Jayant Bhandari 谈印度移民对西方国家的影响

Jayant Bhandari 谈印度移民对西方国家的影响

Jayant Bhandari On The Impact of Indian Migration On Western Countries

Institute for Sound Public 2023年5月5日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjYqQj3-QfA

2023年5月4日，我们与政治、文化、经济和哲学评论家兼散文家 Jayant Bhandari 进行了访谈，探讨了美国和欧洲印度移民群体中普遍存在的种姓歧视问题。您可以在以下平台上了解并关注 Jayant：
https://jayantbhandari.com/about/

Twitter：@JayantBhandari5

美国工人阶级被骗了，这是一种断言，这是科赫兄弟的提议。然后民主党就直接和社团主义者联手了。他们和华尔街军工联合体、化石燃料硅谷勾结。现在看看这个国家发生了什么。我们的收入差距是镀金时代以来最大的。贸易扩张使工人阶级面临的竞争比他们在与低工资国家开展贸易之前要激烈得多。不能说的是，作为一个国家，我们必须做出不同的选择，因为我们做出的选择伤害了劳动人民。议员先生，因为我不知道该告诉你写什么。我不知道该如何应对经济萧条、通货膨胀、俄罗斯人和街头犯罪。我只知道，首先你必须生气，你必须说我是一个人。该死的，我的生命是有价值的。你好，欢迎收听健全公共政策研究所的播客。我是主持人 Kevin Lynn，今晚还有 Giant Bhandari 一起。今晚 Giant 的到来真是太棒了，他将是新更名后的健全公共政策研究所播客和网站的第一位嘉宾，所以欢迎 Giant。谢谢你邀请我，Kevin，也谢谢你邀请我作为你的第一位嘉宾，这太棒了。John，我想做的是，首先向我们的听众介绍一下你自己，然后谈谈我们真正想谈的话题，也就是最近关于美国种姓歧视的一些头条新闻，这是一种新奇的现象。好的，很高兴你来这里，Gian，因为我认为你真的有资格谈论这个话题，因为你是一位政治、经济、社会、文化问题的作家，你为《自由》杂志、米塞斯研究所等机构撰稿，你在美国、加拿大和印度都设有分部。你和 Doug Casey 合作进行 Casey 研究，他的表演才华横溢，是我看过的所有播客中国际化的人物。呃，你的文章被《零对冲》杂志、卢·罗克韦尔·弗雷泽研究所、利布拉·莫尔登经济学杂志收录了。你是一位商品和贵金属专家，你为《北方小矿业杂志》、矿业市场等杂志撰稿，你也是《自由》杂志的特约编辑，而且每年你都会在不列颠哥伦比亚省温哥华举办一场非常有趣的研讨会，名为“资本主义与道德”。不用多说，巨人，欢迎来到节目，感谢凯文邀请我，也感谢你邀请我作为你播客的第一位嘉宾。在新的YouTube页面和新的Twitter动态上，你可能会感到有些孤单，但很快你就会有很多同伴，我相信，这很好。正如我们讨论的那样，我今晚想和你聊天的原因是，加州立法机构刚刚通过了一项关于阶级歧视的法案，今年思科的员工也提起了诉讼，他们认为这是基于种姓的歧视。他们的上司对他们进行歧视，尽管州政府选择不追究，但他们实际上正在提起自己的诉讼，所以我想也许我们应该从吉安开始，首先让观众了解一下什么是演员，然后我们就可以谈谈这种现象是如何随着印度移民浪潮席卷全球而发生的？

Jayant Bhandari 

让我们回顾一下历史，让我总结一下背景，当欧洲人，特别是英国人，抵达印度时，他们看到的是一个野蛮的社会，他们经历了一个野蛮的社会，而英国人是系统论者，工业革命即将在英国开始，因为他们是系统论者，他们试图围绕印度的任意性、混乱、萨维特里和野蛮建立一个结构，这实际上是一个错误，因为通过围绕根本混乱的东西建立一个系统，呃，这呃，正在向后代传达一个潜意识里错误的信息，现在这些印度人对自己的历史没有概念，他们没有保留太多关于自己历史的书面记录印度历史是由英国人发现的，印度宗教经文丢失了，是英国人发现了这些经文，翻译和我们在西方接触到的文本实际上是英国人挖掘这些经文的结果，是的，除了一个印度人，我知道没有一个印度人读过这些文本，所以当印度人谈论或赞美他们所拥有的精神文本的浪漫背景时，他们是在欺骗你，因为他们自己从来没有读过这些文本，但是现在要明白这一点，英国人想要做的是创建一个系统并支撑一个结构，以便向其他人传达他们在印度所看到的东西，但是正如我所说的，他们犯了一个巨大的错误，他们试图围绕混乱创建一个系统，所以他们再次挑选书籍，他们自己找到并翻译的书籍，这有助于他们为他们所看到的东西提供某种结构，然后他们继续将种姓制度定义为四个或五个子群体，现在，现实情况是，即使在今天，实际情况也与这四个或五个种姓制度群体非常不同，印度有三千到三万个种姓和亚种姓，这取决于你问谁，如果你问我，我会告诉你，他们的成本是 14 亿在印度，因为与印度人的每一次互动都意味着制定一个打包订单，这意味着与印度人的每一次互动都会导致一场对话，双方都在试图判断谁将在互动中占上风，谁将处于劣势，所以成本系统是一个人与人之间的分配系统，这就是为什么我说他们在印度花费了14亿美元，这就是为什么呃凯文，总结一下，你知道任何有理智的人都会想对印度的其他人微笑或帮助印度的其他人，因为如果你这样做，你会立即被视为低人一等，属于仆人阶级，因为只有仆人才应该帮助你，有趣的是，我，你带来了你可能让我想起了两天前我和我们在德克萨斯州达拉斯沃斯堡地区的一位活动家的谈话，他正从窗外望出去，他住在一个更大的公寓大楼里，那里的大多数人都是印度人，他认为大多数是家庭，有人在那里持有H-1B签证，那天晚上在娱乐中心吃玉米卷，他看着那个女经理手里端着一堆盘子，你知道，她手里拿着一些袋子，正朝门口走去，门口有一对印度裔夫妇，他们对她微笑，但他们没有开门，就像他说的那样，他从窗户看着，她用腿把门推开，用腿踢开，他们懒得帮忙，我认为这与德克萨斯人看到这种情况的典型反应完全相反，非常有趣，我可以看到这是超越的，因为你知道，作为男人，我发现如果我去参加一个招待会，我在那里，比如说一个社交活动，我们都在寻找阿尔法，谁是领导者，谁是那个人，通常有人会拿出手腕上的劳力士手表，说他是某个公司的负责人，一旦我们知道了这一点，我认为潜意识里我们都会落后我们现在准备出去寻找了，嗯，但这比你说的每一次互动都要深刻得多，就像每次互动一样，我完全同意你的观点，地球上到处都有一套服装系统，但印度的成本和成本系统与西方国家不成比例，在西方，每个人都试图与其他人平等，在印度，每个人都确保自己看起来与其他人不同，这是一个非常原子化的社会，所有的社交互动都是为了在等级制度中确立自己的位置，有趣的是，你知道我今晚想和你谈的一件事是，嗯，思科发生的事情，我提到过，一些印度裔员工觉得他们受到了其他印度经理的歧视，不久前，我和一家科技公司的经理谈话，他，嗯，一个美国人，我们谈到了他公司的 H-1B 计划，因为我说，嗯，你知道，他说凯文明白，我们支付给在这里工作的 H-1B 签证持有者美国和其他国家一样，他们都一样，赚同样的钱，享受同样的福利，但我们面临的问题是部落主义正在形成，呃，他是这样阐述的，我很想听听你对此的看法，因为我认为这与你刚才说的类似，他说他们有一个农场团队，他们有一个公司，你知道，你知道在印度有一个前哨，一家在印度的公司在那里开展业务，他说，为了开展这项业务，你必须是一个超级好斗的男人，然后从那里去美国，你必须是一个超级好斗的男人，这些人来到这里，他们似乎关心的是，你知道，权力在筑墙。确保他们的职业生涯能够经受住其他一切的考验，他们面临的问题是，这些人似乎非常具有部落意识，与世界其他地方的人截然不同，所以我想请你对此发表意见，同时，请你谈谈你对美国出现的种姓制度的看法，这是否是好事，这显然不是好事，但你对这些案例有什么看法？我们应该在哪里特别关注？我们应该从中学到什么？凯文，让我先回复你的第一条评论。我曾经在一家Amari公司工作，负责跟踪他们在印度的投资组合。作为该公司的分析师，我可以打电话给北美任何一家公司的首席执行官，他都会接听我的电话。但跟踪印度投资组合的问题是，如果我打电话给印度的一家公司，接待员会问我的职位，然后她会说我不能和首席执行官通话，因为我的职位不适合这家印度公司的首席执行官，然后他/她会接听电话。我只和他们公司里有类似职位的人打交道，所以这又告诉你那个国家存在的包装系统。凯文，在过去的 13 年里，我在费城和旧金山待了很长时间，我生活在海地人的生态系统中，在这两个城市，在我住过的每栋公寓楼里，当然有很多印度人，他们分组不仅基于他们的成本，还基于他们所说的语言，我在这里谈论印度人，他们的宗教信仰，他们来自哪里，所以你看到所有这些子群体在这些所谓的受过教育的印度人中，所以回应你的第三条评论，通过引入所有这些移民，你带来了这些人的文化问题。现在我一直听到美国人说，他们对合法移民没有问题。问题是，你大量引进这么多人，让他们变得聪明，你仍然带来了一个巨大的文化问题。他们之所以被允许变得聪明，是因为你引进了这么多人，他们总能找到一个自己的同类，而从不试图融入美国社会，最终的结果是，正如你提到的，你现在正在进行一项法律程序，你想
制定法律来反对成本歧视，这等于承认
所有人都承认，成本制度现在在美国存在，而你
把印度的问题也带来了。问题是，你为什么要把所有这些
问题带到美国？是的，我们真的不需要
H-1B签证。在我们深入探讨这个问题之前，我想听听你对另一件事的看法，因为对我来说，
有一条分界线，它始于1990年之前和1990年之后。呃，当我
还是个孩子的时候，在六七十年代长大，如果有一位印度人、菲律宾人或
香港医生在我的小乡村社区工作，
他们是最棒的，呃，特别是有一位医生，他很早就诊断出我姐姐的一个同学有脊柱问题，所有
像我们这样的美国医生根本没意识到这一点，真是太神奇了。所以，如果你在这里，
几乎就像哇，你是最棒的。1990 年移民改革法案出台后，我们看到 H-1B 签证诞生了，
它就成了一条通道，因为每年获得 H1B 签证的人中，超过 73% 的人来自印度，
印度被认为是廉价劳动力的通道，基本上是为公司老板提供契约劳工，
所以他们才来这里。我的意思是，这就是原因。但正如你所说，除了实际取代可能需要培训他们工作的美国人之外，
这一切还会带来一些严重的后果。是的，这些印度人可能收入最高，或者说，
作为一个群体，平均而言，
但问题是，他们的思维方式仍然不是西方的，
他们把他们的成本体系、他们的偏见带入了美国，结果就是这些被隔离的富裕、受过良好教育的印度人
是的，在今天的北美，是的，而且可能在你看来，
因为在我看来，除非
美国公民奋起反抗，要求限制移民，
就像我们在1924年那样，否则你看不到这种情况。因为大多数美国人并不完全理解，
在1924年到1965年之间，我们几乎没有净移民进入美国。
我们建立了中产阶级，我母亲在1952年来到美国，那段时期，每个人都很好地融入了美国。
当时，限制性很强，监管也很好。但你提到14亿人，
那意味着印度有14亿人。我最近读到一篇文章，他们预测，到2030年，可能会有5亿印度人无法获得水资源。
所以我看不到任何曲线会走向哪里。关于什么会降低呃
美国移民的数量？嗯，我不知道你从哪里得到这个数字。呃，大多数印度人无法获得水。凯文，呃，直到我到了西部，我才意识到，水龙头里可以24小时都有水。嗯，即使在印度最好、最城市化、最富裕的地区，你每天也只能获得几个小时的自来水，这就是水龙头的极限。嗯，这个国家很大一部分人，呃，很容易就超过
5亿人无法获得自来水，他们不得不去
污水渠取水。所以，呃，是的，这个国家完全是
野蛮的，仍然很野蛮，西方体系将面临巨大的压力，因为任何了解世界的人，哪怕只是模糊地
都会试图离开，试图离开印度，移居美国。现在有大量非法难民从墨西哥边境进入美国。而且随着时间的推移，这个数字还会继续增长，因为，嗯，事实上，如今地球上五分之一或六分之一的人是印度人。有趣的是，我想听听你的
想法。嗯，我读到过，印度每年有大约450万人进入劳动力市场，然后我也看到过1200万人，我不确定确切的数字。
而且有很多传言，当我听到华盛顿特区的官僚们说，嘿，我们要减少对中国的依赖，把制造业转移到印度，比如Foxpro，他们要把业务转移到印度，我就感到害怕。
我想，天哪，难道我们从贪婪中没有学到什么吗？嗯，你对此有什么看法？我的意思是，你能实现印度工业化吗？你能在印度建立中产阶级吗？我的意思是，从你刚才告诉我的来看，可能不行。
哦，凯文，我过去25年来一直在写关于印度的文章，你可以
回到我的文章，你可以回到我10到15年前在YouTube上发表的演讲，我告诉人们不要拿印度和中国比较，这是一种愚蠢的比较。这两个国家根本无法比较。嗯，从印度的印象来看，中国是发达国家。中国在不断进步，而印度则在不断退化。所以这两个国家之间根本没什么联系。印度如今是地球上污染最严重的国家之一。如果你看看地球上所有污染国家的名单，你会发现其中大部分是印度，还有一些在中东。但这是因为中东一些城市的空气中有很多沙子。所以我经常去中国。Kevin，中国人。环境每年都在显著改善。哦，真的。这不像我们10年前去中国的时候那样。如果你在上海穿着一件白衬衫，到晚上就会变成黄色。嗯，你知道上海仍然有污染吗？中国很多地方仍然有污染，但与过去相比，情况已经大大改善了。
中国正在变得文明，中国至少实现了工业化。印度
甚至没有工业化，就污染了自己，破坏了环境。
甚至没有开始工业化，印度就没有工业化。
几乎所有流入印度的可用产品都来自中国。如果你去买一个塑料玩具，它就是中国制造的。所以，如果你认为制造业会转移到印度，那你知道，这是那些对现实一无所知的人胡编乱造的。我一直在建议西方国家
在印度投资，我说大多数人不要投资，因为他们中的大多数人最终都会赔光所有的钱。
他们在印度投资，但尽管我说大多数人不要投资，但其中一些人因为特殊情况，我建议在印度投资。
嗯，但你必须永远记住，印度人极其缺乏教育，极其缺乏技能，而且这主要是这是一个野蛮残暴的社会，
那里没有法治，呃，所有机构都被彻底掏空了，统治这个国家的是一群非常腐败的人。
而我们谈论的是那些统治这个国家的人。
你对莫迪和他周围的阴谋集团有什么看法？
嗯，我的意思是，莫迪声称他
在开始他的政治生涯之前，
曾在一个火车站当过茶叶小贩。这说明他实际上没有在印度生活过。
我对这些小贩没有任何意见，凯文，但这能让你对这个国家有一定的了解。
资质和理解。呃，比如莫迪。呃，
去查查莫迪接受过的任何采访，你什么也找不到。
莫迪不接受记者采访，他甚至不向任何听众发表讲话，也不回答任何人的问题。呃，
他总是对人们发表预先准备好的独白，这说明他
理解他之所以在那里，是因为他的政党已经成立。这种反穆斯林宣传，我没什么好说的关于穆斯林，凯文，但
因为同一枚硬币有两面，记住这一点非常重要，这些人是低种姓
高种姓的穆斯林和印度教徒，他们都是同一枚硬币的一部分。
嗯，他们中没有人有什么特别之处，莫迪正在利用印度教的狂热来加强他对国家的控制，这正把这个国家引向巴基斯坦20年前走上的老路。
有趣的是，似乎没有任何办法
摆脱困境，因为很明显，他不是一个经验丰富的官僚，他对政府本身不熟悉，他只是刚上任，却以煽动家的身份领导。
绝对没有办法摆脱这种情况，这就是为什么每个印度人
都能离开这个国家，
这个国家正在分崩离析。
我之所以这么说，凯文，是因为尽管如果你上CNN，
或者如果你去……德国大使，或者如果你去呃，我不是在说
美国商务部长最近的会谈，他们
对印度异常兴奋，他们认为印??度是
将为世界带来增长的地方，这告诉我两件事
要么这些人完全愚蠢，要么他们试图
将印度定位为对抗中国的地方。现在记住，呃，凯文，虽然
呃，印度和印度教在西方人看来可能很可爱，
而且
都可接受，但他们不是你的朋友，因为
所有与印度有关的事物的根基都是野蛮、野蛮、非理性和奇想，
这没有齿轮，两种文化之间没有
呃，同步，而这些站点，包括
中国，他们本能地想要复制西方的基础，而中国人也复制了
西方的方式，如果你去巴黎或伦敦，你会看到很多中国人，因为他们想要复制和粘贴
欧洲人的行为模式，现在也许这是错误的，但是至少他们在试图理解和模仿他们自认为优雅的东西，对吧？我的意思是，一切都是从那里开始的。日本人开始了，香港人开始了，然后是新加坡人，接着是韩国人，现在中国人也开始模仿。中国东亚，无论它是什么，今天都是他们接受的良好价值观的产物，他们为了自身目的而改编和采纳了这些价值观。在南亚，他们是享乐主义者，他们没有道德基础，这意味着他们实际上没有道德基础。他们在短期内看起来很可爱，但对你们的文化没有任何贡献。有意思的是，你认为西方文明最重要的三个方面是什么？
就你个人而言，西方文明最重要的三个方面是什么？
你认为西方文明最重要的三个方面是什么？这些方面无法被复制，而且可能
因为这些大规模移民而处于危险之中。嗯，不是，也可能处于危险之中。
西方社会决定通过大量引进第三世界人口来切腹自杀，而这种趋势是无法逆转的。问题是，如今在西方世界的许多地方，来自第三世界的人比欧洲人生育的孩子更多，所以这种趋势
现在已经不可逆转了，不幸的是，对大多数西方国家来说，西方世界的三大优点是什么？我希望你能知道。请用……来定义这三点。凯文，这是一件非常潜移默化的事情。西方社会是唯一一个从动物王国中诞生的文明，这使得人类区别于动物。有很多东西，我不知道，很多人说，基督教对西方社会具有破坏性，也许基督教
具有破坏性，也许它极大地促进了西方社会构建道德结构。嗯，理性的概念源于希腊罗马体系，即我们所说的日耳曼部落的野蛮人，他们
有荣誉感，他们是战士，而成为战士有很多价值。身为勇士，有荣誉感、正直、集体精神，所以西方在两千年的时间里积累了许多品质，才成就了今天的西方。呃，我不是在谈论经济，你可能真的很穷，而是在谈论智力、精神、心理和情感的成长。呃，这些始于欧洲，带来了经济进步，最重要的是，带来了智力的进步，带来了哲学，带来了道德行为结构。所以，总结一下，凯文，你知道，我不能和一个美国左翼人士坐在一起，我是一个你能想到的最右翼的人。我可以和他进行一次像样的交谈，他可以彼此不同意，我们可以完全不同意对方的观点，但我们最终仍然可以握手言和。或者至少如果我和右翼印度人有类似的争论，就不要再互相交谈了。即使我们在大多数观点上意见一致，问题在于，他可能会因为一些细微的分歧而对我大喊大叫。这就是潜意识里的想法。嗯，嗯，两千年来欧洲文明的基础已经非常牢固，创造了欧洲文明的青年。对吧？有趣的是，你这句话在我脑海里引发了很多想法。对吧？我们说，我很难把它概括出来。这句话来自维多利亚时代，我想到的是，就像英国人会说的，作为英国人，你知道这意味着什么吗？嗯，显然有很多事情，你知道一个人的举止，你知道很多事情，然后，嗯，当我们看……呃，就在最近，社交媒体上有一篇帖子，是一些……呃，印度记者说，天哪，看看美国所有这些科技公司，还有他们的……我知道
其中一些人也参与其中，而且还有这种对男性的依赖。我看到很多H-1B签证持有者和那些推动H-1B签证计划、吸引更多印度移民的人，感觉就像，天哪，他们懂技术，却不懂技术。对我来说，这几乎就像有人在跑马拉松，然后这个人在最后两英里冲刺，
冲过终点线，然后说，我刚跑完一场马拉松。就像，等一下，美国科技公司
的根源可以追溯到20世纪20年代和30年代的创新和生产力，这导致了真空管的出现，二战后晶体管和半导体的出现，这构成了一整套基础设施，现在有人把开发应用程序和提升谷歌等服务的价值的功劳归于自己，这让我大吃一惊。这不是一个好兆头，因为我想听听你对另一次谈话的看法，呃，我和一家科技制造公司的主管进行了一次谈话，我预计会遭到很多反对，因为我在早餐时把他们逼到墙角，谈论H-1B签证计划，他说凯文，我同意你的观点，然后他说，是的，你看，我们在班加罗尔有一个团队，如果我告诉他们具体该怎么做，他们会做得非常好，但如果我带着一个问题去找他们，他们解决不了，但在这里，我告诉世界其他地方的人，嘿，这是一个问题，几周后他们会回来，嘿，让我们把这个问题抛在一边，试着解决这个问题，所以他说我们的创新受到了打击，你知道20年来，你一直在遵循这个效率模型，呃，利润最大化，你知道，降低成本，呃，你知道，把一切都搞砸了，但创新受到了损害，最终生产力也受到了损害，呃，事情不得不重新做呃
所以，我想听听你对我刚才所说的，以及其含义的看法，最终这是否会让你说，
我们只需要终止这种移民，凯文，我之前说过，
我过去曾为印度的一些公司提供咨询，我
一直看到的是，大公司不能讨论政治，因为政治被认为是
政治不正确的。所以，如果董事会里有人站出来，
说，嘿，这就是你们通过
引进某些人给我们的合作带来的问题，凯文，这个人会怎么样？他会立刻被解雇，他会立刻被
解雇。所以，剩下的都是政治正确的人，他们不想
挑战这种来自第三世界国家的持续移民，
而且他们很少会让我加入，因为呃，某个有良知的人
希望我说出他们不做的脏事。想做，嗯，我很乐意做，嗯，当然，咨询费也不错，嗯，但嗯，这是一个你必须要面对的问题。要记住，有多少架飞机从天上掉下来，是因为软件不行，嗯，波音737 Max，他们外包给了HCL，比如韩国的一家印度咨询公司。现在，谁有勇气公开说，这是因为他们把工作外包给了印度，因为那个人不想在说出来的时候显得种族歧视，这只是事实，没有别的，所以你，嗯，你知道，正如我所说，我在IT公司的生态系统里已经待了13年，经常有人在喝了几杯啤酒后告诉我，软件的质量有时太差，以至于他们不得不在几年后重写，但现任经理们并不在意，因为到那时，软件的问题出现时，他们已经转向了其他东西。它们是由印度以低廉的成本制造的这些问题开始浮现，所以你知道，这是政治正确、短期主义和企业周边的自我感觉良好因素的结合。现在你谈到了IT行业的印度人，请记住，大多数大公司里的印度高层都是管理人员，他们不是创新者，他们在那里工作，
不是因为他们创新，而是因为遵循指令。很多在湾区和其他IT行业的印度人，或者说，在日常桌面工作，都是低级的软件程序员，很多人将被人工智能取代。嗯，情况就是这样，我见过很多CVS，都是假的。
嗯，每个人都为H1B1签证伪造CVS，这对警察来说是一种趋势。他们是
帮助你创造的公司，这就是全部，这是一个公开的秘密，每个人都知道，每个人都在谈论。
但不知何故，我甚至不知道为什么美国政府对此无动于衷。这太猖獗了。我和一个在加州做技术招聘的人聊过，她说这周我已经看到三个人发了同一份简历了，这很正常。呃，我被带去了一个政府机构，一个联邦政府机构。带我去的人说，别把手机放在口袋里，跟我一起走。在这家公司，几乎全是印度人，几乎全是印度人，而且他们正在打电话。我问他们为什么都在偷懒，他说不不不，他们在和印度的技术支持人员打电话。因为印度的技术员写代码的技术太差了，他们让那些人接管他们的机器，为他们写代码。呃，这就是我们面临的情况。呃，现在是一场逐底竞争，你……这让我很沮丧。我很想听听你对那些正在试图在美国科技界复兴的人的建议。让工人
回来，让他们再次找到有收入的工作，但在这种环境下非常困难。
所有的招聘人员似乎都来自印度，而且似乎优先考虑外国人而不是美国人。
所以，如果你要给我这样的人一些建议，让我们的研究所
制定合理的公共政策，制定战略，你有什么建议吗？
所以，凯文，我现在在东京。
你知道，我想告诉你，看看东亚做了什么。
东亚做得非常好。日本是完全的。
一直被主流媒体贬低。
日本是地球上最好的国家之一。
嗯，看看中国正在发生多么巨大的增长。
看看台湾和
韩国。他们没有。
他们设法从自己的人民中受益。
他们创造了一个基本上同质的社会。99%的日本人是日本人，剩下的1%是
韩国人和中国人，他们很快就融入了他们的社会。
所以呃，你知道，在任何时候，他们实际上都不会引进超过……你知道，超过一小撮人进入他们的国家，所以，你知道，保持同质化是有价值的，因为这样就不会有文化冲突，而这种冲突在一个异质化社会中才会爆发。嗯，为什么一定要引进外来人呢？如果你引进外来人，要确保他们像新加坡和香港那样，在工作结束后离开这个国家，不要给他们长期签证，不要给他们……护照，也不要给他们几代人的投票权。据我在加拿大听到的，即使你不是加拿大公民，你也可以在地方选举中投票，所以，在今天的西方世界，我们简直是……完全疯狂和愚蠢。是的，同情心已经……同情心已经变成了一种癌症。同情心和宽容已经……在今天的西方世界完全失控了。是的，也许这是一种……一种包罗万象的颓废。呃，也许吧事情对我们来说太容易了，或者你知道，这里面有骗局，比如几周前我严厉批评了我们当地的市议会，他们想做的是，把25万美元的联邦资金，
给一个志愿机构，而这个机构每年已经获得1.14亿美元的联邦资金，
帮助他们在这个小城市重新安置更多来自世界各地的难民。
他们觉得这样做很荣幸，而我
只是让他们吃尽了苦头，但我是一个种族主义者、仇外主义者、民族主义者。
你知道这是一场悲剧，我，我，我，我坚信，最终，
总会有不好的时候，但如果社会凝聚力强，
你可以信任你身边的人、你左边的人和你右边的人，你的处境就会好得多，这似乎就是你想对我说的，呃，是的，嗯，绝对的，呃，凯文，是的 不不仅仅是信任，而是相似性或价值观，呃，事实上，你没有我们刚才谈到的种姓制度，你没有新的问题，比如杀害女婴或法定年龄，所有这些问题最初都不是欧洲的问题，它们越来越成为欧洲的问题，因为你引入了不同的文化，而这些文化的问题反映在这些……新的法律的制定中，这绝对是每个人都承认这些文化实际上并没有融合，而……你所做的只是处理表象，你无法真正纠正潜在的文化问题，因为现在这些人，因为你大量输入他们，他们甚至无法融入，他们生活在自己的贫民窟里，他们中的很多人甚至不学英语，即使他们学英语，他们说话也带着当地贫民窟的口音，所以你不关注西方世界，实际上是在摧毁它，但问题是……在一个民主制度下，西方世界已经开始的那种煽动性言论，嗯，你知道所有这些……甜言蜜语，所有这些浪漫的谈话对选民的影响比获得选票要大得多，然后，然后，真正做一些具体的事情，而在东亚的同质社会中，他们必须坚持为社会创造价值，否则他们很快就会被淘汰，哇，我真的，我认为这可能是一个很好的结束夏安的事情，现在我要发布一个呃链接到你的网站呃在这个视频上，但人们可以通过访问giantbandari.com找到你，这是正确的，是的，我把我写的一切都发布在我的网站上，当然还有Twitter，你除了Twitter之外还有其他社交媒体平台吗？是的，我在LinkedIn和Facebook上，你可以搜索我的名字，在那里查看我的页面，太棒了，我真的希望我能参加下一次资本主义和道德会议，我认识的每个人都参加了，我真的很沮丧，我没有接种疫苗，不能跨越边境，但我明年肯定想参加，非常感谢你，感谢你坚定的信念，我希望当人们观看这段视频时，他们会受到启发，在那天至少做一件勇敢的事情来反击这种行为。凯文，我是西方社会的产物，他们给了我今天的成就，所以我想通过我的观点来回报他们，我认为他们应该纠正哪些方面，谢谢你邀请我参加，谢谢你

Jayant Bhandari On The Impact of Indian Migration On Western Countries

Institute for Sound Public 2023年5月5日

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjYqQj3-QfA

On May 4, 2023, we sat down with Jayant Bhandari, essayist and commentator on politics, culture, economics and philosophy to discuss the prevalence of caste discrimination among Indian migrant communities in the United States and Europe. You can learn about and follow Jayant on the following platforms:

https://jayantbhandari.com/about/

Twitter:  @JayantBhandari5

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America's working class has been cheated that is an assertion that's a Koch brothers proposal uh then the Democrats jumped right on board with the corporatists they got in bed with Wall Street military industrial complex the fossil fuels Silicon Valley and now look what happened to the country we have the bigger biggest income disparity since the Gilded Age bigger than that there's more expanded trade has thrown the working class into much more competition than they experienced before trade with lower wage countries took off can't say is that as a country we have to make a different set of choices because the choices we made have hurt working people Congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street all I know is that first you've got to get mad you've got to say I'm a human being God damn it my life has value hello and welcome to the institute for sound public policy podcast I'm your host Kevin Lynn and I am joined by Giant bhandari and what's great about having Giant on tonight he is going to be the first guest on the newly rebranded Institute for sound public policy podcast and website so welcome Giant uh thanks for having me on uh Kevin and thanks for the honor of having me as your first guest well this is great sowhat I want to do John is first start off with telling our audience a little bit about you and then jump into what we we really want to talk about which is some recent headlines regarding uh cast-based discrimination here in the United States which is something of a novel a novel phenomenon okay so uh it's great to have you here Gian because you are I think really qualified to talk about this because you're a writer on politics economics Society cultural issues you write for the likes of the Liberty magazine The mises Institute here in the United States Canada and India uh you collaborate with Doug Casey on Casey research and his acting man an international Man of all podcasts that I watch uh you've your articles are picked up uh in Zero Hedge Lou Rockwell Frasier Institute Libra Malden economics uh you're a you're a Commodities precious metal person so you write for those journals like Northern minor Mining Journal mining markets and others and uh you're also a contributing Editor to Liberty magazine and more so uh every year uh giant you've you've run a really interesting uh seminar in Vancouver British Columbia called capitalism and morality so without any further Ado giant welcome to the show um thanks for having me on Kevin and thanks for having me as the first uh guest on your podcast you'll be a little lonely up on the new YouTube page and new Twitter feed but uh you'll have a lot of company very soon I am sure well great the reason as we discussed why I'd love to chat with you tonight is uh a bill just passed the assembly in the legislature in California on class-based discrimination and also this year there was a lawsuit by employees at Cisco over what they felt was cast-based discrimination by their supervisors and even though the state opted not to pursue it they're actually uh pursuing their own lawsuit so I thought maybe we'd start things off with Gian with first kind of orienting our audience as to what cast is and then we can get into uh how this phenomena seems to be following these waves of Indian migrations around the world

Jayant Bhandari 

so so Kevin let's go back in history a bit and let me very uh summarize the background here uh when Europeans particularly the British when they arrived in India they saw a society they experienced a society that was barbaric and Savage and a British being systems guys Industrial Revolution was about to start in in the UK because they were systems guy they were trying to create a structure around the arbitrariness chaos savitri and barbarism of India and that was actually a mistake because by creating a system around what was fundamentally chaotic uh was uh conveying going to convey a subliminally a wrong message to the future generation now these people Indians had no concept of their own history they had they they kept not much written record of their own history Indian history was discovered by the British Indian religious scriptures were lost it was the British who discovered those and translations and the text that we have here we are exposed to in the west are really the result of the British Excavating these yes and except for one Indian I know of no Indian who has ever read any of those texts so when Indians talk or glorify about the the the the the Romantic background they have in terms of a spiritual text they're fooling you because they have never read any of those themselves uh but now understand this thing that with this thing what they wanted the British wanted to do was to create a systems and underpinning a structure to convey to other people what they saw in India but they made as I said a huge mistake that they tried to create a system around around chaos so they picked out books again books that they themselves found and translated which helped them give some kind of a structure to what they saw and then they went ahead with defining uh the caste system uh into four or five subgroups uh now uh the the reality is that uh the ground reality even today is very different from those four or five uh caste system groupings uh India has anything depending on who you ask between three thousand to thirty thousand casts and subcasts and if you ask me I would tell you that they are 1.4 billion costs in India because every interaction with an Indian is setting in place a packing order uh which means that every interaction when within with an Indian leads to a conversation in which both of them are trying to judge who is going to be superior in the interaction and who is going to be inferior so the cost system is uh is is a person to person cast system and that's why I say they are 1.4 billion costs in in the country and that is why uh Kevin just to conclude this thing you know person with any sanity it wants to smile at other people in India or help other people in India because if you do that you are in the immediately seen as inferior and belonging to the servant class because only servants are supposed to help you interesting I I you brought you may you made me think of a conversation I literally had two days ago with one of our activists in Texas in Dallas Fort Worth area and he was looking out his window he lives in a larger apartment complex and most of the people there are Indians and he thinks that most are families where someone is out there on an H-1B visa and it was taco night at the rec center and he watched the woman who was the manager she had all these plates of how you know tacos in her hand and she had some bags and she was making her way to the door and there was a couple who were there of Indian descent and they smiled at her and everything but they didn't get the door like he said he's watching from his window and she's like nudging the door open kicking open with her leg and they couldn't be bothered to help and I thought that is so a 180 degrees from the typical response of a Texan who would see that uh transpire very interesting and I could see where this is Way Beyond because you know as as men I have found that if I go to a reception and I'm there it's a let's say a networking function we're all kind of searching for Alpha and who's who's the leader who's the guy and usually someone will pop out the Rolex on the wrist and he's the one that's running a certain company and and as soon as we know that I think subconsciously we all kind of fall behind we're ready to go out on the hunt now uh but this is much deeper than that this is every interaction you're saying it is like this every single interaction and I completely agree with you there's a cloth system everywhere on the planet but the degree of cost and cost system that exists in India is way out of proportion to what you see in the West in the west everyone tries to be equal to the other person in India everyone makes sure he looks different from other person it's a very atomized society and and all social interactions are about setting your place in the pecking order interesting I you know one of the things I wanted to talk to you about tonight uh was uh what happened at Cisco where I mentioned that you have uh you know some employees who were of Indian descent felt that they were being discriminated by other Indian managers there and a while back I was speaking with a manager at a tech company and he uh an american guy and we were talking about the H-1B program at his companies because I said well you know they he said Kev understand we pay our h-1bs who are here in the U.S the same as anyone else they have all the same they make the same money the same benefits but the problem we're having is this tribalism that's building up where uh and the way he laid it out and I'd love to get your thoughts on this because I think it tracks of what you just said he said like they have a farm team they have a company you know you know an outpost in India a company in India an operation there and he said to get to that operation you had to be a hyper aggressive male and then to go from there to the United States you had to be a hyper hyper aggressive male and these people get here and their concern seems to be about the you know the power building the walls making sure that their career survives everything else and uh the problem they're having is people like this who are very tribal versus the rest of the world it seems so I thought that I wanted to you know ask you to opine on that but also uh give your thoughts now on on how you see this caste system emerging in the U.S is it good you know you know obviously it's not good but what are your thoughts uh on on these cases and where should we what what should we be paying particular attention to and what should we be learning from all this so Kevin let me respond to your first comment first I used to work for an Amari company following their Indian portfolio up and uh you know in my position as the as an analyst for that company I could call up the CEO of any company in North America and he would pick up my call but the problem with following the Indian portfolio was that if I called up a company in India the receptionist would ask me my designation and then she would say that I could not talk with the CEO because my designation was not appropriate for the CEO of in the Indian company and then that he she would connect me only with the person with a similar designation in their company so that's again uh telling you about the packing system that exists in that country Now Kevin over the last 13 years I have spent a lot of time in Philadelphia and in San Francisco I have existed in the ecosystem of Haiti people in both the cities and in every Condo building that I have lived in there are of course a lot of Indians and they group themselves not only based on their costs but based on the language they speak and I'm talking about Indians here the religion they have the region they come from so you see all these subgroups Within These so-called educated Indians so responding to your third comment there by bringing in all these immigrants you have brought in the cultural problems of these people now I hear from Americans all the time that they have no problems with legal immigrants the problem is that you are still bringing in a massive cultural Problem by bringing so many people in bulk who are allowed to get wise they are allowed to get wise because you are bringing in so many people that they can always find a person of their own kind and never try to assimilate in the American society and the end result is

that you now as you mentioned a legal process going on in which you want to

create laws against the cost discrimination which is an admission by

absolutely everyone that the cost system is now here in the U.S and you have

brought in the problems of India the question is why did you bring all those

problems to to the U.S yeah and we really didn't need to the

H-1B you know and I'd like to get your thoughts on another thing before we delve into that because to me there's

this line of demarcation and it began it's pre-1990 and post 1990. uh when I

was a kid growing up in the 60s and 70s if there was an Indian or a Filipino or

a doctor from Hong Kong working in my small rural community

they were the best uh there was one doctor in particular who had diagnosed

very early on a spinal column issue with one of my sister's classmates and all

the the American doctors like we would have never caught that that's amazing and so there was if you were here it's

almost as if wow you were the best of the best and then after the Immigration Reform Act of 1990 when we saw the H-1B

visa created that and it just became this pipeline of because over 73 percent

of people that get H1B visas every year are come from one country India and it's

it's been recognized as a pipeline of cheap labor that's basically indentured

labor for their corporate Masters so that's why they're here I mean that's the why but as you're saying there's

some serious ramifications to all this other than the actual displacement of Americans who probably had to train them

to do their jobs yeah so these Indians might be earning the among the highest salary or on

average basis as a community but the problem is that they are still not uh

Western in their way of thinking they bring in their cost system their their

bigotry into the U.S and as a result you have these ghettoized rich educated

Indians in in North America today yeah and there's probably in your

opinion I I because as I look at things I don't see you know where unless the

America the citizenry kind of rise up and demand that immigration be curbed

like we did in 1924 because what people don't most Americans don't fully

understand is between 1924 and 1965 we really had zero net immigration into the

U.S we built the middle class my mother came in 1952 during that period and everyone assimilated very well it was

restrictive and well regulated but when you would mention the 1.4

billion contacts and connections that's 1.4

billion people in India and I was reading something recently where they're

predicting by 2030 there could be 500 million Indians that don't have access

to water so I don't see any curve coming to where what's going to lower uh

immigration to the U.S well I don't know where you get that figure from uh most Indians don't have

access to water Kevin uh it was only when I arrived in the west that I realized that you could get water 24

hours in the tap um even in the best and most urbanized richest part of India you get water for

a couple of hours every day that's the limit of water in the Taps

um the a very very large proportion of the country uh easily much more than

half a billion people have zero access to tap water they have to go to the

sewage kind of canals to get some water so uh yes the country is complete is

still Savage it's still barbaric and there will be huge pressures on the

western system because anyone who understands the world will even vaguely

will try to leave is trying to leave India and move to the U.S there's a massive amount amount of illegal

refugees now entering the U.S from the Mexican border and this will continue to

increase as time goes by because uh just the fact that one out of five or one out

of six people on the planet is an Indian today interesting I'd like to get your

thoughts um I had read uh where some 4.5

million people enter the workforce each year in India then I've also seen where it's 12 million I'm not sure the exact

number and there's a lot of talk and it scares me when I hear

uh bureaucrats in Washington DC talking about hey we're going to limit our

dependence on China and move the manufacturing like Foxpro they're going to move operations to India and I'm

going oh my God haven't we learned anything from covet uh what are your

thoughts on this I mean can you industrialize India can you

build a middle class in India I mean from what you just told me probably not

oh Kevin I have been writing about India for the last 25 years and you can go

back to my articles you can go back to my speeches 10 15 years back which are on YouTube in which I

tell people not to compare India with China they this is a stupid comparison

they are incomparable countries um China is a first world country from

the perception of what India is like and China continues to improve whereas India

continues to degrade so there is absolutely no connection with the two kind between the two countries India

today has uh among the most polluted countries on the planet if you look at

the list of all the polluted countries on the planet most of them are Indian a couple of them are in the Middle East

but that is because there's a lot of sand in the air in some of the Middle Eastern cities

and so I and I go to China quite often Kevin Chinese uh environment has

improved drastically by every passing year now oh really

it's not like when we used to go there 10 years ago you if you're wearing a

white shirt in Shanghai it would be like Yellow by the end of the day well it

might you know there's still pollution in in Shanghai and there's still pollution in a lot of places in China

but compared to what it used to be things have improved very drastically in

China Chinese are becoming civilized China at least industrialized India

managed to pollute itself and Destroy its environment without even industrial

without even starting to industrialize there's no industrialization in in India

virtually everything usable that comes to that country comes from China if you

go and buy a plastic toy it is made in China so now if you think that

manufacturing will ever move to India is is you know this is concocted by people

who have no concept of reality I have been advising Western countries on

investing in India to most of who I say don't bother because most of them eventually end up losing all the money

they invest in that country but but while I say to most people don't bother

to couple of them because of a special situations I advise on investing in

India uh but you always have to remember that Indians are extremely uneducated

extremely unskilled and it is primarily a Savage and barbaric Society where they

are where there's no rule of law and uh the institutions are have been completely hollowed out it's a very

venal set of people who run that country while we're talking about the people

that run the country what are your thoughts on Modi and the cabal around

him well I mean again uh Modi claims that he

was a tea seller in a at a railway station um before he started

started his political career and that tells you that he actually has no experience of uh life in India now I

have nothing against these sellers Kevin but it gives you a certain kind of

qualification and understanding about the country uh Modi uh for example uh

look for any interviews that Modi has given and you will find none

Modi does not give interviews to journalists he does not even address any

any audience and responds to or response to questions of anyone uh

he always gives a pre-prepared monologue to people so that tells you about his

understanding he is there because his party is started this anti-muslim

um uh propaganda and and I have nothing good to say about Muslims Kevin but

because there are two sides of the same coin really and that is very important to remember these are the lower caste

upper caste Muslims Hindus they are all a part of the same coin

um no one none of them is any special there and Modi is using uh Hindu

fanaticism to increase his control over the country uh and that is leading the

country to the exactly the same path that Pakistan started going about 20 years back

interesting and there just doesn't seem to be any way to

pull out because obviously he's you know he's someone who isn't an experienced bureaucrat he he's not familiar with

government per se he just landed in that position and he leads as a demagogue

would uh absolutely there's no way out of that situation and that is why every Indian

who can leave the country leaves the country uh the country is falling apart

and I'm saying this Kevin because despite the fact that if you go on CNN

or if you go to uh the German ambassador or if you go to uh the I'm not talking

about recent Talks by uh Secretary of Commerce the USA they are

extraordinarily euphoric about India they see India as the the place that

will deliver growth to the world and that is that tells me about two things

either these people are completely completely stupid or they are trying to

position India for something against China now remember Uh Kevin that while

uh India and Hinduism might look cute and

all acceptable from the Western perspective they are not your friends because at

underpinning everything to do with India is savagery and barbarism and irrationality and magical thinking it

does not the cogs the there's no there's no uh

synchronization between the two cultures whereas these stations and that includes

China they instinctively want to copy Western base and Chinese have copied

Western ways if you look go to Paris or London you will see a lot of Chinese because they want to copy and paste the

behavioral patterns of Europeans now maybe that is wrong but at least they are trying to understand and copy what

they see as classy right I mean that's where it all started

Japanese started its Hong Kong people started it singaporeans then followed South Koreans followed and now Chinese

are going on steroids with the same thing Chinese East Asia whatever it is

today is a product of the good values that they have accepted adapted and

adopted for their own purposes in South Asians they are hedonistic they

don't have a moral underpinning fabric which means that they really don't they

they seem to be cute in the short term but they contribute nothing to your culture

interesting so where what would you say are the three

for you personally the three most important aspects or

Guides of what a western civilization what what do you think are the most

important aspects of civilization that can't necessarily be copied and could be

in danger with these mass migrations well it's not could be in danger the

Western Society has decided to do harakiri by bringing in a massive amount

of people from the third world and this trend cannot be reversed the problem is

that people from the third world today have more children in many parts of the

western world than the people who are ethnically European have so this trend

is irreversible now uh for most of the Western World unfortunately uh what are

the three points great things about the Western World I wish I could you know

really Define those three things in in uh uh Kevin it is a very subliminal

thing Western Society is the only civilization that ever emerged out of

the animal kingdom and that made human beings human beings distinct from

animals uh there are so many things and I I don't you know many people say

Christianity this was uh destructive to the Western Society maybe Christianity

was destructive maybe it contributed massively to providing a moral fabric to

the Western Society um the the concept of reason that emerged from

Greco-Roman systems the what we call Barbarians from the Germanic tribes who

had the concept of honor and these were warriors and there's a lot of value in

being Warriors there's a there's honor there's Integrity there's a community

spirit in being Warriors so there's a lot of qualities that's just just came

together in the west over a period of two millennia and made the West what it is today now

uh I'm not talking about the economy here you could be actually poor but I'm talking about the the

intellectual spiritual the psychological the emotional growth that

uh that started happening in in Europe which led to economic progress and most

importantly which led to intellectual progress which brought in philosophy that brought in a moral structure of

conduct so this is interesting just to conclude Kevin um you know I can't be sitting with a

leftist American and I'm as right-wing as you can think of a person can be and

I can have a a decent conversation with him he can disagree with each we can

completely disagree with each other but we can still end up shaking hands or at

least stop talking with each other if I have a similar con conversation

even with a right-wing Indian and even if we agree on most points the problem is that he he might start shouting at me

for the minor points of disagreement and this is the so there's just this

subliminal um uh the the foundations are so well

set over those two Millennia that created the youth the European civilization

right it's it's interesting you've got you've triggered so many thoughts in my mind one

right we're saying I'm having trouble boiling it down and this one phrase that comes from the Victorian times came to

me and it was like what the English would say to each other be British

you know what does that mean well it's obviously a lot of things and you know

one's deportment one's you know so many things and then also uh when we look at

uh just recently there was a post on social media and it was some uh

Indian journalists and he was saying how oh my God look at all these tech companies in the U.S and their you know

immigrants were part of some of them and there's this glomming on to of men what

I see among many uh H-1B holders and people that are pushing the H-1B visa

program and bringing in more people from India it's like oh my God they know technology no technology and to me it's

almost like wait a minute it's like someone like they're running a marathon and this guy jumps in on the last two

miles of it and he crosses the finish line and goes I I've just run a marathon it's like wait a minute U.S technology

companies they go back their roots go back to the 1900s The Innovation the

productivity that was going on in the 20s and the 30s that led to the vacuum

tubes and then later after World War II the transistors and then the semiconductors

this was a whole infrastructure that was built out and for people now to take

credit for you know building apps and enhancing the value of a service like

Google and thing I'm just gobsmacked by and it doesn't bode well

because I'd like to get your thoughts on on another uh conversation I had with the director of a technology

manufacturing company and I expected it to get a lot of pushback from because I

kind of cornered them at breakfast to talk about the H-1B visa program and he

goes Kev I agree with you and like really he goes yeah look he goes look

like in Bangalore we have a group over there and if I tell them exactly what to

do they're going to do it really really well but if I go to them with a problem to

solve crickets but here in like a couple I tell someone from the rest of the world

hey this is a problem a couple weeks later they'll come back and hey let's spitball this against the wall and try

to solve this so what he said was we're taking a hit on Innovation you know for

20 years you've been following this this uh efficiency model uh maximize profits

you know lower costs uh you know ring everything out but innovation's been

hurt and also ultimately productivity uh things having to be done over again uh

it's uh so that you know I'd like to get your thoughts on on those uh on what I

just said and again the the implications and ultimately does that lead you to say

look we just simply need to put an end to this kind of migration so so uh two things Kevin as I told you

that I I have advised companies on on India in the past and what I

consistently see is that big Corporation Corporation corporations uh cannot discuss politics what is

considered Politically Incorrect so if someone in their boardroom speaks up and

says hey this is the problem you are bringing into our cooperation by

bringing in certain kind of people what would happen to that person Kevin he would be fired right away he would be

fired right away so what you are left with are politically correct people who do not

want to challenge this continual immigration of people from the third world

and very rarely they bring me on board because uh someone with some conscience

wants me to speak up what the do the do the dirty laundry that they don't want

to do uh and I'm happy to do that um uh for of course a good consulting

fee um uh but uh this is a problem that you know you have

to remember uh how many of those uh uh you know planes that fell off the sky

fell because the software was not um the Boeing 737 Max they outsourced

that to HCL like Korea a Indian consulting firm it was in now now who

has the courage to say publicly that it was because they offloaded the work to

India because that person does not want to look racist while speaking up what are just facts nothing else so you uh

you know as I said I have existed in the ecosystem of it companies for the last

13 years and what I am constantly told by people after a couple of beers is

that the quality of software is sometimes so bad that they have to

rewrite it after a couple of years but the current managers don't care because there they would have moved on to

something else by the time the problems that the software that they are getting made at cheap cost from India those

problems start to surface so you know this is a combination of political correctness short terminism and uh you

know just this uh feel good Factor around corporations now you talked about

uh Indians uh in positions in it in the IT industry now remember most of the

high higher level Indians in big corporations are administrators they are not innovators they are not there

because they innovate but they are there because they they follow what they are

told to follow a lot of Indians in the Bay Area and in

in in other it sectors or um routine desktop a low low level uh

software programmers a lot of who will be replaced by artificial intelligence

um so so that is the the situation and I have seen so many CVS and that are fake

uh everyone creates fake CVS for h1b1 visas this is a trend for cop they are

companies that help you create and this is all and this is an Open Secret everyone knows about it everyone talks

about it but somehow I don't even know why the the government of the United States does nothing about it no it's

rampant I was speaking with someone who did Tech recruiting for the State of California and she said I've seen the

same resume for three different people this week already and that's normal and uh I was taken

through a government a federal government agency and the person taking me through said don't keep your cell

phone in your pocket just walk through with me walk through and in this one

shop it was most all Indians it was all Indians not mostly all Indians and

they're on the phone and I go what are they all goofing off he says no no they're they're on the phone with tech support

back in India because their code writing skills are so bad they're letting those guys take over their machines and write

their code for them uh that's what we're faced with it's uh it's a race to the Bottom now and you

and it's frustrating for me and I'd love to get your advice on someone who is

looking trying to create a Resurgence in U.S among U.S tech workers to get them

back and get them gainfully employed again but it's very difficult in this

environment all the recruiters seem to be from India uh and there seems to be this prioritization of foreigners over

Americans so if you were to give a guy like me some advice our Institute

for sound public policy on strategies to follow do you have anything that you

would you could impart on us so so Kevin I'm currently in Tokyo I am

you know I like to I would like to tell you to look at what East Asia has done

East Asia is doing extremely well Japan is com is is complete Always demeaned by

the mainstream media Japan is one of the best countries on the planet

um look at how massively growth is happening in China uh look at Taiwan and

South Korea the the they don't have uh they managed to benefit from their own

people they have created they have created mostly a homogeneous society 99

of Japanese is Japanese ethnically Japanese and one percent left over is

probably South Korean and Chinese who mix in very quickly with what they have

so uh you know and at any point of time they don't really bring in uh more than

a you know more than a handful of people into their countries so uh you know understand them that there is a value in

being staying homogeneous as because you don't really have the cultural conflicts

that that erupt if you have a heterogeneous society

um why should you have to bring people from outside and if you bring in people from outside make sure as Singapore and

Hong Kong does that they leave the country when the work is over do not give them long-term visas do not give

them your passport and do not give them voting rights for many many generations now from what I have heard in Canada you

can actually vote for look in local election even if you are not a citizen of Canada so we are just going

absolutely crazy and stupid in the western world today yeah compassion has

compassion has metastasized into a kind of cancer compassion and tolerance have

just gone absolutely wild in the western world today yeah perhaps it's a it's a

this overarching decadence uh maybe things just got a little too easy for us

or you know also too there's this there's a grift for instance I lambasted

my local city council a couple weeks ago on what they want to do is they have quarter million dollars of federal

dollars to a volunteer agency that already gets 114 million dollars of of

federal dollars every year to help them resettle more refugees from all over the world in this small City

and they they look upon it as they put them like they're honored to do it and I

just gave them hell but I'm an I'm a I'm now a racist a xenophobe a nationalist

and you know this is the tragedy I I I I I am a firm believer that ultimately

that there's all will always be bad times but if there's social cohesion and

you can trust the person next to you and to your left and to your right you're going to fare much better and that seems

to be what you're saying to me uh yes um absolutely Uh Kevin it's not

just about trust it's it's similarity or values it's uh it's a fact that that you

then don't have what you we just talked about the caste system you don't have the problems new problems like female

infanticide or the age of consent all these problems were not originally best

you know European problems and they have increasingly become European problems because you have brought in cultures

that that that whose problems reflect in these uh

creation of new laws which is an admission by absolutely everyone that these cultures don't actually mix and

all you are doing is dealing with the symptoms you cannot really correct the underlying cultural problems because now

these people because you are importing them in large numbers can't even assimilate they live in their own ghettos they a lot of them don't even learning English and if they learn English they speak with the accent of their local ghetto so you are really destroying the Western World by not paying attention to it but the problem

is that in a democratic system the kind of demagoguery that has started in the Western World um you know all these uh mushy talk all these romantic conversations make a lot

more impact on a voter than it to get votes uh then uh then really doing

something concrete whereas in homogeneous Societies in East Asia they

have to stick to uh creating value for the society otherwise they get thrown out very quickly wow I really and I think that's a probably a great note to wind things down on Cheyenne uh now I'm going to post a uh a link to your your website uh on with this video but people can find you simply by going to giantbandari.com com that's correct yeah and I post everything that I write and write on my website and then of course there's Twitter do you are you on any other social media platforms other than Twitter uh yes I'm on LinkedIn and I'm on Facebook you can search my name and see my page there fantastic well I'm really hoping giant that I can make it to the next capitalism and morality conference it everyone I know who went I again I'm really bummed out I I was unjabbed and couldn't get across the border so but I definitely want to attend next year and thank you so much for you know the courage of your convictions and I'm hoping when people watch this video they'll be inspired to do one at least one Brave act that day in terms of pushing back against this well Kevin I'm a product of the western Society they gave me what I am today so I want to contribute back by giving my views on what I think they should correct course on and thanks for having me on thank you