欧洲学者:为什么我说中国道路才能彻底解决巴以冲突? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTTsHgg3uY&ab_channel= China Content Cente Jan Oberg, China, US is Militarizing Itself to Death, While China Emphasizes Cooperation | Jan Oberg November 28, 2023 转写文稿 so the huge miscalculation of the West is panic decision confrontational policies and then finding out afterwards that oops what we did was counterproductive and self-destructive well it's a general problem with Western perceptions of conflict that you divide them into two parties normally the good guys and the bad guys and then you feel an urge to say we end with this or we don't like them or you focus on a leader on the top whether slon and milosovic or Saddam Hussein or whatever it is if truth is the first victim in a war complexity is the second victim it's hugely complex what goes on in let's say Ukraine Russia NATO relations involving probably 30 countries over 30 years if you take the Palestine uh Israel if that's even the right way to pronounce it or to describe it I would say it involves the whole region of the Middle East it's Iran and Saudi Arabia and all that and the relationships with Europe and United States so the moment you boil it down to say Good Guys bad guys we stand with one you've lost it completely because the moment you take a stand between parties you cannot do anything constructive and that's why it goes so madly wrong we've now had since the UK war in Ukraine has started this saying that this is a Russia ukra ukine thing and Russia has invaded an innocent country and all I mean that has nothing to do with reality intellectually and academically it's lousy this is a much more complex thing namely NATO's expansion which all important leaders promised uh the last president of the Soviet Union m s gorbachov never to do I repeat this because there's aot of lies about it's well documented that gorbachov was promised that if he got a United Germany in NATO if he accepted that East Germany at the time part of the Soviet influence sphere into NATO NATO would not expand the formulation was one inch now that is what NATO countries and the Western world and the US does not want to talk about and therefore they focus on this is Russia who out of the blue unprovoked invaded an innocent Country Now what was happening then was a very quick support basically by everybody who believed in that narrative to close off Russia and say everything is Russia's fault we did nothing wrong it was unprovoked and so you had a black and white and very massive reaction in favor of Ukraine although nobody seems to have known the complexities of Ukraine either the ethnic ing the destruction of the Russian language the Civil War which killed 16,000 people over 8 years after the US orchestrated Kuda in KF that installed the pro Western Government so that was a a a much more simple thing in the minds of people because they were told that that narrative was so simple now if you go to the Middle East the difference is that that is a much older conflict it's probably I mean it's in that since one of the world's oldest conflicts and that's why it's so difficult also to heal it because those who live in this area have never known peace now what is a difference here is that the Western World and particular in the non-west or the rest knows the Palestinian issue and the repression and the aparte that the Palestinians have been uh objects and victims of for so long so people solidarity with the Palestinians because of the overkill the arrogant and the nuclearism of Israel in both cases they did the the leaders of the western world did the capital mistake taking sides say everything is all to Russia and everything is good in Ukraine which none of it is true and pumping in weapons using Ukraine to make Russia weaker and we know why they want to make Russia weaker because when Russia is weaker and gone if they could do it as a threat they can concentrate on China so it's much more complex but both cases they took stand I mean Madame from theion immediately said on October 8th we Europe stands with Israel she should never have said that it means that she is a conflict illiterate person and a person who does not know anything about peacemaking we keep on arming and I don't know how many hundred thousand people have already died in Ukraine because of these stupid policies it's deeply immoral and many of these leaders government leaders are war criminals but they will never be convicted yeah well I think the great surprise for for people in the west particular NATO and the European Union was that they immediately without thinking without doing any analysis of the consequences decided this barrage of sanctions against Russia now Russia has not been suffering from these sanctions but the West Europeans have been and the US decided and that's on public both by Madame Nan and President Biden that we will destroy n stream northstream is history's biggest destruction of infrastructure and has had huge consequences for the economy the gas Import in Europe cheap gas that can cannot get in anymore and that's why seor her's analysis of nordstream is basically censored away in the western world because he's probably right but they found out that contrary to their expectations the rest of the world 85% of human lives under governments which do not support that policy against Russia like China trying to keep neutral but others too saying well it was wrong legally what Russia did but Russia had a reason to do it Russia had said that it would do it because it cannot have a NATO member that close to its border with longrange weapons 2 minutes flight from Moscow now the Americans or the French or the British would never have accepted anything like that if they had had their countries there where Russia is today so the huge miscalculation of the West is panic decision confrontational policies and then finding out afterwards that oops what we did was counterproductive and self-destructive and that's why I don't think that anybody is basically listening anymore to the Western World when it comes to Israel the world knows that this is an asymmetric conflict where the Palestinians are the uh as people innocent victims I'm not talking about Hamas but the people the Palestinian people have been innocent victims for decades and it's time to do something serious about it and I hope I hope that there will be mediation by the UN and by countries outside the West the West cannot be a mediator in a conflict in which it is so heavily involved itself you cannot be a mediator and a participator in a conflict well the long story short is that there's only one organization that can do that main main organization that's the United Nations but the long story short is that the Western world has done it utmost in contrast to China to undermine the United Nations and not follow the normative framework of the charter we know there's a lot of bureaucracy and inefficiency and privilege in the UN but the charter is your Mankind's most important single document it's the only time where the world's governments have signed something that g could have written and that was done because we don't want war ever more now then people say but the UN is not very efficient and they couldn't do this and they couldn't do that that's the wrong way of thinking the United Nations can never be better or stronger than its member states want to make it that was uttered in 1948 by its first Secretary General the Norwegian trick Val and it's still fundamentally the most important thing said about the UN if we don't as member states support it with money clear mandates all the things it needs our best people civilian and Military the UN will be a porn in the game if we don't deliberately avoid to elect forceful Visionary secretaries General and the last one was Kofi Anan if we find it not important to accept something be beyond our own nation states we are doomed and I'm glad to sit here in Shanghai and say China is always very uh strongly emphasizing the importance of the UN and its chter now when it comes to the concrete thing in the Middle East there's a huge mistake made in thinking that this is an Israeli Palestinian thing and can be solved with that and a two-state solution everybody now is back to a two-state solution which we've heard about for more than 20 years now I wonder whether we should not expand it to the Middle East as a whole region and say how can we put together the Middle East in a way that everybody would benefit that it would be a winwin for all Middle Eastern countries Iran Saudi Arabia Syria what have you all these also devastated countries in which a Palestine and an Israel could find a way to live together with a middle eastern occe if you will Organization for security and cooperation in the Middle East a kind of economic uh Community the more and that's the philosophy you have in China with the belt and Road initiative the more we tie countries to each other economically the less likely they are to start killing each other so this idea focus on Israel and Palestine and then either say Let One swallow the other or make a two-state solution I ask myself you make two states next to each other with the hatred that has spilled over decades how do we know that a two-state solution will not end very quickly in a war between those two countries now if you make a kind of security and peace Arrangement out in the for the whole Middle East and maybe tied in with the European Union if it could behave itself a little bit more intelligently and the United Nations a huge permanent presence of the United Nations peacekeepers negotiators civil Affairs and civil police people we need desperately un missions well financed clear mandates best people and if we give that to the UN the UN can help the world solve its problem but it cannot do that with 6% of the world's military expenditures this world is totally crazy with its priorities it's imbalance between militarism weapons weapons weapons and almost no money for the United Nations don't ever complain about the United Nations but look at what your own country does economically politically in terms of legitimacy to make the United Nations a strong organization all the member states that might be more degrees different degrees all the member states are still living in the outdated world of nation states my government is the most important I have National interest no intelligent government leaders today know that they have global common interest not National interest we all have to give something of our own priorities before we can solve Humanity's very important problems together and there's no future if we cannot work together |