'FREE TIBET' sign.
I was also told by lots of Chinese-flag carrying folk, in no uncertain terms, that "Australia is a horrible country" and we "should be ashamed" for raining on the Chinese Olympic parade.
This is Australia - that kind of behaviour doesn't fly here. Whatever passion these coached-in red flag waving folk have for their ancestral homeland, that passion must not express itself in the way I saw today.
Again, THIS IS AUSTRALIA.
Leraf:
24 Apr 2008 12:16:55pm
The Chinese should be ashamed of themselves. I hope the Chinese Embassy is proud of their countrymen who are harrasing inocent spectators and bullying old people and children or grandchildren. This is VERY un-Australian behaviour and should not be tolerated in Australia. I hope these pro-chinese people were caught on CCTV and can be identified and charged accordingly.
Being proud of your country is one thing, but thugish behaviour is something altogether different!
mr_scruff:
24 Apr 2008 12:18:46pm
As a Canberra resident, I found the pro-China protestors aggressive and offensive this morning. The AFP should have been properly resourced, so that they could make some appropriate arrests, instead of Australian onlookers and families being left feeling intimidated and bullied by bussed-in pro-Chinese demonstrators. Hardly an admirable achievement for the Olympics; I'm left with a nasty taste in my mouth.
lilly:
24 Apr 2008 12:22:27pm
Bloody hell! China should never have been given the opportunity to hold the Olympics. What a discrace! I didn't realise that there are actually Pro-china supporters out there, i thought they would all be ashamed.
Pretty pathetic, running away.
P Cadwell:
24 Apr 2008 12:24:03pm
To the Chinese people residing in Australia.
You and your country should be thouroughly ASHAMED of your actions in Austrapai regarding the Olympic flame.
Do not bring your bad manners and chinese thuggery to this wonderful country that has opened its arms to you and allowed you the privilege of staying here.
Your behaviour is exactly what creates distrust and discrimination.
I suggest that you all pack up and go back to your own country where your police and politicians would put up with your disgusting behaviour---you would all end up in prison----no one needs you.
cj:
24 Apr 2008 12:24:20pm
I've just come back from the torch relay in Canberra. I participated in a protest with Amnesty International, which I thought would be fairly peaceful.
Our group of around 30 people was surrounded by a couple of hundred pro-Chinese supporters near stage 88 and we were basically trapped whilst they shouted at us and told us to go home. It actually started to get a bit violent. They started hitting our signs out of our hands and there was a bit of pushing and shoving, with the police absolutely nowhere to be seen at all.
Finally after about 15 minutes of this, two policeman showed up and escorted us back out.
I mean, its just not on, there were little kids around and these chinese supporters were, as is mentioned in the article, acting with a gang mentality.
John:
24 Apr 2008 12:34:34pm
Such displays of nationalism (well beyond what would be considered patriotic pride) win no friends. Even if they are students they should consider that other students from China will have to wear the reputation that has now been established. This is not a proud day for China.
Patch:
24 Apr 2008 12:34:41pm
I saw a mob of Pro Chinese seriously harass a couple of women in their 50's who had a free tibet poster. Me and my friend who are males in our 20's weren't attacked for some reason. The cowards.
Bev:
24 Apr 2008 12:38:33pm
Absolutely disgusting and disgraceful.
How dare these foreign nationalists come to our peaceful country and attack our citizens with violence. Women and children? Unbelievable and outright sickening. The 0.03% of respect I had for China has now deminished.
Deport these idiots immediately, they are tainting our society. I bet they don't even speak english either.
Australian:
24 Apr 2008 12:39:41pm
Is this gang of pro chinese realising that they have more freedom to express their opinion in Australia than in China. Again they xxxx the mojority of the protest crown here in Australia and show how crude they are in treating others who don't agree with them. This is Australian not China. Shame on you Chinese migrants.
Beau Locks:
24 Apr 2008 12:44:35pm
I also witnessed this behaviour. I was following the torch relay from Parliament House, and jogged with it down to the Lake. I witessed a repeated behaviour from three young Chinese supporters. They would spread out, and run up behind pro-Tibetan/anti-Chinese Government protesters and kick them in the back, before running off into the crowd. I saw this happen at least half a dozen times, as did hundreds, if not thousands of Chinese supporters, none of whom made any effort to discourage this behaviour.
Even though there were hundreds of police protecting the torch and its bearers, they were not making any effort to control the crowd. I raised the issue of people being kicked with three separate police officers. One ignored me, another effectively told me to piss off, and a third said, "So?", and asked what I wanted him to do. I told him I thought he should get on his radio and inxxxx his colleagues of this. He very rudely declined this advice.
I also witnessed a large group of pro-Chinese people with very big Chinese flags go and stand next to a group of Tibetans, and sing what I suspect was the Chinese anthem.
Overall, both groups were well behaved, however I was unimpressed by the antics of some pro-Chinese supporters, not to mention the boys in blue.
DR:
24 Apr 2008 12:44:48pm
I am a Canberra resident and went to show my support for human rights, freedom and peace.
The Pro-China demonstrators abused my small group as we walked past and generally tried to intimidate us. They tried to come into the small peaceful Pro-Tibet rally and had to be held back by the police line.
One Pro-Tibetan supporter we saw was set upon by a group of Chinese and assaulted for carrying a Tibetan flag.
This is disgusting behaviour, we should send them all home. In all my years of peacefully voicing my opinion I have never seen such an appalling lack of respect, kind of like how the Chinese treat Tibet. The Pro-Chinese supporters have brought only shame to their cause.
Wyeth:
24 Apr 2008 12:53:32pm
China sets the propaganda on its people and promotes "Nationalism" to fight against democary and human rights. China also controls all media including internet to censor its people's thinking.
What an autocratic country!
Just thinking about the 1936 Berlin Olympic.
Just thinking about what China does towards a 6-year-old Tibetan children.
(the world's youngest political hostage)
jane:
24 Apr 2008 12:57:01pm
I was afraid that would happen. The sheer number of very patriotic and passionate Chinese people was rather intimidating to the much smaller group of supporters of Tibetans like me. They also seemed very badly inxxxxed, shouting slogans of " One China" - don't they know that the Dalai Lama has not called for Tibet to break away but to have genuine autonomy, enjoy human rights & cultural & religious freedom & that he simply wants dialogue ? The large Chinese contingent seemed to be getting quite wound up when I left the area around the start of the Torch Relay to go to work. It is a shame that they felt the need to dominate the proceedings - they do their country's image no good. I have no problem with China hosting the Olympic Games, but they got the opportunity on the promise of improving human rights - they have failed in that regard & we should remind them of that. Thanks to everyone who was there to support the much smaller group of Tibetans - I got a new sense of what it must be like to be Tibetan inside China today out of today's events. Intimidating is the only word to describe it.
keith Barrett:
24 Apr 2008 1:01:26pm
Eight years ago I went to the Olympic relay; the torch was brought through Glenelg where a small caldron was lit. It was a sense of wonder, humanity; it encapsulated higher stronger faster it got respect the torch gave respect.
虔谦2008-04-24 07:23:12回复悄悄话
Jack Cafferty这段话的原文如下:“Well, I don’t know if China is any different, but our relationship with China is certainly different. We’re in hock to the Chinese up to our eyeballs because of the war in Iraq, for one thing. They’re holding hundreds of billions of dollars worth of our paper. We also are running hundred of billions of dollars worth of trade deficits with them, as we continue to import their junk with the lead paint on them and the poisoned pet food and export, you know, jobs to places where you can pay workers a dollar a month to turn out the stuff that we’re buying from Wal-Mart. So I think our relationship with China has certainly changed. I think they’re basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they’ve been for the last 50 years”.▲ 更多内容阅读登录环球网(www.huanqiu.com)
http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2008-04-16/225115369870.shtml
谢谢你给了我一份痛. 我一时不知说什么好. 这是一个过程, 很痛的过程, 直到中国人到了那真正被尊重的那一天.
我也不喜欢那些留言, 尽管他们说的不无道理. 这是一个冷漠的世界.
以下内容均摘自abc.net.au澳洲网民留言贴:
Jack:
24 Apr 2008 12:44:02pm
pro-Chinese protesters were too aggressive and violent indeed. Why those students are in Canberra, in Australian territory to kicking, attasking and frightening innocent children and women in Australia. If they love to their country these students should be back to China, deport them, Chinese students and nationalists should go home, protest in China. Probably they never have any chance to protest in China, becuase they have no freedom to do it in they own territory.If these people don't respect Australia as a country, they should not be in Australia. Australia is not China. What Mr Rudd is doing now, why he does not to do anything against these violent aggressive pro-Chinese protesters?
Dave:
24 Apr 2008 1:01:55pm
I was at the torch relay this morning as well, and on Northbourne Avenue I saw a mob of Chinese flag waving people screaming at protesters and attempting to rip up a painted 'FREE TIBET' sign.
I was also told by lots of Chinese-flag carrying folk, in no uncertain terms, that "Australia is a horrible country" and we "should be ashamed" for raining on the Chinese Olympic parade.
This is Australia - that kind of behaviour doesn't fly here. Whatever passion these coached-in red flag waving folk have for their ancestral homeland, that passion must not express itself in the way I saw today.
Again, THIS IS AUSTRALIA.
Leraf:
24 Apr 2008 12:16:55pm
The Chinese should be ashamed of themselves. I hope the Chinese Embassy is proud of their countrymen who are harrasing inocent spectators and bullying old people and children or grandchildren. This is VERY un-Australian behaviour and should not be tolerated in Australia. I hope these pro-chinese people were caught on CCTV and can be identified and charged accordingly.
Being proud of your country is one thing, but thugish behaviour is something altogether different!
mr_scruff:
24 Apr 2008 12:18:46pm
As a Canberra resident, I found the pro-China protestors aggressive and offensive this morning. The AFP should have been properly resourced, so that they could make some appropriate arrests, instead of Australian onlookers and families being left feeling intimidated and bullied by bussed-in pro-Chinese demonstrators. Hardly an admirable achievement for the Olympics; I'm left with a nasty taste in my mouth.
lilly:
24 Apr 2008 12:22:27pm
Bloody hell! China should never have been given the opportunity to hold the Olympics. What a discrace! I didn't realise that there are actually Pro-china supporters out there, i thought they would all be ashamed.
Pretty pathetic, running away.
P Cadwell:
24 Apr 2008 12:24:03pm
To the Chinese people residing in Australia.
You and your country should be thouroughly ASHAMED of your actions in Austrapai regarding the Olympic flame.
Do not bring your bad manners and chinese thuggery to this wonderful country that has opened its arms to you and allowed you the privilege of staying here.
Your behaviour is exactly what creates distrust and discrimination.
I suggest that you all pack up and go back to your own country where your police and politicians would put up with your disgusting behaviour---you would all end up in prison----no one needs you.
cj:
24 Apr 2008 12:24:20pm
I've just come back from the torch relay in Canberra. I participated in a protest with Amnesty International, which I thought would be fairly peaceful.
Our group of around 30 people was surrounded by a couple of hundred pro-Chinese supporters near stage 88 and we were basically trapped whilst they shouted at us and told us to go home. It actually started to get a bit violent. They started hitting our signs out of our hands and there was a bit of pushing and shoving, with the police absolutely nowhere to be seen at all.
Finally after about 15 minutes of this, two policeman showed up and escorted us back out.
I mean, its just not on, there were little kids around and these chinese supporters were, as is mentioned in the article, acting with a gang mentality.
John:
24 Apr 2008 12:34:34pm
Such displays of nationalism (well beyond what would be considered patriotic pride) win no friends. Even if they are students they should consider that other students from China will have to wear the reputation that has now been established. This is not a proud day for China.
Patch:
24 Apr 2008 12:34:41pm
I saw a mob of Pro Chinese seriously harass a couple of women in their 50's who had a free tibet poster. Me and my friend who are males in our 20's weren't attacked for some reason. The cowards.
Bev:
24 Apr 2008 12:38:33pm
Absolutely disgusting and disgraceful.
How dare these foreign nationalists come to our peaceful country and attack our citizens with violence. Women and children? Unbelievable and outright sickening. The 0.03% of respect I had for China has now deminished.
Deport these idiots immediately, they are tainting our society. I bet they don't even speak english either.
Australian:
24 Apr 2008 12:39:41pm
Is this gang of pro chinese realising that they have more freedom to express their opinion in Australia than in China. Again they xxxx the mojority of the protest crown here in Australia and show how crude they are in treating others who don't agree with them. This is Australian not China. Shame on you Chinese migrants.
Beau Locks:
24 Apr 2008 12:44:35pm
I also witnessed this behaviour. I was following the torch relay from Parliament House, and jogged with it down to the Lake. I witessed a repeated behaviour from three young Chinese supporters. They would spread out, and run up behind pro-Tibetan/anti-Chinese Government protesters and kick them in the back, before running off into the crowd. I saw this happen at least half a dozen times, as did hundreds, if not thousands of Chinese supporters, none of whom made any effort to discourage this behaviour.
Even though there were hundreds of police protecting the torch and its bearers, they were not making any effort to control the crowd. I raised the issue of people being kicked with three separate police officers. One ignored me, another effectively told me to piss off, and a third said, "So?", and asked what I wanted him to do. I told him I thought he should get on his radio and inxxxx his colleagues of this. He very rudely declined this advice.
I also witnessed a large group of pro-Chinese people with very big Chinese flags go and stand next to a group of Tibetans, and sing what I suspect was the Chinese anthem.
Overall, both groups were well behaved, however I was unimpressed by the antics of some pro-Chinese supporters, not to mention the boys in blue.
DR:
24 Apr 2008 12:44:48pm
I am a Canberra resident and went to show my support for human rights, freedom and peace.
The Pro-China demonstrators abused my small group as we walked past and generally tried to intimidate us. They tried to come into the small peaceful Pro-Tibet rally and had to be held back by the police line.
One Pro-Tibetan supporter we saw was set upon by a group of Chinese and assaulted for carrying a Tibetan flag.
This is disgusting behaviour, we should send them all home. In all my years of peacefully voicing my opinion I have never seen such an appalling lack of respect, kind of like how the Chinese treat Tibet. The Pro-Chinese supporters have brought only shame to their cause.
Wyeth:
24 Apr 2008 12:53:32pm
China sets the propaganda on its people and promotes "Nationalism" to fight against democary and human rights. China also controls all media including internet to censor its people's thinking.
What an autocratic country!
Just thinking about the 1936 Berlin Olympic.
Just thinking about what China does towards a 6-year-old Tibetan children.
(the world's youngest political hostage)
jane:
24 Apr 2008 12:57:01pm
I was afraid that would happen. The sheer number of very patriotic and passionate Chinese people was rather intimidating to the much smaller group of supporters of Tibetans like me. They also seemed very badly inxxxxed, shouting slogans of " One China" - don't they know that the Dalai Lama has not called for Tibet to break away but to have genuine autonomy, enjoy human rights & cultural & religious freedom & that he simply wants dialogue ? The large Chinese contingent seemed to be getting quite wound up when I left the area around the start of the Torch Relay to go to work. It is a shame that they felt the need to dominate the proceedings - they do their country's image no good. I have no problem with China hosting the Olympic Games, but they got the opportunity on the promise of improving human rights - they have failed in that regard & we should remind them of that. Thanks to everyone who was there to support the much smaller group of Tibetans - I got a new sense of what it must be like to be Tibetan inside China today out of today's events. Intimidating is the only word to describe it.
keith Barrett:
24 Apr 2008 1:01:26pm
Eight years ago I went to the Olympic relay; the torch was brought through Glenelg where a small caldron was lit. It was a sense of wonder, humanity; it encapsulated higher stronger faster it got respect the torch gave respect.
Where is the respect?
The respect is earned, not demanded.
Thank you beizi! 读了 Cafferty 原话上下文, 他的确是带有很大的情绪。问候杯子, 祝你一切顺利!
西方国家为什么会如此恐惧中国的强势发展呢?原因只有一个——他们不希望看到中国承担起世界头号强国的历史使命,不希望看到中国的符号成为世界的主流。但是,事实表明,西方国家的这些做法是违背历史的常规发展的;是极端利己主义的错误思想左右的。站在世界的角度上,中国的符号已经成为不可阻挡的,充满生机与活力的大趋势。
...
“中国的五粮液、世界的五粮液”。相信不仅是五粮液,所有积极健康成长的中国符号都正在顺应当今世界文化融合的大趋势,拥有五千年文明史的中华文化必须站在这个趋势的最上方,起到主导作用,将中国文化传播到世界各地,也让中国的特色深入世界人民心中,中国的未来才会更加精彩,中庸和谐的永恒才能得以完美的体现。
http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2008-04-16/225115369870.shtml